Tackle recruiting

[The U is back to work]

Posters who think 5* guys are gonna sit behind 5* guys at a school that just went 5-7 are still delusional I see. Lol. The reason why they do that at Bama, UGA, OSU,etc is because even though they will sit the bench a year or 2 at least they will be winning and maybe get a natty ring while riding the pine. Why the **** would 5* OT Brandon Baker potentially wait behind Samson or Francis for 2-3 years while he witnesses us lose to Middle Tennessee state and barely compete in the Coastal?? (hypothetically).

There’s a difference between 5 stars and developmental players. There are plenty of solid prospects between the best overall talent and UM identifying projects to work on. We took a project last year already in Frankie.

 

[supacane]

There’s a difference between 5 stars and developmental players. There are plenty of solid prospects between the best overall talent and UM identifying projects to work on. We took a project last year already in Frankie.

I dont like using the oh do you know more than a coach thing because alot of them are bums. However, when it comes to developmental OL specifically the HC and associate HC are more than qualified. I guess Texas who got the #1 OL class 2 cycles ago shouldnt have taken a OL ranked 820 last cycle ? After a certain point, grading OL is a krap shoot. It is what it is if man wanna choose that hill to die on they can.

They identified Cooper, who started as a true FR and was one of our best OL #154 OT and #65 in Alabama and Matthew McCoy who by all reports was on course to start in late 2022 and maybe will this season, #86 ranked OT and #121 in the state of FL. Neither player even had a national rank. With all due respect to everyone's opinion, on this topic, u man are out your league.

 

[sedlst11]

Note the bolded words and you, @Page305 and @Rellyrell will have your answer as to why that won't work for Miami in 2023.

We aren't a big-time school. We can't sell championships and multiple first round picks every year. Playing time is central to our sales pitch for these elite kids. That's what we sold to Francis and Samson, along with NIL and an OL head coach. You can only play that card so many times.

You’re always one play away. Why can’t we sell playing time off that and create competition. They can always slide inside and play guard too like leatherwood did freshman year. There’s ways around it.

 

[RedSquare]

I’ve mentioned in the past that Miami is looking at developmental tackles this year. One reason is that Francis and Samson are scaring away recruits that view themselves as Day 1 starters.

The other reason is that there aren’t many sure-thing tackles available. From 247’s National Recruiting Editor:



Mirabal is going to continue to look for high-upside body types and athletes. Aliens like Francis and Samson don’t come along every year, and we were fortunate to strike while the iron was hot.

it's a great point.

from what I've been told, by people who know more about evaluating OL than I do, there isn't a single tackle in this year's class that's better than any of the 4 guys we got in February.

 

[grover]

Anez Cooper and McCoy when he finally gets healthy gives me hope that we'll be fine with OL evaluation and development. Cooper was arguably our best lineman the end of last year. Early reviews regarding McCoy is being a difference maker also.

Not really the purpose of your post. But while I really like Cooper's potential, I gotta respectfully disagree that he was our best lineman at the end of last year. If anything, I think he started to peter out, and I remember him lumbering and missing blocks.... but just going on memory. Kid has reshaped his body, he'll be a good one. But I'd still rather have Rivers kick inside and start him there, with Cooper rotating in.

But back to your real point ... yes, it looks like Mirabal's and Mario's evals are high quality when it comes to OL at least.

 

[grover]

it's a great point.

from what I've been told, by people who know more about evaluating OL than I do, there isn't a single tackle in this year's class that's better than any of the 4 guys we got in February.

Your counting both Tinalau and Kinsler as OTs or OT/OG hybrids?

... Wonder how Tripp is going to turn out. He was an amazing class ambassador, so he's got my vote regardless. But I feel like we let a good one get away in Lew.

 

[JHallCanes]

He’s going to start at some point this year.

I thought he was going to do it, but what I saw this spring out some apprehension on his immediate readiness.

