Personnel for a two-gap 3-4 next year

[skyman]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot nexpt year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

I laugh when people want to point to our incoming class, as if they are going to help us win games next year.

Stacy Coley didn't help us win games this year? Duke didn't win us games as a freshman?

Think it's very different to ask a skill guy like coley who even at 175 has shown signs of being a freshman and asking a dt to hold it down in the trenches as soon as he steps on campus.

 

[Bigtip]

the AG/Dorito defense simply will not work. anyone that needs more evidence than what we've seen in the first 3 years is just retarded or a raging homer

literally makes me sick to watch this "defense" and it WILL be much much worse next year if there are no changes to the staff/philosophy

 

[Consigliere]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot nexpt year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

I laugh when people want to point to our incoming class, as if they are going to help us win games next year.

Stacy Coley didn't help us win games this year? Duke didn't win us games as a freshman?

I think he is referring to DL and the freshman we have coming in at the position (Thomas, Jackson, Harris, Moton, Valentine, Jenkins).

Certain positions like WR/RB it is easy to see a freshman come in and contribute serious and quality burn (Duke Johnson and Stacey Coley). If Griffin gets in, it would not shock me if he had early success.

 

[AUcane]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

Disagree on speed. It's basically the same guys.

4-3: DL- chick, wyche, Pierre, McCord / LB: figs, arm, Kirby
3-4: DL-chick, wyche, Pierre/ LB: McCord, figs, arm, Kirby

 

[LuCane]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

Disagree on speed. It's basically the same guys.

4-3: DL- chick, wyche, Pierre, McCord / LB: figs, arm, Kirby
3-4: DL-chick, wyche, Pierre/ LB: McCord, figs, arm, Kirby

It's possible they'd just look faster.

 

[LUcanesfan]

DE Chickillo
NT Wyche
DE Pierre

OLB AQM
ILB Kirby
ILB Figueroa
OLB McCord

I personally like this. IIRC, Golden mentioned that AQM is listed as a DE, but he is a LB (or will be a LB next year). I have no problem with that since AQM is one of our better pass-rushers. Him and McCord could be an awesome duo at OLB.

The only thing I wonder about is if Figs could handle the ILB position. I would imagine that it is easier for a inside LB to transition outside than it is for an outside LB to switch inside.

 

[rok]

DL could be really good if we rana 4-3

DE McCord - AQM - Hoilett - Jackson

DT Pierre - Hamilton - King - Moten

DT Moore - Wyche - Valentine - Jenkins

DE Chickillo - Kamalu - Thomas - Harris

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Definitely agree for this year. Next year's DT situation is Bluto Blutarsky "HOLY SHA--HITTT!" worthy.

Moten has a quicker second step than anybody on the current roster at defensive tackle.

And he won't do a **** thing on the field for at least 2 years. That's a very tough position for a true freshmans to contribute at.

The kid will contribute immediately. Kareem Brown played very well as a true freshman. So did Marcus Forston.

PC,

Kareem Brown and Marcus Forston had very different responsibilities than Moten will presumably have. I'm actually curious if anyone can find or tell us of any true Frosh who have played well and often in a 2-gap scheme.

Speed is just as critical at nose tackle in my opinion. That kid at Wake Forest was lightening to the second step. Yes he had a low center of gravity, but he played the nose as well as anybody I've seen at the college level.

 

[LuCane]

Moten has a quicker second step than anybody on the current roster at defensive tackle.

And he won't do a **** thing on the field for at least 2 years. That's a very tough position for a true freshmans to contribute at.

The kid will contribute immediately. Kareem Brown played very well as a true freshman. So did Marcus Forston.

PC,

Kareem Brown and Marcus Forston had very different responsibilities than Moten will presumably have. I'm actually curious if anyone can find or tell us of any true Frosh who have played well and often in a 2-gap scheme.

Speed is just as critical at nose tackle in my opinion. That kid at Wake Forest was lightening to the second step. Yes he had a low center of gravity, but he played the nose as well as anybody I've seen at the college level.

PC, the kid at Wake is playing a different style in a different system. If 5' 11" 255 pound Nikita Whitlock were asked to do what our DTs do, he'd likely get blocked into the stands.

 

[AUcane]

DE Chickillo
NT Wyche
DE Pierre

OLB AQM
ILB Kirby
ILB Figueroa
OLB McCord

I personally like this. IIRC, Golden mentioned that AQM is listed as a DE, but he is a LB (or will be a LB next year). I have no problem with that since AQM is one of our better pass-rushers. Him and McCord could be an awesome duo at OLB.

The only thing I wonder about is if Figs could handle the ILB position. I would imagine that it is easier for a inside LB to transition outside than it is for an outside LB to switch inside.

Remember that AQM would probably have Green's role - a LB that would line up at the LOS over the TE. Responsibilities would be holding the edge on runs, rushing the passer or dropping into coverage. Think of Adrian Hubbard - 6-6, 230 pound DE in HS that has been the Bama OLB for the past couple years. He rushes the passer, plays the run but also drops into coverage.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

I'm fairly certain that we'll be playing 3-4 next year for the reasons detailed previously--we've committed to it and I don't think they would've played 34 this year unless this was a long term move. If we play anything analogous to what we played this year, I expect McCord to gain another 10-15 lbs and play on the line ala Shayon Green. What happens with Perryman might be the key to personnel moves. If he somehow stayed, I think you have your ILB duo and Figueroa stays outside to complement Armbrister much like this year. If he leaves, then I suspect Figueroa moves inside and Grace becomes more of a factor. They're going to want 240lb ILB's and Figueroa fits that. In fact, Figueroa may move either way. I don't exactly know where Muhammad factors in but I suspect primarily he'll be a pass rusher like this year. I also think he might be the biggest gainer in the offseason weight program--he's probably 230 or so with twigs for legs. They'll probably ask him to get to 255/260 and I think he can get close. Then maybe he can be McCord's backup but that remains to be seen.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

And he won't do a **** thing on the field for at least 2 years. That's a very tough position for a true freshmans to contribute at.

