Personnel for a two-gap 3-4 next year

Golden wants to run a 2-Gap like a pro team thats his problem. Quit bulking up these players and run it like Wisconsin or Utah State. Fast linebackers(225-245) on both teams, ends around 265-280, NTs range from 290-325 on both teams. And attack. Big and slow is a no no.

Green played at 264 and Chickillo at 277 (DE)
Renfro played at 300 and Porter at 325 (NT)
Pierre played at 305 and Robinson at 296 (DT)
McCord played at 235 (Jack)
Cornelius played at 225, Perryman at 240, Gaines at 240, Armbrister at 233 and Kirby at 235 (Linebackers)
AQM played at 240.

Those sizes are comparable to what Stanford plays.
 
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Golden wants to run a 2-Gap like a pro team thats his problem. Quit bulking up these players and run it like Wisconsin or Utah State. Fast linebackers(225-245) on both teams, ends around 265-280, NTs range from 290-325 on both teams. And attack. Big and slow is a no no.

I agree that we need to attack more... Our DL pass-rush is like watching a herd of elephants trying to swim in quicksand.
 
Golden wants to run a 2-Gap like a pro team thats his problem. Quit bulking up these players and run it like Wisconsin or Utah State. Fast linebackers(225-245) on both teams, ends around 265-280, NTs range from 290-325 on both teams. And attack. Big and slow is a no no.

Green played at 264 and Chickillo at 277 (DE)
Renfro played at 300 and Porter at 325 (NT)
Pierre played at 305 and Robinson at 296 (DT)
McCord played at 235 (Jack)
Cornelius played at 225, Perryman at 240, Gaines at 240, Armbrister at 233 and Kirby at 235 (Linebackers)
AQM played at 240.

Those sizes are comparable to what Stanford plays.

But does Stanford 2-gap?
 
I hate the 2-gap system. It's boring and is not a good fit for college kids. It's the reason that only a school like Alabama, who gets the biggest and best, can run with consistent success. But if you look at those kids, how many actually end up being studs and get drafted high? None. The highest was Cody and he's done nothing. The rest of the guys were all LBs and DBs.

Kids in college don't have contracts, so they are not motivated with the fear of being cut and losing money. They are motivated by getting drafted (but only few have that opportunity) and because they love the game and have fun playing. You don't have fun in a 2-gap system. You can't attack. You have fun in football by beating your guy. Kids play defense to beat down the offense. You don't do that in 2-gap. You play paddy-cakes with the Oline and wait. Kids don't play like that in HS and aren't taught that so they struggle making that transition and take time. Even then, there's no reward.....hence no motivation. It's a thankless job. It also KILLS the pass rush. There's never any disruption to QBs on early downs b/c we only play run and there's no disruption in the backfield (unless we slant) so RBs have full vision to make cuts.....which is why we still struggle against the run. Our guys don't even run 2-gap correctly b/c they don't fire off the ball....they sit back and wait.

I would rather play games with the LBs and DBs, disguising or rolling coverages, blitzing, etc and leave the Dline to do what they do best....attack. If i was a player, i would much rather play for an aggressive, attacking, fun defense than a sit back and take it defense like we currently run. As a fan, i would prefer to watch that too. If you want to put butts in the seats, especially in a city like Miami, you have to win but you also have to be exciting! Plus, if i get beat with a couple big plays it seems better than allowing the offense to march up and down the field with 12-15 play drives that tires out the D and ruins it for the rest of the game.

Good post dude.
 
Golden wants to run a 2-Gap like a pro team thats his problem. Quit bulking up these players and run it like Wisconsin or Utah State. Fast linebackers(225-245) on both teams, ends around 265-280, NTs range from 290-325 on both teams. And attack. Big and slow is a no no.

Green played at 264 and Chickillo at 277 (DE)
Renfro played at 300 and Porter at 325 (NT)
Pierre played at 305 and Robinson at 296 (DT)
McCord played at 235 (Jack)
Cornelius played at 225, Perryman at 240, Gaines at 240, Armbrister at 233 and Kirby at 235 (Linebackers)
AQM played at 240.

Those sizes are comparable to what Stanford plays.

But does Stanford 2-gap?

No. But let me ask you a question, would our current set of defensive lineman get off blocks better in a 1-gap alignment? Whether I'm inside or outside zoning, I still believe they get handled. Even when we're slanting they're getting eaten up. I do agree we're better off playing 1-gap responsibilities.
 
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I'm not sure if Stanford is asked to 2-gap or not, but I do know their DL fires off the ball whereas ours stands up and catches the OL in their chest. That's why the RB already has gained 3 yards before he's touched and we have no shot of rushing the QB on non-passing downs.

I feel like there are no positives to this system.
 
First thing I look at is their stance.

