Tackle recruiting

[supacane]

L-O-L

U know what makes me crack up on CIS? It’s the bipolar nature of comments like this.

One minute it’s “we need to stack chips.” The next minute it’s “CIS is star whores.” The next minute it’s “UGA & Bama has all the talent.” The next minute it’s “U can’t trust 247 rankings.” The next minute it’s “We don’t have enough talent.” The next minute it’s “These 3-stars are all beast, I trust the coaches evaluations.” The next minute it’s “how can we compete w teams like Duke, when we don’t have enough talent?”

By far, this is what I love about fans; the irrational, change w the wind, nature. No one, lemme not speak for the board, I’m not crapping on any recruit who signs here; what I’m cramping on is the narratives of why blue chips spurn us vs. keeping it .

Yup exactly, just like UGA is doing with their 2 OL commit ranked 646, and 983.

 

[Rellyrell]

Nobody denies our record hurts recruiting. If we lose again, we aren't getting anybody.

But the fact is we had 4 of the Top 10 players in the nation on campus last week. Every top DL in the nation has visited us. They know our record, too. But we can sell them on playing time. And unlike OT, they rotate anyway.

Cristobal and Mirabal didn't forget how to recruit elite OL in one cycle. It's a different approach because it's a different OT class, and we have a different roster than we did last year.

D, I say this respectfully af, the two guys aren’t “thee” reason. A “reason?” Sure, b/c recruits look at depth charts, but when u have an established program, depth charts go to ****, ESPECIALLY when The Transfer Portal is so advantageous when u can’t wait ur turn. All I’m saying my brotha, last season was spooky af & I know fa sho we’re being negatively recruited, hence y I said this season is extremely important for us b/c there’s some bad narratives we need to alleviate, & I’m sure Mario knows this.

We’ll be fine as long as we put on a better product this season, regardless of who’s here.

 

[MgDuBzZ]

Explain the DL traction

 

[grover]

L-O-L

U know what makes me crack up on CIS? It’s the bipolar nature of comments like this.

One minute it’s “we need to stack chips.” The next minute it’s “CIS is star whores.” The next minute it’s “UGA & Bama has all the talent.” The next minute it’s “U can’t trust 247 rankings.” The next minute it’s “We don’t have enough talent.” The next minute it’s “These 3-stars are all beast, I trust the coaches evaluations.” The next minute it’s “how can we compete w teams like Duke, when we don’t have enough talent?”

By far, this is what I love about fans; the irrational, change w the wind, nature. No one, lemme not speak for the board, I’m not crapping on any recruit who signs here; what I’m cramping on is the narratives of why blue chips spurn us vs. keeping it .

My man, all of the above can be true at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive. .... But as you say, win on the field, and most of this drama goes away.

That's why I posted a thread in Eye in The Sky asking how we felt about W/Ls right now. Because to me, this season really counts. I'm not all in on DWins' (or now @Ricaneswag's) opinion that elite recruiters can always land the elite recruits regardless of record. I think some will come, but many will reconsider. So Mario has got to show cause. I'm feeling good we can win 8 games, and I think that's all we need to open the commitment flood gates b/c we really do have elite recruiters.

 

[DMoney]

D, I say this respectfully af, the two guys aren’t “thee” reason. A “reason?” Sure, b/c recruits look at depth charts, but when u have an established program, depth charts go to ****, ESPECIALLY when The Transfer Portal is so advantageous when u can’t wait ur turn. All I’m saying my brotha, last season was spooky af & I know fa sho we’re being negatively recruited, hence y I said this season is extremely important for us b/c there’s some bad narratives we need to alleviate, & I’m sure Mario knows this.

We’ll be fine as long as we put on a better product this season, regardless of who’s here.

We are speaking the same language. Winning is everything. We can land three five star commits by August and they will still bounce if we look anything like last year.

I’m just trying to provide an explanation for the dramatic drop-off in OT recruiting from one year to the next. The drop off is not the same at other positions, and in some cases (DL) we are recruiting way better than last year.

I don’t think these guys forgot how to recruit five star linemen. It’s just a weaker crop, and the few big-time prospects don’t want to wait their turn at an unproven program. Add to it that we aren’t allocating money to OL as @AtlAtty has been saying and you have a lot of developmental kids. The good news is that Mirabal is a good developer and evaluator.

 

[TRick72]

FOLLOW THE MONEY
We are not investing NIL into Oline this year like we did last year. This year it’s Dline. Next year I bet it will be a big time QB
Gibson will eat a big chunk of the budget if we get him.
Its all about the money.

IMO there are no great recruiters. There are lots of good recruiters who mistakenly get labeled as great or terrible depending on much money they have at their disposal. You think Hartline was great before OSU paid for all those receivers?
You think Trob won people over with his personality?

MONEY, MONEY AND MONEY has always run college sports.
You think John Wooden was great? No, he was very good and Sam ______ bought John the players he needed to win.
Duke bought players for Coach K

I can give you a million examples of how good became great or terrible depending on the money behind them.

So there is no mystery to why we aren’t recruting 5 star tackles. We are allocating funds in different places this year.

