Total Defensive Stats Under Randy Shannon

[poncho0091]

Don't you have to normalize the stats based on the caliber of school he was coaching at? What is UVAs and Temples total defensive potential based on the talent they can get?

The results at Miami, however, are a joke. Completley and totally unacceptable. Good news is that their year 4 track record is promising. Perhaps this thing could actually work at Miami with the kids we can recruit. Our defensive potential as a school is as high as anyone else.

No you don't, because the caliber of school they are playing at is offset by the caliber of schools they are playing.

Go look at the UVA scheduele when Golden was DC and then rethink this post. They played 3 top ten teams one year. LOL. Smh

Funny, because UVA wasn't that bad back then. If Golden could've fielded a half decent defense while there, they might have been pretty good. Even worse is he had some talented players there on defense. I'd say nearly as much talent as what we had here under Shannon and when Golden took over. Brooks and Long are likely better than anyone we had here in that time period.

The question is about what is a realistic expectation given the team talent they can attract. One could argue the job he did at UVA was very good considering he was doing it at UVA. A top twenty defense there a good job. It is okay for people to acknowledge that They have done good a couple of times.

A top 20 defense is good, but its an outlier for Golden. That's the problem. When this coach is supposed to be a defensive guru, you expect jumps from 100+ ranked defense to maybe top 70 by the next year and maybe even top 50 the next year. Not start at 45, then fall to the 100's and then jump back to 90's. Good coaches maintain some consistency and good coaches consistently get the best out of their underrated players (See VT, TCU, Boise St). These teams are loaded with 3 star or less players and they do just fine in most years.

 

[HurricaneU]

There's no doubt in my mind that Shannon actually knows the game of football better than Golden/Dorito. He just couldn't speak english/run a program.

Really? I have plenty of doubt for all of them equally.

 

[BigDikCane]

Golden is hard headed and needs to GTFOH and take that big10 trash defense with him.. I kept telling you guys we should've went with Leach for cheap...

LOOK at this bull****...

Golden as DC at UVA

2001 = 97th
2002 = 104th
2003 = 69th
2004 = 19th
2005 = 63rd

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Golden as CEO at Temple with Donofrio as DC

2006 = 120th
2007 = 46th
2008 = 82nd
2009 = 33rd
2010 = 16th

 

[BigDikCane]

Temple fans claimed that their defense got a lot better after Golden left...

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwxIobtab4

Agreed.

21-16 last year.

Totally agree with you scoring only 16 points on Golden's s D last year was pitiful. I think what many are upset with is Golden didnt make a coaching or philosophical change that we know of yet. He just thinks the slightly better personnel will get the job done. Muschamp fired his OC. Now I dont think people should harp on it anymore either until the season starts. It is time to get excited football season is back. We will know soon enough if Golden and Dorito detractors were right.

 

[Cans4life]

There's no doubt in my mind that Shannon actually knows the game of football better than Golden/Dorito. He just couldn't speak english/run a program.

Really? I have plenty of doubt for all of them equally.

I dont think you understood my post. I'm not saying Shannon is some football mastermind, but IMO what little he know's is more than Dorito/Golden.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

What exactly is the point of this thread? Haven't we all pretty much concluded that our defense is a dumpster fire? Moreover, I really don't understand why people still bring Shannon up. He is irrelevant at this point. He had his chance, he sucked, and now he's gone.

 

[The Franchise]

Not even close in talent - cant see anyone from this year (or last year) starting in front of the 2001 class. In fact most would be 3rd string ---- I know that sounds crazy but on the bench in 2001 was Vince W, S Taylor, A Rolle .... I will stop there

It wasnt just that these teams had NFL talent, these guys went on to START in the NFL and many ended up being all Pro. If players on this current team doubled their output do you see any of them being all pro at the next level? Not even close

+1MM. Your hate of Golden is blurring reality and history.

