The Truth about the Defense - For those who say it's talent

[rok]

No agenda on my part. I just don't see this defense being as successful as it needs to be. Better, more experienced talent will help, but the flaws have remained the same for three seasons.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Ok, well, I will wait until Al and co have another 3-5 years of recruiting and developing ONLY their guys. I sure hope we don't have more of the Wakes, UVA's and UNC caliber teams on our schedule this year, or next, or the year after. The future looks bright.

 

[Canesfan1899]

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[OBLIVION]

Miami gave up 413 yards to Florida.

Florida's offense was on the field for 38:20

Miami's offense was on the field for 21:40

Just like FSU, Miami's defense was on the field for 2/3 of the game while the offense was on the bench.

How did UM's offense do at converting 3rd downs against uf.ag and fsu?

Against FSU, Miami's offense was **** near 50% until the game was already over in the 4th.

They had a real good game converting.... the defense was the issue.

against Florida, Miami was terrible, but the game plan changed.

Only zone3troll comes up with this ****.

Miami converted about 40% in the 1st half, and didn't convert a 3rd down until the final seconds were running off in the 4th, but the offense was converting 50%

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

VT has a great D with a bunch of 3 star recruits so they are not "catalog shoppers". VT offense is awful yet somehow their Defense can gets 3 and outs. Yet our ****ty can't keep Wake, GT or UNC off the field. There is always an excuse the TE is a 1st rounder, Wakes WR is really good, GT offense is really confusing and stuff.


LoL at giving Coach Golden and D another 4 years to rebuild.

LOL. Youre right Dawg. We should save time and fire them RIGHT NOW, we can hire Nick Saban or Jon Gruden. Cant believe no one figured this out til now.

Where did I say fire him now? I said lol at giving him another 4 years to to rebuild aka compete for National title. FSU would be on 10-14 game win streak against us by then.

 

[L A M P]

It's entirely possible that some of the more elite DT's don't like the scheme, and don't want to play for D'Onofrio. Time will tell, but one I'm just curious that if you're a five-star DT prospect, and you want to excel at your position, but you don't want to fool around with this head-on, read and react BS, if you'll not want to play where you can make the most of your talents.

Once we start winning at the highest level, recruiting will take care of itself. You call "read & react" (gap control) defense BS.. I guess the entire NFL is BS then. Give Miami a few sustained seasons in the Top 10 & see if these recruits are still hesitant to come.. (Spoiler alert: They won't be) In fact, this gap control "BS" will be used as a selling point for getting to the NFL.

 

[rok]

Golden's record through 32 games: 20-12

Randy's record through 32 games: 17-15

How much longer until we can expect to start seeing a big difference on the field?

 

[zone3cane]

Miami gave up 413 yards to Florida.

Florida's offense was on the field for 38:20

Miami's offense was on the field for 21:40

Just like FSU, Miami's defense was on the field for 2/3 of the game while the offense was on the bench.

How did UM's offense do at converting 3rd downs against uf.ag and fsu?

Against FSU, Miami's offense was **** near 50% until the game was already over in the 4th.

They had a real good game converting.... the defense was the issue.

against Florida, Miami was terrible, but the game plan changed.

Only zone3troll comes up with this ****.

Miami converted about 40% in the 1st half, and didn't convert a 3rd down until the final seconds were running off in the 4th, but the offense was converting 50%

Miami converted 50% in the 1st half no abouts do the math.... 3rd down plus the 1 4th down conversion = 4 for 8. 50%

The 2nd half, 1st drive stalled and Miami gets blown out, simple as that. The rest of the failed conversions came in the middle of a blowout. 35-14 in the 3rd quarter. The defense didnt do their jobs so the offense ran out of gas.

Only an idiot "troll" like you would think that if UM's defense was going hard that the offense wouldnt have continued to do the same..... by the time Miami got it's 3rd possesion of the 3rd quarter the score was already 35-14. GTFOH.

 

[Jassid82]

Lord help this board if we lose to Va Tech. Smh.

 

[nystateofmind]

Lord help this board if we lose to Va Tech. Smh.

Meltdowns will commence.

