Total Defensive Stats Under Randy Shannon

[HurricaneU]

These are fairly meaningless statistics. They are just numbers and porsters will read into what they wish.

 

[SpikeUM]

Not even close in talent - cant see anyone from this year (or last year) starting in front of the 2001 class. In fact most would be 3rd string ---- I know that sounds crazy but on the bench in 2001 was Vince W, S Taylor, A Rolle .... I will stop there

It wasnt just that these teams had NFL talent, these guys went on to START in the NFL and many ended up being all Pro. If players on this current team doubled their output do you see any of them being all pro at the next level? Not even close

+1MM. Your hate of Golden is blurring reality and history.

If Randy was really that great of a defensive coordinator he would colleges and even pro teams begging for his services. He may or may not be a good DC, but the reality is what ncn wrote. Those teams had crazy talent.

 

[AsylumGodfather]

Sigh........

 

[pb5cane]

Victory is credited to the General more so than the troops. If a General is unable to clearly communicate orders or train troops to properly execute them, fault lies with the General.

 

[Supercane85]

Not even close in talent - cant see anyone from this year (or last year) starting in front of the 2001 class. In fact most would be 3rd string ---- I know that sounds crazy but on the bench in 2001 was Vince W, S Taylor, A Rolle .... I will stop there

It wasnt just that these teams had NFL talent, these guys went on to START in the NFL and many ended up being all Pro. If players on this current team doubled their output do you see any of them being all pro at the next level? Not even close

+1MM. Your hate of Golden is blurring reality and history.

If Randy was really that great of a defensive coordinator he would colleges and even pro teams begging for his services. He may or may not be a good DC, but the reality is what ncn wrote. Those teams had crazy talent.

Randy was promoted to Senior Associate Head Coach which is next to the HC. So we may never see him as DC as his next move will be another HC job

 

[skyman]

Miami should never be out of the top 25 defenses.

This USED to be the standard. Heck as much grief as we give shannon even he tried to hold up that standard by sh*tcanning Walton after a 35th ranked D. If we did that this year we would actually have guys come here chest puffed out touting Dorito/Golden as some defensive geniuses because they have lowered the bar soo **** low. Dam Shame

 

[Odin]

Why are we turning this into a Randy vs Golden argument.Let's just focus on Goldens defenses at 3 diferent schools now and the results have been the same.Awful his first 3-4 years.really as bad as it can get 60s,90s and even 120s,wow. Then once he has experience he has coached 2 top 20 defenses,this is what we hope happens here soon.

How is improving Temple and UVA into top 25 defenses awful?

If you don't know how to interpret stats then steer clear of them.

Come on man you know what I wrote.His first 3 to 4 years his defenses at Temple,Virginia and miami were amongst the very worst in all of college football.In the 80s,90,s and even 100s.Awful as awful as it gets.He improved them by his 4th to 5th years there and that is where he is here now.Can he do the same here,we'll soon find out.

 

[Miami82]

These are fairly meaningless statistics. They are just numbers and porsters will read into what they wish.

Interpretation: These stats don't support my narrative, therefore they are meaningless.

 

[Da_U_85]

All you need to know is these same posters who take up for golden at every turn weren't even happy with a top 35 defense when Shannon was head coach here.

 

[nycane]

golden took over a temple program that was thrown out of the big east and almost disbanded. his last two years they did well. He made a basketball player in muhammed wilkerson a pro bowl caliber guy. also out knighton and jaquan jarred in NFL. that is a miracle what they did at temple.

 

[BigDaddyCane305]

Some of you can say what you want. The numbers NEVER LIE. We need to stop defending Golden. Is he a great coach? Who knows, too early to tell (too late for some). Is he a great recruiter? Yes . I think that's all we know about Golden and our DC for the time being. RS was a poor HC but a great DC.

 

[HurricaneU]

These are fairly meaningless statistics. They are just numbers and porsters will read into what they wish.

Interpretation: These stats don't support my narrative, therefore they are meaningless.

Poor effort Miami82.

My sig should make my stance fairly obvious. But these are just numbers put next to each other. They have no baseline nor do they account for rather obvious variables.

This isn't a regression analysis. It isn't a predictive algorithm.

A more compelling analysis would look at ranked opponents, opponents offensive production, time of possession , etc.

I don't need a non-random sampling of two different programs, multiples of years apart by two different coaches to know our defense sucks.