If Randy was really that great of a defensive coordinator he would colleges and even pro teams begging for his services. He may or may not be a good DC, but the reality is what ncn wrote. Those teams had crazy talent.

Randy was promoted to Senior Associate Head Coach which is next to the HC. So we may never see him as DC as his next move will be another HC job

Is it impossible for a Senior Associate Head Coach (very important title that I think our very own beloved coach D'Onofrio has) to also be a DC? I know Arkansas had an opening at DC after last season. It's odd that such an important guy couldn't have slid over to the DC position.

 

[Vanquish9]

Temple fans claimed that their defense got a lot better after Golden left...

Yeah. That 2-10 record really shows that...

 

[UMFarArcher]

WHAT WAS THE POINTS ALLOWED PER GAME
UNDER SHANNON AND GOLDEN

How many first downs allowed under Randy versus F.A.G.?

 

[chicanego]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, I like Golden. But if it meant getting a new DC and Scheme, I would trade him for someone else.

What exactly is it that you like about him, in terms of a coach? He's a great PR guy and the players seem to like him, but for a guy who has risen up the coaching ranks on the defensive side of the ball, his defenses at Miami leave an incredible amount to be desired. The hashtags, Raising Canes, all the marketing is fine, but the on-field results trump all of that, and he hasn't delivered, period.

And even though it has been beaten to death here, expecting Golden to replace D'Onofrio and implement an entirely new defensive scheme is beyond a pipe dream. Does anyone really expect Golden, as the head coach, to abandon his defensive thinking, fire his best friend, and start from scratch? There is no chance that happens, because even Golden would know he's essentially useless if he brings in someone else to run the defense.

As long as he's here, we're stuck with the scheme and D'Onofrio.

 

[cane305]

our coaches have been terrible in the past decade.

forget about the pro bowlers from the 2001 team.

how many NFL coaches came out from that team?

we have been missing coaching talent.

 

[MIA42178]

2001 = 7th
2002 = 7th
2003 = 2nd
2004 = 29th
2005 = 4th
2006 = 7th


Kenny Phillips
Jon Beason
Jerome McDougle
Antrel Rolle
D.J Williams
Jonathan Vilma
Sean Taylor
Ed Reed
Vince Willfork


I KNOW I missed a few but can someone list any worth names from 2007 - present that even come close to these guys?

yes Talent isn't everything I am almost certain with the once in a lifetime type of players we had from 2000-2005 any coach from any team could of just walked in and had a great D year

Randy is at Arkansas right now.. and without that talent he had in Miami..their D is ranked lower then ****

Oh his line of argument again? All these kids were first rounders a high school seniors?

 

[pyhooya]

Oh another informative thread from the Radio disciples claiming how much better coach he was. Go ******* root for Arkansas. I am not a huge Golden fan. Is he the best coach? No. Great defense. N0. Is the program of Miami better after 4 years with Golden than it was with Radio. You are an idiot if you think not. Radio ran this program into a deeper **** hole than Coker did. And he had someone paying players to come here. Sure he didnt know about it. BUT it did happen under his watch. Is the team where we want it at...**** no but its going in the right direction. The talent seems to be getting better, I think most would agree. But stop posting about what Radios defense did. He is gone. He was given a chance and screwed it up. if Radio had such a great defense then why did he not win more games?

 

[supacane]

Oh another informative thread from the Radio disciples claiming how much better coach he was. Go ******* root for Arkansas. I am not a huge Golden fan. Is he the best coach? No. Great defense. N0. Is the program of Miami better after 4 years with Golden than it was with Radio. You are an idiot if you think not. Radio ran this program into a deeper **** hole than Coker did. And he had someone paying players to come here. Sure he didnt know about it. BUT it did happen under his watch. Is the team where we want it at...**** no but its going in the right direction. The talent seems to be getting better, I think most would agree. But stop posting about what Radios defense did. He is gone. He was given a chance and screwed it up. if Radio had such a great defense then why did he not win more games?