 

[DAU4life]

Dudes Golden took ova a dumpster fire, this team was an absolute joke. He has us on the upswing, is Jimbo Fisher or Pruitt a genius? Hellz no they just have more a crap load of 5 star recruits. If we had all americans on defense or high nfl draft picks then you can blame golden, but there are none..

 

[OBLIVION]

Miami gave up 413 yards to Florida.

Florida's offense was on the field for 38:20

Miami's offense was on the field for 21:40

Just like FSU, Miami's defense was on the field for 2/3 of the game while the offense was on the bench.

How did UM's offense do at converting 3rd downs against uf.ag and fsu?

Against FSU, Miami's offense was **** near 50% until the game was already over in the 4th.

They had a real good game converting.... the defense was the issue.

against Florida, Miami was terrible, but the game plan changed.

Only zone3troll comes up with this ****.

Miami converted about 40% in the 1st half, and didn't convert a 3rd down until the final seconds were running off in the 4th, but the offense was converting 50%

Miami converted 50% in the 1st half no abouts do the math.... 3rd down plus the 1 4th down conversion = 4 for 8. 50%

The 2nd half, 1st drive stalled and Miami gets blown out, simple as that. The rest of the failed conversions came in the middle of a blowout. 35-14 in the 3rd quarter. The defense didnt do their jobs so the offense ran out of gas.

Only an idiot "troll" like you would think that if UM's defense was going hard that the offense wouldnt have continued to do the same..... by the time Miami got it's 3rd possesion of the 3rd quarter the score was already 35-14. GTFOH.

The defense didn't do it's job so the offense ran out of gas spending the entire 2nd half on the bench.......Only you would come up with this dumb ****. I believe in the real football world. If the offense doesn't do it's job. The defense gets gassed for being on the field all game.

If SteMoron didn't throw that pass so high to Waters on that 1st drive. There would have been 6 points there. Then on the sack, it isn't all on Wheeler to notice that DB was coming in the blitz. It is Morris job to also read that, and to adjust with a quick throw. He had 2 WR uncovered to his right off the line. need 8 yards for a 1st.

Even still the game was not over then like you say. It could have easliy been 28 to 35 going into the 4th. I too can use 4th downs along with 3rd downs to make a point. 1 of 5 on 3rd downs, and 0 of 2 on 4th down in the 2nd half=****%

 

[rok]

Dudes Golden took ova a dumpster fire, this team was an absolute joke. He has us on the upswing, is Jimbo Fisher or Pruitt a genius? Hellz no they just have more a crap load of 5 star recruits. If we had all americans on defense or high nfl draft picks then you can blame golden, but there are none..

We've established that.

What needs to change is the bend but then shatter defensive philosophy which hasn't worked out too well against good teams.

 

[zone3cane]

How did UM's offense do at converting 3rd downs against uf.ag and fsu?

Against FSU, Miami's offense was **** near 50% until the game was already over in the 4th.

They had a real good game converting.... the defense was the issue.

against Florida, Miami was terrible, but the game plan changed.

Only zone3troll comes up with this ****.

Miami converted about 40% in the 1st half, and didn't convert a 3rd down until the final seconds were running off in the 4th, but the offense was converting 50%

Miami converted 50% in the 1st half no abouts do the math.... 3rd down plus the 1 4th down conversion = 4 for 8. 50%

The 2nd half, 1st drive stalled and Miami gets blown out, simple as that. The rest of the failed conversions came in the middle of a blowout. 35-14 in the 3rd quarter. The defense didnt do their jobs so the offense ran out of gas.

Only an idiot "troll" like you would think that if UM's defense was going hard that the offense wouldnt have continued to do the same..... by the time Miami got it's 3rd possesion of the 3rd quarter the score was already 35-14. GTFOH.

The defense didn't do it's job so the offense ran out of gas spending the entire 2nd half on the bench.......Only you would come up with this dumb ****. I believe in the real football world. If the offense doesn't do it's job. The defense gets gassed for being on the field all game.

If SteMoron didn't throw that pass so high to Waters on that 1st drive. There would have been 6 points there. Then on the sack, it isn't all on Wheeler to notice that DB was coming in the blitz. It is Morris job to also read that, and to adjust with a quick throw. He had 2 WR uncovered to his right off the line. need 8 yards for a 1st.