If their stance is square, kinda like they're sitting in a chair, and there's very little weight on their front hand...they're either 2-gapping or angling/slanting. They sure as **** ain't firing off the ball.

Look at our guys stances and their first steps. It's straight UP and not FORWARD. We allow blockers to come to us.


Anybody remember the video of Franklin doing the read drill with our D-linemen?
 
I hate the 2-gap system. It's boring and is not a good fit for college kids. It's the reason that only a school like Alabama, who gets the biggest and best, can run with consistent success. But if you look at those kids, how many actually end up being studs and get drafted high? None. The highest was Cody and he's done nothing. The rest of the guys were all LBs and DBs.

Kids in college don't have contracts, so they are not motivated with the fear of being cut and losing money. They are motivated by getting drafted (but only few have that opportunity) and because they love the game and have fun playing. You don't have fun in a 2-gap system. You can't attack. You have fun in football by beating your guy. Kids play defense to beat down the offense. You don't do that in 2-gap. You play paddy-cakes with the Oline and wait. Kids don't play like that in HS and aren't taught that so they struggle making that transition and take time. Even then, there's no reward.....hence no motivation. It's a thankless job. It also KILLS the pass rush. There's never any disruption to QBs on early downs b/c we only play run and there's no disruption in the backfield (unless we slant) so RBs have full vision to make cuts.....which is why we still struggle against the run. Our guys don't even run 2-gap correctly b/c they don't fire off the ball....they sit back and wait.

I would rather play games with the LBs and DBs, disguising or rolling coverages, blitzing, etc and leave the Dline to do what they do best....attack. If i was a player, i would much rather play for an aggressive, attacking, fun defense than a sit back and take it defense like we currently run. As a fan, i would prefer to watch that too. If you want to put butts in the seats, especially in a city like Miami, you have to win but you also have to be exciting! Plus, if i get beat with a couple big plays it seems better than allowing the offense to march up and down the field with 12-15 play drives that tires out the D and ruins it for the rest of the game.

except that Al Golden has put more starting DL in the NFL employing the 2 gap system than FSU, UF and Miami combined during he same period when he was at Temple.
Let that sink in and then rethink what you wrote.

Muhammed had like 60+ tackles playing in this system at Temple so it's disingenious for you to imply they are just being taught to play "paddy cakes".
The issue has been we don't have the players currently that are able to control their man and disengage after reading the play either because they are to weak to do it or take longer to react to plays.
Do to a combination of factors being weak DT talent pool in South FL the last few years while Golden's been recruiting here plus the threat of Sanctions and just bad luck with committs Golden is behind the ball in getting DT's needed to run this system effecitively. This year with a better talent pool locally of DT's and the NCAA issue behind us you're see a better DT class.
 
Please name all of these DL.

Also, Temple has had one elite DL come out of this system under Golden. I guess that makes him a master DL developer.

Troy has Osi and Demarcus Ware. I guess Troy is now DL U? You use 1 or 2 players for Golden's entire career to prove a point and it doesn't help your argument.
 
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Please name all of these DL.

Also, Temple has had one elite DL come out of this system under Golden. I guess that makes him a master DL developer.

Troy has Osi and Demarcus Ware. I guess Troy is now DL U? You use 1 or 2 players for Golden's entire career to prove a point and it doesn't help your argument.

Exactly. wilkerson is one of the best DL in the NFL today. There's a correlation to Temple but not naturally a causation. Does Flacco make Delaware QB U?
 
First thing I look at is their stance.

If their stance is square, kinda like they're sitting in a chair, and there's very little weight on their front hand...they're either 2-gapping or angling/slanting. They sure as **** ain't firing off the ball.

Look at our guys stances and their first steps. It's straight UP and not FORWARD. We allow blockers to come to us.


Anybody remember the video of Franklin doing the read drill with our D-linemen?

I don't recall this video. Is it still online?
 
First thing I look at is their stance.

If their stance is square, kinda like they're sitting in a chair, and there's very little weight on their front hand...they're either 2-gapping or angling/slanting. They sure as **** ain't firing off the ball.

Look at our guys stances and their first steps. It's straight UP and not FORWARD. We allow blockers to come to us.


Anybody remember the video of Franklin doing the read drill with our D-linemen?

I don't recall this video. Is it still online?

All of the drill videos can be found here: http://hfbca.theusports.com/
 
First thing I look at is their stance.

If their stance is square, kinda like they're sitting in a chair, and there's very little weight on their front hand...they're either 2-gapping or angling/slanting. They sure as **** ain't firing off the ball.

Look at our guys stances and their first steps. It's straight UP and not FORWARD. We allow blockers to come to us.


Anybody remember the video of Franklin doing the read drill with our D-linemen?

I don't recall this video. Is it still online?
I remember the video. It was an older CanesAllAccess video. I looked for it once before, but I couldn't find it.
 
