The Truth about the Defense - For those who say it's talent

[CaneMutiny06]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

The scheme isn't changing. This is Golden's defense.

But if the part about Donofrio not giving a **** about yards allowed was actually true, Temple never would have finished in the top 20 in total defense, or top 15 in yards per play.

Miami has the talent to not be one of the worst teams in the BCS when it comes to 3rd down defense.

While the 3rd down conversions the last 2 games were frustrating, Miami is not one of the worst in 3rd down defense. We're ranked 50ths at the moment. That's still in the top half and no where near the 'worst'.

 

[cubin10]

Pretty obvious, at best offense is inconsistent. Can score at anytime and go 3 and out for long periods within the game.

 

[OBLIVION]

Why can't it be both?

Scheme and talent?

I am more concerned with our fan base not complaining about the offense. This is what amazes me.


To the board (not the OP),

People want to know why I think posters have agendas. BECAUSE THEY ONLY BlTCH ABOUT THE DEFENSE. The offense is pretty inconsistent out there. Our offense has 10 ****lNG turnovers in ACC play. Is everyone cool with this?

I constantly talk about the offensive inconsistentence that I get bash for it..

Keep at it. Others will join you. It just takes some longer to get the memo.

 

[deleted3746]

25 of the 33 players who comprise the 3-deep depth chart are guys who have been selected by Al Golden to represent the University of Miami football team.

The only eight players who are not "Golden guys":

Green
Robinson
Porter
Gaines
Cornelius
Cain
Rodgers
Highsmith

Dorito. Must. Go.

Mopes gon mope.

 

[zone3cane]

On defense other than Tracy who is 5 star, so essentially we have one star on defense, F$Who had 5 stars at most positions and in many cases two deep 5 star players, there is no comparison in talent. Canes played hard, FSU possess all of your 5 star athletes.

that's not the point, Syracuse shut down Wake Forest, Miami got destroyed by Wake Forest..... Syracuse has no talent in comparison to Miami.

It's not about sizing Miami up w/ FSU, everyone knows they have more talent then Miami but so what they are a top 3 team in the country.... we're talking about the rest of the field.

Miami has more talent then most teams in the BCS so their is no excuse as to why Miami's defense can Never get off the field on 3rd downs. PERIOD.

 

[DaU83]

i would just like to say .. "LOL" at the "3 deep".. why not going into the 4 deep so you can include a higher percentage of golden's guys.

 

[The Franchise]

25 of the 33 players who comprise the 3-deep depth chart are guys who have been selected by Al Golden to represent the University of Miami football team.

The only eight players who are not "Golden guys":

Green
Robinson
Porter
Gaines
Cornelius
Cain
Rodgers
Highsmith

Dorito. Must. Go.

I don't understand the premise of this post.

I think the misguided theme is that for the guys who think it's a talent problem on D most of the guys on the D were signed by The Don. Of course, most of those guys are freshmans and sophomores and the veterans on that list that the Don inherited are the guys who are mostly terrible.

 

[OBLIVION]

i would just like to say .. "LOL" at the "3 deep".. why not going into the 4 deep so you can include a higher percentage of golden's guys.

I'm starting that thread later today.

 

[The Franchise]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

The scheme isn't changing. This is Golden's defense.

But if the part about Donofrio not giving a **** about yards allowed was actually true, Temple never would have finished in the top 20 in total defense, or top 15 in yards per play.

Miami has the talent to not be one of the worst teams in the BCS when it comes to 3rd down defense.

While the 3rd down conversions the last 2 games were frustrating, Miami is not one of the worst in 3rd down defense. We're ranked 50ths at the moment. That's still in the top half and no where near the 'worst'.

How has fsu done converting 3rd downs against other teams this year?

 

[zone3cane]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

The scheme isn't changing. This is Golden's defense.

But if the part about Donofrio not giving a **** about yards allowed was actually true, Temple never would have finished in the top 20 in total defense, or top 15 in yards per play.

Miami has the talent to not be one of the worst teams in the BCS when it comes to 3rd down defense.

While the 3rd down conversions the last 2 games were frustrating, Miami is not one of the worst in 3rd down defense. We're ranked 50ths at the moment. That's still in the top half and no where near the 'worst'.

Miami couldnt get Florida off the field on 3rd downs

 

[Dwinstitles]

lol most the guys u name start on d and we still moved up compared to last year. U win in the trenches and porter robinson and gree r not golden guys. Our best DL IMO r Aqm and Tyriq and AQM was the only guy who was getting pressure like a true UM defender. If u wanna bytch next season u can. I think Dorito is ok but the talent will be much better for the front 4 next year.

 

[CanesAreAble]

25 of the 33 players who comprise the 3-deep depth chart are guys who have been selected by Al Golden to represent the University of Miami football team.

The only eight players who are not "Golden guys":

Green
Robinson
Porter
Gaines
Cornelius
Cain
Rodgers
Highsmith

Dorito. Must. Go.

I don't understand the premise of this post.

I think the misguided theme is that for the guys who think it's a talent problem on D most of the guys on the D were signed by The Don. Of course, most of those guys are freshmans and sophomores and the veterans on that list that the Don inherited are the guys who are mostly terrible.