Yeah might be the difference in being at IMG like Mauigoa and Samson competition level. Adjustments and all etc

Once Samson gets in the starting lineup that’s it for a few years he’s just got ability you don’t see from guys his age

 

[RedSquare]

Your counting both Tinalau and Kinsler as OTs or OT/OG hybrids?

... Wonder how Tripp is going to turn out. He was an amazing class ambassador, so he's got my vote regardless. But I feel like we let a good one get away in Lew.

they're tackles that can move inside

 

[JHallCanes]

Your counting both Tinalau and Kinsler as OTs or OT/OG hybrids?

... Wonder how Tripp is going to turn out. He was an amazing class ambassador, so he's got my vote regardless. But I feel like we let a good one get away in Lew.

Tripp is likely to be groomed for center correct? I think that was the plan. Makes sense since there’s no pressure for him to play early

 

[Rellyrell]

Note the bolded words and you, @Page305 and @Rellyrell will have your answer as to why that won't work for Miami in 2023.

We aren't a big-time school. We can't sell championships and multiple first round picks every year. Playing time is central to our sales pitch for these elite kids. That's what we sold to Francis and Samson, along with NIL and an OL head coach. You can only play that card so many times.

Interesting; so in the Mega thread we’re a Big Brand in which the B1G & SEC will fight it out over us, but in the recruiting world, we’re not enough of a big time program where our coaches can’t convince kids along The OL to come in and compete?

See here’s my problem w/ conjecture; there’s nothing tangible about it. U hit the nail on the head in ur 6/11 Bank update, one that I’ve echoed well before the ‘24 class rolled around: The honeymoon period is over, the first yr bump is over; now top kids are going to be in wait & see mode after a disastrous 1st yr.

So no, if imma keep it , I don’t think two guys in Mauigoa & Okunlola r scaring off top tackles. There is literally nothing in this room that’s scaring off anyone. Right now, the biggest selling point is we’re at ground zero & NOTHING is set in stone. Right now the biggest selling point is look at the guys I’ve (Mario/Alex) recruited, helped developed & see where they got drafted.

Imo, there’s few times during a recruiting cycle where I’m completely out of the loop, then there’s other times I’m very connected b/c I may have a homie or two who are deemed blue chips, & blue chips tend to know each other directly or via 6 degrees of separation. This happens to be one of these cycles; so while Samson & Francis appear to be the driving force, I can unequivocally tell u & the rest of this board that the 5-7 record & how God awful we were is the biggest elephant in the room, & many (not all) across all positions r waiting & seeing.

To me, to continue to parrot two guys is low hanging fruit vs. the real crux.

 

[grover]

Note the bolded words and you, @Page305 and @Rellyrell will have your answer as to why that won't work for Miami in 2023.

We aren't a big-time school. We can't sell championships and multiple first round picks every year. Playing time is central to our sales pitch for these elite kids. That's what we sold to Francis and Samson, along with NIL and an OL head coach. You can only play that card so many times.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Seems blatantly obvious to me. In addition, I expect we need to apply the bulk of our NIL on the DL this go around.

 

[cowboycane]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand. Seems blatantly obvious to me. In addition, I expect we need to apply the bulk of our NIL on the DL this go around.

I think there's a massive # of posters on here who use this board as their shrink, that's gotta be the thing. Dealing with the stages of grief about the decline of this football program, and they're stuck in the Denial stage.

 

[grover]

Interesting; so in the Mega thread we’re a Big Brand in which the B1G & SEC will fight it out over us, but in the recruiting world, we’re not enough of a big time program where our coaches can’t convince kids along The OL to come in and compete?

See here’s my problem w/ conjecture; there’s nothing tangible about it. U hit the nail on the head in ur 6/11 Bank update, one that I’ve echoed well before the ‘24 class rolled around: The honeymoon period is over, the first yr bump is over; now top kids are going to be in wait & see mode after a disastrous 1st yr.