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I don't think anyone is saying even remotely that Temple was DT U. Smfh.

The point that was made was it is complete nonsense to believe our DL are being taught to play patty cake, when this staff was able to take a 2-star basketball player and in three years turn him into a 1st round "elite 3-4 DE prospect" (NFL.com). He then proceeded to start immediately for the Jets, and immediately was an impact player. None of this happens if he isn't coached properly.
 
First thing I look at is their stance.

If their stance is square, kinda like they're sitting in a chair, and there's very little weight on their front hand...they're either 2-gapping or angling/slanting. They sure as **** ain't firing off the ball.

Look at our guys stances and their first steps. It's straight UP and not FORWARD. We allow blockers to come to us.


Anybody remember the video of Franklin doing the read drill with our D-linemen?

I don't recall this video. Is it still online?

All of the drill videos can be found here: http://hfbca.theusports.com/

Wildcat: can you find the clip you're referring to?
 
Please name all of these DL.

Also, Temple has had one elite DL come out of this system under Golden. I guess that makes him a master DL developer.

Troy has Osi and Demarcus Ware. I guess Troy is now DL U? You use 1 or 2 players for Golden's entire career to prove a point and it doesn't help your argument.

DT from Denver Knighton is the other.
Now ask yourself which former Miami Hurricanes DT during the last 10 years or so had any impact in the NFL?
Hmmm. Wilfork? and what scheme does Wilfork play in the NFL? ummmm could it be a 3-4??
So after Wilfork Miami hasn't put any DT's worth of crap in the NFL running the "Fun" and "Attacking" 4-3 defense you all are saying would solve all our problems on D.
SFTU with that crap.
This ISSUE is TALENT.. WE HAVEN'T had talent at DT worth a crap for the longest which Golden is working on addressing..
 
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First thing I look at is their stance.

If their stance is square, kinda like they're sitting in a chair, and there's very little weight on their front hand...they're either 2-gapping or angling/slanting. They sure as **** ain't firing off the ball.

Look at our guys stances and their first steps. It's straight UP and not FORWARD. We allow blockers to come to us.

Anybody remember the video of Franklin doing the read drill with our D-linemen?

Who the fuque would teach that?
 
I don't think anyone is saying even remotely that Temple was DT U. Smfh.

The point that was made was it is complete nonsense to believe our DL are being taught to play patty cake, when this staff was able to take a 2-star basketball player and in three years turn him into a 1st round "elite 3-4 DE prospect" (NFL.com). He then proceeded to start immediately for the Jets, and immediately was an impact player. None of this happens if he isn't coached properly.

Wilkerson was not a "2 star". Dude was a high 3 star coming out of prep school. Since he went to prep school he also had an extra year of development. That is ONE ******* kid, who else did dorito and golden "develop" and help to get drafted that played on the Dline. Central Michigan and whoever is the coach there "developed" Eric fisher. Memphis and whoever was/is the coach there "developed" Dontari Poe lol.
 
First thing I look at is their stance.

If their stance is square, kinda like they're sitting in a chair, and there's very little weight on their front hand...they're either 2-gapping or angling/slanting. They sure as **** ain't firing off the ball.

Look at our guys stances and their first steps. It's straight UP and not FORWARD. We allow blockers to come to us.

Anybody remember the video of Franklin doing the read drill with our D-linemen?

Who the fuque would teach that?

I think they purposely scrapped the kind of teaching that can mold raw talent into first rounders, and decided to go with something that would make no sense to any football coach in America......b/c you know, it can't be that the talent level on the DL is absolutely a disgrace.....
 
I don't think anyone is saying even remotely that Temple was DT U. Smfh.

The point that was made was it is complete nonsense to believe our DL are being taught to play patty cake, when this staff was able to take a 2-star basketball player and in three years turn him into a 1st round "elite 3-4 DE prospect" (NFL.com). He then proceeded to start immediately for the Jets, and immediately was an impact player. None of this happens if he isn't coached properly.

Wilkerson was not a "2 star". Dude was a high 3 star coming out of prep school. Since he went to prep school he also had an extra year of development. That is ONE ****ing kid, who else did dorito and golden "develop" and help to get drafted that played on the Dline. Central Michigan and whoever is the coach there "developed" Eric fisher. Memphis and whoever was/is the coach there "developed" Dontari Poe lol.

Hey ******, reading comprehension. No coach can magically turn a no talent kid into a star. The point that some arrogant people on here are trying to make is that "we are teaching our kids to play patty cake". If that were true, why the **** weren't they teaching that to Muhammad Wilkerson? Did they choose to ONLY teach him how to play properly? Did Jethro decide, "you know, after I was able to properly teach this hidden gem how to play, and thus his talents and technique got him drafted in the first round, I think i'll scrap that and now teach patty cake".....Use LOGIC. Chain rule, Demorgans law, this **** works.
 
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