Even still the game was not over then like you say. It could have easliy been 28 to 35 going into the 4th. I too can use 4th downs along with 3rd downs to make a point. 1 of 5 on 3rd downs, and 0 of 2 on 4th down in the 2nd half=****%

DIDNT READ.... defense was to blame move on.

 

[OBLIVION]

Against FSU, Miami's offense was **** near 50% until the game was already over in the 4th.

They had a real good game converting.... the defense was the issue.

against Florida, Miami was terrible, but the game plan changed.

Only zone3troll comes up with this ****.

Miami converted about 40% in the 1st half, and didn't convert a 3rd down until the final seconds were running off in the 4th, but the offense was converting 50%

Miami converted 50% in the 1st half no abouts do the math.... 3rd down plus the 1 4th down conversion = 4 for 8. 50%

The 2nd half, 1st drive stalled and Miami gets blown out, simple as that. The rest of the failed conversions came in the middle of a blowout. 35-14 in the 3rd quarter. The defense didnt do their jobs so the offense ran out of gas.

Only an idiot "troll" like you would think that if UM's defense was going hard that the offense wouldnt have continued to do the same..... by the time Miami got it's 3rd possesion of the 3rd quarter the score was already 35-14. GTFOH.

The defense didn't do it's job so the offense ran out of gas spending the entire 2nd half on the bench.......Only you would come up with this dumb ****. I believe in the real football world. If the offense doesn't do it's job. The defense gets gassed for being on the field all game.

If SteMoron didn't throw that pass so high to Waters on that 1st drive. There would have been 6 points there. Then on the sack, it isn't all on Wheeler to notice that DB was coming in the blitz. It is Morris job to also read that, and to adjust with a quick throw. He had 2 WR uncovered to his right off the line. need 8 yards for a 1st.

Even still the game was not over then like you say. It could have easliy been 28 to 35 going into the 4th. I too can use 4th downs along with 3rd downs to make a point. 1 of 5 on 3rd downs, and 0 of 2 on 4th down in the 2nd half=****%

DIDNT READ.... defense was to blame move on.

Of course you did. It just smacks your logic out the water.

 

[bigweez]

Lets for a second look at the seniors on defense and compare each player to a player in our 2014 class. Then u tell me which player u expect to have a better career at Miami? Green or Thomas? Porter or Valentine? Renfrow or wyche? Robinson or moten? Cain or Jackson? Gaines or Owens? Cornelius or Smith? Rodgers or jc Jackson? Highsmith or bethel? Now I know I included two players not currently committed to Miami but my point is I could argue every player not currently at Miami will have a better career than the player leaving..and u could make a similar list on offense..morris or kaaya? Clements or yearby? Hagens or Powell? Henderson or McDermott? Linder or darling? Wheeler or gibbons? Cleveland or Griffin? Hurns or dixon? Which team is more talented? The seniors in college or the ones in highschool...give the coaches time..our talent level is increasing fast..sorry for no paragraphs..am on phone and it will not let me do spaces for paragraphs.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Miami gave up 413 yards to Florida.

Florida's offense was on the field for 38:20

Miami's offense was on the field for 21:40

Just like FSU, Miami's defense was on the field for 2/3 of the game while the offense was on the bench.

In between Miami's two touchdowns of which the second was a 2 play, 4 yard drive. 30 plays for a 47 yards. 7 punts and 1 interception.

UM 2nd H23 14:04 I n t e r c e p t i o n H17 12:32 P u n t 3 - (6) 1:32
UM H16 07:22 D o w n s H16 06:53 P u n t 3 - 0 0:29
UM H13 00:37 F u m b l e H11 00:00 End of half 1 - (2) 0:37
UM 3rd H27 15:00 K i c k o f f H23 13:22 P u n t 3 - (4) 1:38
UM H20 08:40 K i c k o f f H21 06:58 P u n t 3 - 1 1:42
UM H16 04:20 P u n t H15 02:11 P u n t 4 - (1) 2:09
UM H10 00:49 P u n t V40 14:21 P u n t 5 - 50 1:28
UM 4th H36 11:53 P u n t H37 09:30 I n t e r c e p t i o n 5 - 1 2:23
UM H33 06:41 I n t e r c e p t i o n H41 05:28 P u n t 3 - 8 1:13

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Golden's record through 32 games: 20-12

Randy's record through 32 games: 17-15

How much longer until we can expect to start seeing a big difference on the field?