That's what I figured, but I find it odd that true freshmen not being dominant players on defense is some kind of smoking gun and dispositive proof that IT'S THE SKEEM.

 

[The Franchise]

25 of the 33 players who comprise the 3-deep depth chart are guys who have been selected by Al Golden to represent the University of Miami football team.

The only eight players who are not "Golden guys":

Green
Robinson
Porter
Gaines
Cornelius
Cain
Rodgers
Highsmith

Dorito. Must. Go.

I don't understand the premise of this post.

I think the misguided theme is that for the guys who think it's a talent problem on D most of the guys on the D were signed by The Don. Of course, most of those guys are freshmans and sophomores and the veterans on that list that the Don inherited are the guys who are mostly terrible.

That's what I figured, but I find it odd that true freshmen not being dominant players on defense is some kind of smoking gun and dispositive proof that IT'S THE SKEEM.

It's not a smoking gun. Instead, it's an infantile attempt at trolling.

 

[CaneMutiny06]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

The scheme isn't changing. This is Golden's defense.

But if the part about Donofrio not giving a **** about yards allowed was actually true, Temple never would have finished in the top 20 in total defense, or top 15 in yards per play.

Miami has the talent to not be one of the worst teams in the BCS when it comes to 3rd down defense.

While the 3rd down conversions the last 2 games were frustrating, Miami is not one of the worst in 3rd down defense. We're ranked 50ths at the moment. That's still in the top half and no where near the 'worst'.

Miami couldnt get Florida off the field on 3rd downs

They went 6 for 15 on 3rd down attempts, below their season average.

 

[Dwinstitles]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

The scheme isn't changing. This is Golden's defense.

But if the part about Donofrio not giving a **** about yards allowed was actually true, Temple never would have finished in the top 20 in total defense, or top 15 in yards per play.

Miami has the talent to not be one of the worst teams in the BCS when it comes to 3rd down defense.

While the 3rd down conversions the last 2 games were frustrating, Miami is not one of the worst in 3rd down defense. We're ranked 50ths at the moment. That's still in the top half and no where near the 'worst'.

Miami couldnt get Florida off the field on 3rd downs

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Because we have jags on the DL including Porter who everyone thought was Sapp for no reason when dude played on a wheelchair most of his UM career. The guys that bring pressure r AG guys.

Kudos to AG and the staff because Those Jags r playing good under AG they all have improved including Green who I thought was a str8 bumb as a DE.

 

[Notsince1985]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

The scheme isn't changing. This is Golden's defense.

But if the part about Donofrio not giving a **** about yards allowed was actually true, Temple never would have finished in the top 20 in total defense, or top 15 in yards per play.

Miami has the talent to not be one of the worst teams in the BCS when it comes to 3rd down defense.

While the 3rd down conversions the last 2 games were frustrating, Miami is not one of the worst in 3rd down defense. We're ranked 50ths at the moment. That's still in the top half and no where near the 'worst'.

Miami couldnt get Florida off the field on 3rd downs

They went 6 for 15 on 3rd down attempts, below their season average.

Get out of here with stats and rational thought

 

[The Franchise]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

The scheme isn't changing. This is Golden's defense.

But if the part about Donofrio not giving a **** about yards allowed was actually true, Temple never would have finished in the top 20 in total defense, or top 15 in yards per play.

Miami has the talent to not be one of the worst teams in the BCS when it comes to 3rd down defense.

While the 3rd down conversions the last 2 games were frustrating, Miami is not one of the worst in 3rd down defense. We're ranked 50ths at the moment. That's still in the top half and no where near the 'worst'.

Miami couldnt get Florida off the field on 3rd downs

They went 6 for 15 on 3rd down attempts, below their season average.

Stop bringing these pesky facts to the table.

 

[zone3cane]

Miami gave up 413 yards to Florida.

Florida's offense was on the field for 38:20

Miami's offense was on the field for 21:40

Just like FSU, Miami's defense was on the field for 2/3 of the game while the offense was on the bench.

 

[moshated305]

It's a scheme issue

I was a D'onofrio supporter but i see the big picture now....

you cant have a DC who strongly believes that "yards allowed" doesnt matter only scoring defense and expect to ever have an "elite" defense.

I wouldnt mind if D'onofrio left for a HC job after this season.

So your belief is he is a bend don't break defense and don't believe that has anything to do with the talent or lack thereof?

depth of talent is an issue, not talent, Miami doesnt have 5 stars at every position on the D-line but so what..... VT doesnt either yet they get after it. And their LBs are assigned to play Linebacker not safety constantly at 250LBs.

D'onofrio has Shayon Green running w/ has back turned away from the LOS 10 yards up the field to get into a bs zone that's easy to destroy.

I agree. I will add his dropping Porter into coverage is laughable as well.

 

[The Franchise]

Miami gave up 413 yards to Florida.

Florida's offense was on the field for 38:20

Miami's offense was on the field for 21:40

Just like FSU, Miami's defense was on the field for 2/3 of the game while the offense was on the bench.

How did UM's offense do at converting 3rd downs against uf.ag and fsu?