Personnel for a two-gap 3-4 next year

[RiDLer80]

Personnel doesn't match for a 3-4. IMO.

But Golden says we are forced to play 3-4 because of talent

I'm not sure how sarcastic you're trying to be, but Golden said we're playing 3-4 because we don't have enough (or enough quality) DTs to run a 4-3.

I don't really believe that though. Even in our 3-4 we have two DTs on the field at all times. Porter/Renfrow and the nose and Pierre/Robinson at one of the 3-4 ends.

Those are all DTs that would probably be better suited as 4-3 DTs. We've done a poor job recruiting for a 3-4 and would be better suited running a 4-3.

 

[FreePawn]

A 2 Gap 3-4 is very difficult to run in college IMO. You need grown *** men on the DL and LB and those are hard to come by.

It is even more difficult when your recruiting base is filled with front seven players taught to attack since Optimist ball. Square peg, round hole and it will always be that way.

 

[San Amaro Dr]

SIAP but assuming the plan is to have Quan and Tyriq playing on the outside anybody else see Fig moving inside next year? He is definitely physical enough and has the size. Durability might be a concern but the kid plays fast and could fill in for #52 who many see nfl bound.

 

[DiegoCane]

I look at guys like Grace and wonder where they fit into this scheme.

They really gonna try to mold him into a 3-4 ILB?

Grace reminds me of a throwback Miami LB. I can see him at about 6'2" 235lbs and running all over the **** field, chasing **** down.



And then I think about a future with this... (2015)

DE - Thomas
DT - Valentine, Kamalu
DT - Moten, Wyche
DE - McCord, AQM, Smith

SLB - Figs
MLB - Kirby
WLB - Grace


Hard for me to believe that we would suck with that line-up.

That line up in an aggressive, attacking style D would be a lot of fun to watch.

 

[LuCane]

I look at guys like Grace and wonder where they fit into this scheme.

They really gonna try to mold him into a 3-4 ILB?

Grace reminds me of a throwback Miami LB. I can see him at about 6'2" 235lbs and running all over the **** field, chasing **** down.



And then I think about a future with this... (2015)

DE - Thomas
DT - Valentine, Kamalu
DT - Moten, Wyche
DE - McCord, AQM, Smith

SLB - Figs
MLB - Kirby
WLB - Grace


Hard for me to believe that we would suck with that line-up.

That line up in an aggressive, attacking style D would be a lot of fun to watch.

With some combination of Bush, Jenkins, Carter, Burns, Crawford, Howard (if he were to stay), Elder, Tyrek Cole (if he comes), and whoever else I'm forgetting...

…behind them.

 

[FreePawn]

I think about a future with this... (2015)

DE - Thomas
DT - Valentine, Kamalu
DT - Moten, Wyche
DE - McCord, AQM, Smith

SLB - Figs
MLB - Kirby
WLB - Grace


Hard for me to believe that we would suck with that line-up.

Gotta add some kids and salivate:

DE - Thomas, THarris
DT - Valentine, Kamalu
DT - Moten, Wyche
DE - McCord, AQM, Smith

SLB - Figs, Lockley
MLB - Kirby, JYoung
WLB - Grace DOwens

CB - Burns, JCJackson, Bethel
CB - Howard, Crawford
S - Bush
S - Jenkins, Carter

 

[DiegoCane]

I look at guys like Grace and wonder where they fit into this scheme.

They really gonna try to mold him into a 3-4 ILB?

Grace reminds me of a throwback Miami LB. I can see him at about 6'2" 235lbs and running all over the **** field, chasing **** down.



And then I think about a future with this... (2015)

DE - Thomas
DT - Valentine, Kamalu
DT - Moten, Wyche
DE - McCord, AQM, Smith

SLB - Figs
MLB - Kirby
WLB - Grace


Hard for me to believe that we would suck with that line-up.

That line up in an aggressive, attacking style D would be a lot of fun to watch.

With some combination of Bush, Jenkins, Carter, Burns, Crawford, Howard (if he were to stay), Elder, Tyrek Cole (if he comes), and whoever else I'm forgetting...