So no, if imma keep it , I don’t think two guys in Mauigoa & Okunlola r scaring off top tackles. There is literally nothing in this room that’s scaring off anyone. Right now, the biggest selling point is we’re at ground zero & NOTHING is set in stone. Right now the biggest selling point is look at the guys I’ve (Mario/Alex) recruited, helped developed & see where they got drafted.

Imo, there’s few times during a recruiting cycle where I’m completely out of the loop, then there’s other times I’m very connected b/c I may have a homie or two who are deemed blue chips, & blue chips tend to know each other directly or via 6 degrees of separation. This happens to be one of these cycles; so while Samson & Francis appear to be the driving force, I can unequivocally tell u & the rest of this board that the 5-7 record & how God awful we were is the biggest elephant in the room, & many (not all) across all positions r waiting & seeing.

To me, to continue to parrot two guys is low hanging fruit vs. the real crux.

That too, no doubt. But come on Rell, you're telling me Sisi and Pancake have no impact on selling playing time?

 

[Ispyin]

It's a hard sell to recruits after signing he best offensive line class in the country. But we could definitely use some elite guards and a legit center. Also, in today's transfer portal era, all it takes is Samson or one of these top guys to leave and you're short at the position again. Not likely but you never know. I think Minaya, Ahfua (hopefully), and then another tackle and center prospect is the perfect haul for this year.

Alabama does it all the time. One day I hope we can too

 

[grover]

Alabama does it all the time. One day I hope we can to

Hold the receipts. We'll talk in 3-4 years.

 

[DMoney]

Interesting; so in the Mega thread we’re a Big Brand in which the B1G & SEC will fight it out over us, but in the recruiting world, we’re not enough of a big time program where our coaches can’t convince kids along The OL to come in and compete?

See here’s my problem w/ conjecture; there’s nothing tangible about it. U hit the nail on the head in ur 6/11 Bank update, one that I’ve echoed well before the ‘24 class rolled around: The honeymoon period is over, the first yr bump is over; now top kids are going to be in wait & see mode after a disastrous 1st yr.

So no, if imma keep it , I don’t think two guys in Mauigoa & Okunlola r scaring off top tackles. There is literally nothing in this room that’s scaring off anyone. Right now, the biggest selling point is we’re at ground zero & NOTHING is set in stone. Right now the biggest selling point is look at the guys I’ve (Mario/Alex) recruited, helped developed & see where they got drafted.

Imo, there’s few times during a recruiting cycle where I’m completely out of the loop, then there’s other times I’m very connected b/c I may have a homie or two who are deemed blue chips, & blue chips tend to know each other directly or via 6 degrees of separation. This happens to be one of these cycles; so while Samson & Francis appear to be the driving force, I can unequivocally tell u & the rest of this board that the 5-7 record & how God awful we were is the biggest elephant in the room, & many (not all) across all positions r waiting & seeing.

To me, to continue to parrot two guys is low hanging fruit vs. the real crux.

Nobody denies our record hurts recruiting. If we lose again, we aren't getting anybody.

But the fact is we had 4 of the Top 10 players in the nation on campus last week. Every top DL in the nation has visited us. They know our record, too. But we can sell them on playing time. And unlike OT, they rotate anyway.

Cristobal and Mirabal didn't forget how to recruit elite OL in one cycle. It's a different approach because it's a different OT class, and we have a different roster than we did last year.

 

[JHallCanes]

Interesting; so in the Mega thread we’re a Big Brand in which the B1G & SEC will fight it out over us, but in the recruiting world, we’re not enough of a big time program where our coaches can’t convince kids along The OL to come in and compete?

See here’s my problem w/ conjecture; there’s nothing tangible about it. U hit the nail on the head in ur 6/11 Bank update, one that I’ve echoed well before the ‘24 class rolled around: The honeymoon period is over, the first yr bump is over; now top kids are going to be in wait & see mode after a disastrous 1st yr.