And after all that suckage he produced better than Golden and No D. says it all

 

[Crystal Ball]

Why was this thread made? OP knew all this was going to do was start a **** storm. We all know the D sucks, you don't gotta throw a ****load of numbers in front of me to realize it.

This **** is so pointless.

 

[pyhooya]

Oh another informative thread from the Radio disciples claiming how much better coach he was. Go ******* root for Arkansas. I am not a huge Golden fan. Is he the best coach? No. Great defense. N0. Is the program of Miami better after 4 years with Golden than it was with Radio. You are an idiot if you think not. Radio ran this program into a deeper **** hole than Coker did. And he had someone paying players to come here. Sure he didnt know about it. BUT it did happen under his watch. Is the team where we want it at...**** no but its going in the right direction. The talent seems to be getting better, I think most would agree. But stop posting about what Radios defense did. He is gone. He was given a chance and screwed it up. if Radio had such a great defense then why did he not win more games?

And after all that suckage he produced better than Golden and No D. says it all

he produced himself right out of a job....Glad you admitted he did suck

 

[supacane]

Oh another informative thread from the Radio disciples claiming how much better coach he was. Go ******* root for Arkansas. I am not a huge Golden fan. Is he the best coach? No. Great defense. N0. Is the program of Miami better after 4 years with Golden than it was with Radio. You are an idiot if you think not. Radio ran this program into a deeper **** hole than Coker did. And he had someone paying players to come here. Sure he didnt know about it. BUT it did happen under his watch. Is the team where we want it at...**** no but its going in the right direction. The talent seems to be getting better, I think most would agree. But stop posting about what Radios defense did. He is gone. He was given a chance and screwed it up. if Radio had such a great defense then why did he not win more games?

And after all that suckage he produced better than Golden and No D. says it all

he produced himself right out of a job....Glad you admitted he did suck

Ray Charles saw that he suck, Ray Charles and Stevie see that No D is trash.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Why are we turning this into a Randy vs Golden argument.Let's just focus on Goldens defenses at 3 diferent schools now and the results have been the same.Awful his first 3-4 years.really as bad as it can get 60s,90s and even 120s,wow. Then once he has experience he has coached 2 top 20 defenses,this is what we hope happens here soon.

How is improving Temple and UVA into top 25 defenses awful?

If you don't know how to interpret stats then steer clear of them.

He's only did it once!

Golden has only fielded two defenses in his career as DC or HC ranked better than 30th in the country.

Given that Temple was one of the worst programs if not the worst when he took it over and it was a blow it up rebuild job what would have expected? For him to start with a Top 30 defense his 1st year with improvements into a top 10 defense by his 2nd and 3rd. AT TEMPLE?
What we have here is that a lot guys on this site lack perspective on things. That's why I don't take you guys seriosly..
Yeah lets bash Golden cause he only fielded a top 20 defense once while at Temple. Oh the horror.. GTFOH

 

[poncho0091]

Oh another informative thread from the Radio disciples claiming how much better coach he was. Go ******* root for Arkansas. I am not a huge Golden fan. Is he the best coach? No. Great defense. N0. Is the program of Miami better after 4 years with Golden than it was with Radio. You are an idiot if you think not. Radio ran this program into a deeper **** hole than Coker did. And he had someone paying players to come here. Sure he didnt know about it. BUT it did happen under his watch. Is the team where we want it at...**** no but its going in the right direction. The talent seems to be getting better, I think most would agree. But stop posting about what Radios defense did. He is gone. He was given a chance and screwed it up. if Radio had such a great defense then why did he not win more games?

He failed because his offense was a turnover machine. He made poor coaching hires in Nix and Whipple (although I'm not sure if the issue was Whipple moreso than Harris at the time). Those who continuously try to put the blame on our offense for our bad defense should understand that a bad offense does hurt the defense. Under Shannon, with that bad offense, we still had solid defensive numbers. The ppg issue probably has a lot more to do with our turnovers than it does our defense.