The kid will contribute immediately. Kareem Brown played very well as a true freshman. So did Marcus Forston.

PC,

Kareem Brown and Marcus Forston had very different responsibilities than Moten will presumably have. I'm actually curious if anyone can find or tell us of any true Frosh who have played well and often in a 2-gap scheme.

Speed is just as critical at nose tackle in my opinion. That kid at Wake Forest was lightening to the second step. Yes he had a low center of gravity, but he played the nose as well as anybody I've seen at the college level.

PC, the kid at Wake is playing a different style in a different system. If 5' 11" 255 pound Nikita Whitlock were asked to do what our DTs do, he'd likely get blocked into the stands.

That is true. WF really runs an Okie 50 front.

 

[Coach Macho]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

Disagree on speed. It's basically the same guys.

4-3: DL- chick, wyche, Pierre, McCord / LB: figs, arm, Kirby
3-4: DL-chick, wyche, Pierre/ LB: McCord, figs, arm, Kirby

Wasn't really planning on keeping Chickillo at 4-3 DE full-time. That's why I said that. Dude is a DT now. Molasses.

 

[Coach Macho]

Moten has a quicker second step than anybody on the current roster at defensive tackle.

And he won't do a **** thing on the field for at least 2 years. That's a very tough position for a true freshmans to contribute at.

The kid will contribute immediately. Kareem Brown played very well as a true freshman. So did Marcus Forston.

PC,

Kareem Brown and Marcus Forston had very different responsibilities than Moten will presumably have. I'm actually curious if anyone can find or tell us of any true Frosh who have played well and often in a 2-gap scheme.

Speed is just as critical at nose tackle in my opinion. That kid at Wake Forest was lightening to the second step. Yes he had a low center of gravity, but he played the nose as well as anybody I've seen at the college level.

Speed is NOT critical at NT if you're 2-gapping. The stance alone doesn't even allow you to use speed.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

And he won't do a **** thing on the field for at least 2 years. That's a very tough position for a true freshmans to contribute at.

The kid will contribute immediately. Kareem Brown played very well as a true freshman. So did Marcus Forston.

PC,

Kareem Brown and Marcus Forston had very different responsibilities than Moten will presumably have. I'm actually curious if anyone can find or tell us of any true Frosh who have played well and often in a 2-gap scheme.

Speed is just as critical at nose tackle in my opinion. That kid at Wake Forest was lightening to the second step. Yes he had a low center of gravity, but he played the nose as well as anybody I've seen at the college level.

Speed is NOT critical at NT if you're 2-gapping. The stance alone doesn't even allow you to use speed.

No, I got that. What I meant was to the second step. If you can't get under pad level, you're done.

 

[4000TMNT]

What do you think Al Golden is gonna do to Chad Thomas & Demetrius Jackson if the defense stay in a 3-4?

They might end up just like Chickillo playing DT's, I pray that does not happen.

 

[bes628]

What do you think Al Golden is gonna do to Chad Thomas & Demetrius Jackson if the defense stay in a 3-4?

They might end up just like Chickillo playing DT's, I pray that does not happen.

They'll probably be like a McCord. a guy who should always have a hand on the ground and getting after the Qb, because he struggles in space.

 

[bes628]

What do you think Al Golden is gonna do to Chad Thomas & Demetrius Jackson if the defense stay in a 3-4?

They might end up just like Chickillo playing DT's, I pray that does not happen.

They'll probably be like a McCord. a guy who should always have a hand on the ground and getting after the Qb, because he struggles in space.

 

[PSU Cane]

I hate the 2-gap system. It's boring and is not a good fit for college kids. It's the reason that only a school like Alabama, who gets the biggest and best, can run with consistent success. But if you look at those kids, how many actually end up being studs and get drafted high? None. The highest was Cody and he's done nothing. The rest of the guys were all LBs and DBs.

Kids in college don't have contracts, so they are not motivated with the fear of being cut and losing money. They are motivated by getting drafted (but only few have that opportunity) and because they love the game and have fun playing. You don't have fun in a 2-gap system. You can't attack. You have fun in football by beating your guy. Kids play defense to beat down the offense. You don't do that in 2-gap. You play paddy-cakes with the Oline and wait. Kids don't play like that in HS and aren't taught that so they struggle making that transition and take time. Even then, there's no reward.....hence no motivation. It's a thankless job. It also KILLS the pass rush. There's never any disruption to QBs on early downs b/c we only play run and there's no disruption in the backfield (unless we slant) so RBs have full vision to make cuts.....which is why we still struggle against the run. Our guys don't even run 2-gap correctly b/c they don't fire off the ball....they sit back and wait.

I would rather play games with the LBs and DBs, disguising or rolling coverages, blitzing, etc and leave the Dline to do what they do best....attack. If i was a player, i would much rather play for an aggressive, attacking, fun defense than a sit back and take it defense like we currently run. As a fan, i would prefer to watch that too. If you want to put butts in the seats, especially in a city like Miami, you have to win but you also have to be exciting! Plus, if i get beat with a couple big plays it seems better than allowing the offense to march up and down the field with 12-15 play drives that tires out the D and ruins it for the rest of the game.

 

[QuadCityCane]

Golden wants to run a 2-Gap like a pro team thats his problem. Quit bulking up these players and run it like Wisconsin or Utah State. Fast linebackers(225-245) on both teams, ends around 265-280, NTs range from 290-325 on both teams. And attack. Big and slow is a no no.