So no, if imma keep it , I don’t think two guys in Mauigoa & Okunlola r scaring off top tackles. There is literally nothing in this room that’s scaring off anyone. Right now, the biggest selling point is we’re at ground zero & NOTHING is set in stone. Right now the biggest selling point is look at the guys I’ve (Mario/Alex) recruited, helped developed & see where they got drafted.

Imo, there’s few times during a recruiting cycle where I’m completely out of the loop, then there’s other times I’m very connected b/c I may have a homie or two who are deemed blue chips, & blue chips tend to know each other directly or via 6 degrees of separation. This happens to be one of these cycles; so while Samson & Francis appear to be the driving force, I can unequivocally tell u & the rest of this board that the 5-7 record & how God awful we were is the biggest elephant in the room, & many (not all) across all positions r waiting & seeing.

To me, to continue to parrot two guys is low hanging fruit vs. the real crux.

Good stuff

Just me as a third party reading both of your posts but I don’t think you’re far off from eachother but maybe it’s because I’ve been reading you both for like 10+ years

No doubt the terrible showing and honeymoon period being over are the drivers here, but to add to it there’s no playing time angle for shoot for either. You get those kids here and there that would rather just play right away than compete

Maybe I missed some of the discussion but I don’t think D is saying that’s the reason I think you’re both saying they complement, or in this case in a bad way, add to the difficulties

But regardless, spot on. It’s the most important season in recent memory for me coming up

 

[Canemang]

For the ones in the back since we have to bring this up again. Btw i posted this in the bank on May 19th.

@JgDaCane

@Canemang

Explain

Who cares what Texas did? Since they failed to bring in back to back great OL classes means Miami can’t?
A&M brought in 3 top 60 OL guys in 2022 followed by 3 top 50 guys in 2023 after a 5-7 season.

 

[gogeta4]

Interesting; so in the Mega thread we’re a Big Brand in which the B1G & SEC will fight it out over us, but in the recruiting world, we’re not enough of a big time program where our coaches can’t convince kids along The OL to come in and compete?

See here’s my problem w/ conjecture; there’s nothing tangible about it. U hit the nail on the head in ur 6/11 Bank update, one that I’ve echoed well before the ‘24 class rolled around: The honeymoon period is over, the first yr bump is over; now top kids are going to be in wait & see mode after a disastrous 1st yr.

So no, if imma keep it , I don’t think two guys in Mauigoa & Okunlola r scaring off top tackles. There is literally nothing in this room that’s scaring off anyone. Right now, the biggest selling point is we’re at ground zero & NOTHING is set in stone. Right now the biggest selling point is look at the guys I’ve (Mario/Alex) recruited, helped developed & see where they got drafted.

Imo, there’s few times during a recruiting cycle where I’m completely out of the loop, then there’s other times I’m very connected b/c I may have a homie or two who are deemed blue chips, & blue chips tend to know each other directly or via 6 degrees of separation. This happens to be one of these cycles; so while Samson & Francis appear to be the driving force, I can unequivocally tell u & the rest of this board that the 5-7 record & how God awful we were is the biggest elephant in the room, & many (not all) across all positions r waiting & seeing.

To me, to continue to parrot two guys is low hanging fruit vs. the real crux.

2 guys arent scaring off much imo. Especially these knuckle head youngsters so im agreeing with all you stated.

The thing is still im not as concerned with OL recruiting with this group....AND...there is always the PORTAL...where they can sell 2 guys similar to how they did this year to get them to the next level.

That being said they been missing on the high high targets is what it is.

 

[supacane]

@DMoney you have explained this multiple times in multiple threads, everyone hear what you saying. If man refuse to understand thats on them. Morever, why are people here acting like the word developmental is such a dirty word? How many of the best OL were exactly that?

I know why, because its gonna hurt our class rank average, we got 2 many 3 stars yada yada. Some of the best players on the roster in 2 to 3 years are gonna be players people are dogging now. But who wants to wait when we need instant gratification to go brag on the lizard fanbase.