NIL/Money or lack thereof for the position is the honest answer and I don’t think anyone is pushing back on that. What most people are pushing back on is this narrative that we’re struggling recruiting OL because we signed 2 high ranked guys last year. We heard a similar narrative for multiple years when Shaq and Pink were here. It was lame then it’s lame now.

Especially when we’re seeing the lack of traction on the interior of the OL as well. Those 2 guys have zero effect on that. I think most posters are fine taking a few developmental guys at OT but we need to do better in the interior.

I get that this year is a weak class on the OL but as someone else mentioned there’s a wide gap between landing 5 stars and the few guys we have some traction with in the 1000’s. Still a long way to go so hopefully we get it turned around soon.

 

[RVACane]

Exactly. This narrative floating around is dumb. No other big time schools have trouble stacking the same positions year after year. Down class? sure. Worried about the guys in front of them? Never heard of it before.

Lol… We haven’t been big time in a long while dude. UGA, Bama, Clemson, Ohio State… they’re the big time schools today. UGA and Bama specifically can stack OL. We’re not there…. Yet.

 

[AtlAtty]

NIL/Money or lack thereof for the position is the honest answer and I don’t think anyone is pushing back on that. What most people are pushing back on is this narrative that we’re struggling recruiting OL because we signed 2 high ranked guys last year. We heard a similar narrative for multiple years when Shaq and Pink were here. It was lame then it’s lame now.

Especially when we’re seeing the lack of traction on the interior of the OL as well. Those 2 guys have zero effect on that. I think most posters are fine taking a few developmental guys at OT but we need to do better in the interior.

I get that this year is a weak class on the OL but as someone else mentioned there’s a wide gap between landing 5 stars and the few guys we have some traction with in the 1000’s. Still a long way to go so hopefully we get it turned around soon.

Fair. I am mostly replying to the “Bama stacks chips” crowd who don’t seem to understand that we recruited and bought the best last year and won’t spend that money on Oline this year. I agree we should have some good recruits but its not the chip stacking type.

 

[AtlAtty]

That's far more along the lines of my thinking.

I call it The Coley Theorem.

You have a theorem named after James Coley. . This is classic and good use of the word theorem which does not appear every day on a sports message board.

 

[supacane]

NIL/Money or lack thereof for the position is the honest answer and I don’t think anyone is pushing back on that. What most people are pushing back on is this narrative that we’re struggling recruiting OL because we signed 2 high ranked guys last year. We heard a similar narrative for multiple years when Shaq and Pink were here. It was lame then it’s lame now.

Especially when we’re seeing the lack of traction on the interior of the OL as well. Those 2 guys have zero effect on that. I think most posters are fine taking a few developmental guys at OT but we need to do better in the interior.

I get that this year is a weak class on the OL but as someone else mentioned there’s a wide gap between landing 5 stars and the few guys we have some traction with in the 1000’s. Still a long way to go so hopefully we get it turned around soon.

Yet when peoplw showed yall the class UGA brought in after their elite class and also what Texas brought in after theirs, it tracts exactly like what we are doing. But yall dont care about that. Nope, it only happens to Miami in your minds. To say its not a factor is being willfully ignorant. You cant compare positions where they rotate alot to ones where only injuries cause most players to miss snap. Also UGA has 616 and 863 ranked OTs committed right now

 

[RVACane]

The overall OL group at Miami is filled with major question marks. For some kid to be scared off from this OL I highly question. Hopefully Mario and company continue to bring on talented OL, 4/5 each year as several seem to quality in the ‘bust’ category. And gain solid transfers when necessary like Cohen and Lee.

And whoever said we landed the most talented OL last cycle, no we did not. Plus, three of those OL won’t see the field for another two years.

Wiltfong disagrees with you. He said it was the best class last year on his show yesterday. You can argue top two between us and Bama and I think that’s reasonable. Regardless, the big money is going elsewhere. I still believe that we should be landing interior OL guys and I’m fairly surprised at our inability to land our main center targets two cycles straight.

 

[supacane]

It's wild to me that people here are so absolute and data driven with our program but make excuses for others. UGA's priority was defense? Did the OC and OL coaches stop recruiting OL and start recruiting DL or something?

In fact, in 2022 UGA signed a full 5-man OL class. What they did on defense has absolutely nothing to due with who they got on the OL. It was NOT a light OL class. They just couldn't attract the top guys. Maybe because, oh, I dunno, the roster was stacked and there wasn't a way to see the field soon?

The national rankings for their 5 OL in 2022 were: 45 (IOL), 353, 426, 664, and 784.

And, oh, isn't Miami "prioritizing" DL this cycle?

I realize the same people in here making the same arguments about UGA only taking 5 star OLs. Its just total misinformation. This guy has been banned bit i remember this information just like a provided the ones for Texas. This was a UGA team that played for the title btw. But like i said. Narrative over facts. Every cycle UGA is stacking 5 star OL. Just a outright lie.