Do you?

 

[Odin]

golden took over a temple program that was thrown out of the big east and almost disbanded. his last two years they did well. He made a basketball player in muhammed wilkerson a pro bowl caliber guy. also out knighton and jaquan jarred in NFL. that is a miracle what they did at temple.

He also had some advantages from the rest of the teams in that conference.He had a much larger recruiting budget and he could get anyone in academically who would not qualify for most if not all of the other teams in that conference.

 

[blackvern]

Miami82 kickin knowledge in here

 

[Consigliere]

These are fairly meaningless statistics. They are just numbers and porsters will read into what they wish.

Interpretation: These stats don't support my narrative, therefore they are meaningless.

Translation?

 

[nycane]

golden took over a temple program that was thrown out of the big east and almost disbanded. his last two years they did well. He made a basketball player in muhammed wilkerson a pro bowl caliber guy. also out knighton and jaquan jarred in NFL. that is a miracle what they did at temple.

He also had some advantages from the rest of the teams in that conference.He had a much larger recruiting budget and he could get anyone in academically who would not qualify for most if not all of the other teams in that conference.

u have no advantages coaching at temple. the school is located in the ghetto. No one goes there if they have options. We have to based him on what he does at miami. temple isn't fair.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Not even close in talent - cant see anyone from this year (or last year) starting in front of the 2001 class. In fact most would be 3rd string ---- I know that sounds crazy but on the bench in 2001 was Vince W, S Taylor, A Rolle .... I will stop there

It wasnt just that these teams had NFL talent, these guys went on to START in the NFL and many ended up being all Pro. If players on this current team doubled their output do you see any of them being all pro at the next level? Not even close

+1MM. Your hate of Golden is blurring reality and history.

If Randy was really that great of a defensive coordinator he would colleges and even pro teams begging for his services. He may or may not be a good DC, but the reality is what ncn wrote. Those teams had crazy talent.

Randy was promoted to Senior Associate Head Coach which is next to the HC. So we may never see him as DC as his next move will be another HC job

Ooooookay. That's why he only makes $400k after the "promotion"- $100k less than their actual DC. Alex Collins' signing bonus alone was more than Corch's salary.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2014/randy-shannon-salary/

 

[eliteproxy]

2001 = 7th
2002 = 7th
2003 = 2nd
2004 = 29th
2005 = 4th
2006 = 7th


Kenny Phillips
Jon Beason
Jerome McDougle
Antrel Rolle
D.J Williams
Jonathan Vilma
Sean Taylor
Ed Reed
Vince Willfork


I KNOW I missed a few but can someone list any worth names from 2007 - present that even come close to these guys?

yes Talent isn't everything I am almost certain with the once in a lifetime type of players we had from 2000-2005 any coach from any team could of just walked in and had a great D year

Randy is at Arkansas right now.. and without that talent he had in Miami..their D is ranked lower then ****

 

[FullyERicht]

Some of you can say what you want. The numbers NEVER LIE. We need to stop defending Golden. Is he a great coach? Who knows, too early to tell (too late for some). Is he a great recruiter? Yes . I think that's all we know about Golden and our DC for the time being. RS was a poor HC but a great DC.

This sums up my opinion of this thread perfectly.

Randy was a wretched HC but from 2001-2006 was one of the best DCs in football. Neither of those opinions is really debate able.

 

[Miami82]

These are fairly meaningless statistics. They are just numbers and porsters will read into what they wish.

Interpretation: These stats don't support my narrative, therefore they are meaningless.

Poor effort Miami82.

My sig should make my stance fairly obvious. But these are just numbers put next to each other. They have no baseline nor do they account for rather obvious variables.

This isn't a regression analysis. It isn't a predictive algorithm.

A more compelling analysis would look at ranked opponents, opponents offensive production, time of possession , etc.

I don't need a non-random sampling of two different programs, multiples of years apart by two different coaches to know our defense sucks.

Do you?

I have sigs turned off, so no help there.

You don't need to dig that deep to see what is blatantly obvious on what the numbers show. With Golden it is really easy to see the trend.
If you need to place those numbers into jump go for it. I don't even need to pull the obvious variable of SOS. We have had a fairly average SOS over the last 8-10 seasons. So no help there.

BTW, I called the D garbage from the 1st game of Golden's tenure. Anyone paying attention to college football knew we were ****ed.