So Golden's record is ALREADY better than Shannon's, despite having taken over from the WORST HC Miami has had in almost a half century, and having had to recruit under the cloud of a huge NCAA investigation where the media was calling for us to get the DEATH PENALTY.

I mean we are sitting at 7-1, ranked in the top 20, with a **** good shot at winning the Coastal and going to the ACCCG for the FIRST TIME, and people are b*tching because we lost to one of the top 2 teams in the country, with one of the top offenses in the country, in THEIR house.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

Think about this for a second.

Miami played an undefeated FSU, IN TALLY, with a legit Heisman candidate, and a high power offense that has posted over 40 points in 8 straight games now, and has simply MASSACRED everyone on their schedule this year. Yes we gave up a lot of yards and points.

Alabama played TAMU, that has lost now TWO games, but who have a Heisman player on offense, and gave up OVER 600 yards of offense, and over 40 points to them. What was the difference? Alabama has an offense that can respond and keep them in the game. We DONT.

Great offenses are going to move the ball, and score some points. We just dont have an offense that can help us stay in the game.

And for all the P8ssing and moaning about UNC and Wake, Wake couldnt run on us, and yes we gave up 21 points. UNC our QB threw FOUR picks. That game shouldnt have even been close. We've generated a SH*T load of turnovers this year, and have stopped most teams COLD running the ball.

Are we are MNC calibur Defense? **** no. Not with guys like Highsmith, Cornelius, Gaines, Porter, Green, and a bunch of young kids back there. Get another few years of development and the recruits we need, and this defense is going to look a LOT different.

 

[The Franchise]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

Exactly. This is what people keep missing. Going into the FSU game, most believed to win the game we needed to control the clock and run the ball. Why, because they have more talent than we do at the moment. To shorten the game and control the clock is universally recognized as the way to beat a superior team talent wise. Along with a few breaks and turnovers.

Well this same game plan is what less talented teams use against us. Some do it with the run, others with the short passing game. But both can be VERY effective against our style of bend don't break defense. We are doing EXACTLY what they want us to do. Were playing right into their hands.

That is the reason we play these close games until late in the 4th with NC, Wake, GT...etc. That and our own stupid turnovers. These teams are content to take 5 yards, 8 yards, 3 yards. Why, because it chews up clock and keeps OUR explosive offense on the sideline. We allow them to stay close, instead of attacking and pressing the issue. We should make their inferior athletes make plays against our superior ones.

But remember yards don't matter! lol Our offense is sitting on the sideline for 5 to 8 minutes at a time. No wonder they are cold as **** and go three and out. Or defensive philosophy never allows them to get in a rhythm and get a feel for what the opposing defense is trying to do.

And before I get the talent argument. Even with RS sleeping at the wheel in 2009, 2010 and 2011, we still have better players than every team on our schedule other that FSU. FL only has more talent than us on the defensive side of the ball.

And you really believe our d talent is better than VT, who I believe is in the top 5 defensively. 31>5?

Guys are delusional. Let them be. They want to talk about talent like talent lives in a vacuum. Look at a guy like Brandon McGee. He was "talented" from the day he set foot on campus. He wasn't a good football player until 4 years later. This talent fantasy world stuff is living in the past. How talented is our starting D? Go down the list:

1. Renfrow--cast off from a sht team UVA. Journeyman player at his best.
2. Chick--good quality player without much physical talent. A try-hard guy.
3. Pierre-a 2 star Temple level talent who nobody wanted.
4. Shayon--another try-hard guy playing on duct taped knees with very limited athletic ability
5. Cornileus--weak player with no explosive athletic talent.
6. Gaines--2 star player who no one wanted. Another try-hard guy with a great attitude and very limited ability.
7. Perryman--legit player. Could play on and excel on any team in the country.
8. AJ--would be a backup on an FCS team. Enough said.
9. Jenkins--legit player coming into his own as a sophomore. Will only get better.
10. Tracy--legit player. Future star.
11. Gunter--legit player. Limited physically, but makes up for it with smarts and football savvy.

Where is all this talent everyone is crowing about?