@Rellyrell am pretty sure the post i quoted was in reponse to you claiming UGA stacks 5 star OL every cycle. Its simply untrue. But you dont care. You keep saying it

 

[JgDaCane]

Lol… We haven’t been big time in a long while dude. UGA, Bama, Clemson, Ohio State… they’re the big time schools today. UGA and Bama specifically can stack OL. We’re not there…. Yet.

I didn't mean it in that way. I meant as far as oline goes & marios rep. That was poorly said by me.

 

[NorthEastCane]

Exactly. This narrative floating around is dumb. No other big time schools have trouble stacking the same positions year after year. Down class? sure. Worried about the guys in front of them? Never heard of it before.

The difference seems to be, if they're not going to a big time school, they want to start. They'll sit on the bench for a year or two if they get a championship in the meantime.

 

[RVACane]

Interesting; so in the Mega thread we’re a Big Brand in which the B1G & SEC will fight it out over us, but in the recruiting world, we’re not enough of a big time program where our coaches can’t convince kids along The OL to come in and compete?

See here’s my problem w/ conjecture; there’s nothing tangible about it. U hit the nail on the head in ur 6/11 Bank update, one that I’ve echoed well before the ‘24 class rolled around: The honeymoon period is over, the first yr bump is over; now top kids are going to be in wait & see mode after a disastrous 1st yr.

So no, if imma keep it , I don’t think two guys in Mauigoa & Okunlola r scaring off top tackles. There is literally nothing in this room that’s scaring off anyone. Right now, the biggest selling point is we’re at ground zero & NOTHING is set in stone. Right now the biggest selling point is look at the guys I’ve (Mario/Alex) recruited, helped developed & see where they got drafted.

Imo, there’s few times during a recruiting cycle where I’m completely out of the loop, then there’s other times I’m very connected b/c I may have a homie or two who are deemed blue chips, & blue chips tend to know each other directly or via 6 degrees of separation. This happens to be one of these cycles; so while Samson & Francis appear to be the driving force, I can unequivocally tell u & the rest of this board that the 5-7 record & how God awful we were is the biggest elephant in the room, & many (not all) across all positions r waiting & seeing.

To me, to continue to parrot two guys is low hanging fruit vs. the real crux.

I think what you are saying and what D$ is saying each hold truth and aren’t in conflict. We were so bad last year, a lot of kids are skeptical and top talent doesn’t want to sit behind two 5 stars for a program that went 5-7 and hasn’t developed **** on the OL in years. Bama can point to multiple titles and high round draft picks. Aside from that, our NIL isn’t being channeled at OT like it is across the DL.

 

[RVACane]

I didn't mean it in that way. I meant as far as oline goes & marios rep. That was poorly said by me.

Yeah, I saw d$ and your exchange after. I should’ve known better than to respond to a page 1 post on a 5 page thread. Lol

 

[Dwinstitles]

My man, all of the above can be true at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive. .... But as you say, win on the field, and most of this drama goes away.

That's why I posted a thread in Eye in The Sky asking how we felt about W/Ls right now. Because to me, this season really counts. I'm not all in on DWins' (or now @Ricaneswag's) opinion that elite recruiters can always land the elite recruits regardless of record. I think some will come, but many will reconsider. So Mario has got to show cause. I'm feeling good we can win 8 games, and I think that's all we need to open the commitment flood gates b/c we really do have elite recruiters.

Not directed or saying you but they pushed those win and they come goalposts way back since we won five games. It was u can't get an elite class when u don't win and we haules an elite class. Now it's two times in a row so that narrative stays alive. I hope we win 8 but if we do not I'm sure we land an elite class again. I'll go down with that opinion and hopefully we do not have to see it.

 

[JgDaCane]

Yeah, I saw d$ and your exchange after. I should’ve known better than to respond to a page 1 post on a 5 page thread. Lol

Obviously Miami isn't on par with those schools as a whole but Oline coach/HC/NIL wise I believe we are. Now if we were talking wideout etc I'd totally agree on us not being able to stack. That's all lol

 

[RVACane]

Obviously Miami isn't on par with those schools as a whole but Oline coach/HC/NIL wise I believe we are. Now if we were talking wideout etc I'd totally agree on us not being able to stack. That's all lol

I get not stacking at OT right now for multiple reasons already mentioned. My bigger issue is our inability to get our primary center target 2 cycles in a row. I think regardless of OT, center recruiting and guard recruiting are areas we should be able to get higher rated guys and we still might at guard but we’ve totally struck out at center this class and lost Lew last class.

 

[E1k]

I realize the same people in here making the same arguments about UGA only taking 5 star OLs. Its just total misinformation. This guy has been banned bit i remember this information just like a provided the ones for Texas. This was a UGA team that played for the title btw. But like i said. Narrative over facts. Every cycle UGA is stacking 5 star OL. Just a outright lie.

@Rellyrell am pretty sure the post i quoted was in reponse to you claiming UGA stacks 5 star OL every cycle. Its simply untrue. But you dont care. You keep saying it

I think u should look further back at uga classes, i think they have the oline pretty stacked up compared to us having one cycle of getting two top guys guys, and its still june so time will tell if they stack another top guy again. Its a big difference

But again its stupid to compare us to uga, texas i understand tho