Total Defensive Stats Under Randy Shannon

[Dingaan1828]

Some of you can say what you want. The numbers NEVER LIE. We need to stop defending Golden. Is he a great coach? Who knows, too early to tell (too late for some). Is he a great recruiter? Yes . I think that's all we know about Golden and our DC for the time being. RS was a poor HC but a great DC.

This sums up my opinion of this thread perfectly.

Randy was a wretched HC but from 2001-2006 was one of the best DCs in football. Neither of those opinions is really debate able.

Which is why he can't get a DC gig?

 

[Miami82]

2001 = 7th
2002 = 7th
2003 = 2nd
2004 = 29th
2005 = 4th
2006 = 7th


Kenny Phillips
Jon Beason
Jerome McDougle
Antrel Rolle
D.J Williams
Jonathan Vilma
Sean Taylor
Ed Reed
Vince Willfork


I KNOW I missed a few but can someone list any worth names from 2007 - present that even come close to these guys?

yes Talent isn't everything I am almost certain with the once in a lifetime type of players we had from 2000-2005 any coach from any team could of just walked in and had a great D year

Randy is at Arkansas right now.. and without that talent he had in Miami..their D is ranked lower then ****

No one is saying that we should have a top 10 d, what we are saying is the U should never be in the bottom quartile of CFB.

 

[BigDaddyCane305]

The reason why RS can't get a DC gig is because he **** the bed so badly as HC no one will hire him. He also has the reputation of be very abrasive and a bit if an *******.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Some of you can say what you want. The numbers NEVER LIE. We need to stop defending Golden. Is he a great coach? Who knows, too early to tell (too late for some). Is he a great recruiter? Yes . I think that's all we know about Golden and our DC for the time being. RS was a poor HC but a great DC.

This sums up my opinion of this thread perfectly.

Randy was a wretched HC but from 2001-2006 was one of the best DCs in football. Neither of those opinions is really debate able.

Which is why he can't get a DC gig?

The Corch defenders will justify it forever but Candy sitting on his a$$ and turning down jobs in favor of continuing to receive the buyout money has hurt him careerwise. That and he probably doesn't interview well although one would wonder about the level of command of the English language required when sitting down with anyone in the $EC.

 

[Ghandi]

Why are we turning this into a Randy vs Golden argument.Let's just focus on Goldens defenses at 3 diferent schools now and the results have been the same.Awful his first 3-4 years.really as bad as it can get 60s,90s and even 120s,wow. Then once he has experience he has coached 2 top 20 defenses,this is what we hope happens here soon.

How is improving Temple and UVA into top 25 defenses awful?

If you don't know how to interpret stats then steer clear of them.

He's only did it once!

 

[RiDLer80]

Why are we turning this into a Randy vs Golden argument.Let's just focus on Goldens defenses at 3 diferent schools now and the results have been the same.Awful his first 3-4 years.really as bad as it can get 60s,90s and even 120s,wow. Then once he has experience he has coached 2 top 20 defenses,this is what we hope happens here soon.

How is improving Temple and UVA into top 25 defenses awful?

If you don't know how to interpret stats then steer clear of them.

He's only did it once!

Golden has only fielded two defenses in his career as DC or HC ranked better than 30th in the country.

 

[HurricaneU]

These are fairly meaningless statistics. They are just numbers and porsters will read into what they wish.

Interpretation: These stats don't support my narrative, therefore they are meaningless.

Poor effort Miami82.

My sig should make my stance fairly obvious. But these are just numbers put next to each other. They have no baseline nor do they account for rather obvious variables.

This isn't a regression analysis. It isn't a predictive algorithm.

A more compelling analysis would look at ranked opponents, opponents offensive production, time of possession , etc.

I don't need a non-random sampling of two different programs, multiples of years apart by two different coaches to know our defense sucks.

Do you?

I have sigs turned off, so no help there.

You don't need to dig that deep to see what is blatantly obvious on what the numbers show. With Golden it is really easy to see the trend.
If you need to place those numbers into jump go for it. I don't even need to pull the obvious variable of SOS. We have had a fairly average SOS over the last 8-10 seasons. So no help there.

BTW, I called the D garbage from the 1st game of Golden's tenure. Anyone paying attention to college football knew we were ****ed.

Sounds like you agree with my original statement that these numbers alone are fairly meaningless and people will make of them what they will. Its called confirmation bias. Data is supposed to help mitigate these human cognitive idiosyncrasies but metrics alone, without context and analysis are just numbers.

Sorry you presumed to know my position by restating yours.

Its all good. Just want the season to start.

 

[poncho0091]

Don't you have to normalize the stats based on the caliber of school he was coaching at? What is UVAs and Temples total defensive potential based on the talent they can get?

The results at Miami, however, are a joke. Completley and totally unacceptable. Good news is that their year 4 track record is promising. Perhaps this thing could actually work at Miami with the kids we can recruit. Our defensive potential as a school is as high as anyone else.

No you don't, because the caliber of school they are playing at is offset by the caliber of schools they are playing.

 

[NVA CANE]

Golden had a **** load of talent to work with at UVA, talent he helped recruit. So the defensive performances at UVA are embarrassing as well.

 

[mydas77]

Don't you have to normalize the stats based on the caliber of school he was coaching at? What is UVAs and Temples total defensive potential based on the talent they can get?

The results at Miami, however, are a joke. Completley and totally unacceptable. Good news is that their year 4 track record is promising. Perhaps this thing could actually work at Miami with the kids we can recruit. Our defensive potential as a school is as high as anyone else.

No you don't, because the caliber of school they are playing at is offset by the caliber of schools they are playing.

Go look at the UVA scheduele when Golden was DC and then rethink this post. They played 3 top ten teams one year. LOL. Smh

 

[NVA CANE]

So in 2010 under Shannon the defense was ranked 22nd.

In 2011 with most of the same players Shannon had the year before golden gets a 46th defensive ranking.

Lulz at golden

 

[BigPoppaCane]

PPG SCORED / ALLOWED IS A BETTER METRIC FOR WINS AND LOSSES

 

[Futbolfreak11]

what was shannons record as a head coach...?

 

[Notsince1985]

Shannon was a good DC and a really bad HC. Golden was ok as a DC, and is ok HC, though his defenses suck. Other than that, what's the point of this thread?

 

[poncho0091]

Don't you have to normalize the stats based on the caliber of school he was coaching at? What is UVAs and Temples total defensive potential based on the talent they can get?

The results at Miami, however, are a joke. Completley and totally unacceptable. Good news is that their year 4 track record is promising. Perhaps this thing could actually work at Miami with the kids we can recruit. Our defensive potential as a school is as high as anyone else.

No you don't, because the caliber of school they are playing at is offset by the caliber of schools they are playing.

Go look at the UVA scheduele when Golden was DC and then rethink this post. They played 3 top ten teams one year. LOL. Smh

Funny, because UVA wasn't that bad back then. If Golden could've fielded a half decent defense while there, they might have been pretty good. Even worse is he had some talented players there on defense. I'd say nearly as much talent as what we had here under Shannon and when Golden took over. Brooks and Long are likely better than anyone we had here in that time period.

 

[NVA CANE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIwxIobtab4

Agreed.

21-16 last year.

29-26 all-time.

And of course, 5-3.

****. D$ just went for the jugular

 

[Ghandi]

Why are we turning this into a Randy vs Golden argument.Let's just focus on Goldens defenses at 3 diferent schools now and the results have been the same.Awful his first 3-4 years.really as bad as it can get 60s,90s and even 120s,wow. Then once he has experience he has coached 2 top 20 defenses,this is what we hope happens here soon.

How is improving Temple and UVA into top 25 defenses awful?

If you don't know how to interpret stats then steer clear of them.

He's only did it once!

Golden has only fielded two defenses in his career as DC or HC ranked better than 30th in the country.

Thanks for the correction, sir.

 

[Cans4life]

There's no doubt in my mind that Shannon actually knows the game of football better than Golden/Dorito. He just couldn't speak english/run a program.

 

[mydas77]

Don't you have to normalize the stats based on the caliber of school he was coaching at? What is UVAs and Temples total defensive potential based on the talent they can get?

The results at Miami, however, are a joke. Completley and totally unacceptable. Good news is that their year 4 track record is promising. Perhaps this thing could actually work at Miami with the kids we can recruit. Our defensive potential as a school is as high as anyone else.

No you don't, because the caliber of school they are playing at is offset by the caliber of schools they are playing.

Go look at the UVA scheduele when Golden was DC and then rethink this post. They played 3 top ten teams one year. LOL. Smh

Funny, because UVA wasn't that bad back then. If Golden could've fielded a half decent defense while there, they might have been pretty good. Even worse is he had some talented players there on defense. I'd say nearly as much talent as what we had here under Shannon and when Golden took over. Brooks and Long are likely better than anyone we had here in that time period.

The question is about what is a realistic expectation given the team talent they can attract. One could argue the job he did at UVA was very good considering he was doing it at UVA. A top twenty defense there a good job. It is okay for people to acknowledge that They have done good a couple of times.

 

[poncho0091]

There's no doubt in my mind that Shannon actually knows the game of football better than Golden/Dorito. He just couldn't speak english/run a program.

My biggest concern with Golden/Dnofrio as far as gameday goes is not that they don't have knowledge of the game. I believe they have a great understanding of the theory behind the playcalling. My concern is that taking theory, applying it properly, and being able to adapt on the fly is not their strength. If you can't properly apply the theory or adapt quickly, then knowing all that theory is useless.