…behind them.

Yeah, that is some **** good talent.

Jaquan Johnson is one that we need.

 

[TP801]

The 3-4 will be at UM as long as Golden is in charge. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with playing a 3-4. However, the two gapping needs to be used far less often. UCLa plays a 3-4, Stanford, Oregon to some extent, washington, bam a, fsu, etc..... Hope UM sticks with the 3-4. As long as the two gapping is significantly toned down.

Maybe people don't understand how good/strong The lineman would have to be to do what is currently being asked, and actually play at an elite level. Not very many of those kids come around each recruiting cycle. And thus far, golden hasn't been able to secure commitments from most of those kids.

 

[DeadPoets]

No way this staff ditches their system in favor of something that compliments their talent.
Way too stubborn, but even more, way too inexperienced in their careers.

 

[DiegoCane]

No way this staff ditches their system in favor of something that compliments their talent.
Way too stubborn, but even more, way too inexperienced in their careers.

How are they inexperienced?

Al has 4 years experience as a DC and 7 as a HC
D'O has 7 years experience as a DC

 

[FullyERicht]

Can someone explain to me the following:

A) Why do Golden/D'Onofrio eschew the Penn State defense that they both coache or played in in favor of a much more demanding/confusing defense?

B) how did Bob Diaco, who became LBs coach under Groh after Golden/Dono left, field an elite defense last year running this exact system????

 

[LuCane]

Can someone explain to me the following:

A) Why do Golden/D'Onofrio eschew the Penn State defense that they both coache or played in in favor of a much more demanding/confusing defense?

B) how did Bob Diaco, who became LBs coach under Groh after Golden/Dono left, field an elite defense last year running this exact system????

Interesting questions. Guessing:

A) Because their professional development is under the latter.

B) First of all, I'm not sure if it was exact. Second of all, we'd need to field the best NT in college football and flank him with a 6' 6" 315 pound NFL prospect at 3-4 DE. If you've got that, that's a start to make it work. Except, they returned 7 starters (including those two stud DL) and have fallen way off this year. Why? Because, while solid in theory, I don't believe it's the best choice for a sustainable system at the college level. It requires very specific roles/players.

 

[RiDLer80]

So this system isn't sustainable without elite recruiting year in and year out.

That makes me feel better.

 

[FullyERicht]

Can someone explain to me the following:

A) Why do Golden/D'Onofrio eschew the Penn State defense that they both coache or played in in favor of a much more demanding/confusing defense?

B) how did Bob Diaco, who became LBs coach under Groh after Golden/Dono left, field an elite defense last year running this exact system????

Interesting questions. Guessing:

A) Because their professional development is under the latter.

B) First of all, I'm not sure if it was exact. Second of all, we'd need to field the best NT in college football and flank him with a 6' 6" 315 pound NFL prospect at 3-4 DE. If you've got that, that's a start to make it work. Except, they returned 7 starters (including those two stud DL) and have fallen way off this year. Why? Because, while solid in theory, I don't believe it's the best choice for a sustainable system at the college level. It requires very specific roles/players.

Great answers Lu.

AG was a LB coach under Sandusky though in 2000, so that playbook has to be something they can lean on. Comes back to my Tom Bradley fit as DC.

 

[CaneMutiny06]

B) First of all, I'm not sure if it was exact. Second of all, we'd need to field the best NT in college football and flank him with a 6' 6" 315 pound NFL prospect at 3-4 DE. If you've got that, that's a start to make it work. Except, they returned 7 starters (including those two stud DL) and have fallen way off this year. Why? Because, while solid in theory, I don't believe it's the best choice for a sustainable system at the college level. It requires very specific roles/players.

The evidence for long term success of 2 gap 3-4s at major programs is pretty much limited to Bama.

UGA and Notre Dame have enjoyed good seasons with it but weren't able to sustain that success. A lot of UGA fans want Todd Grantham fired actually.

Oregon moved to a hybrid 3-4 last season and they're not seeing better results either.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

B) First of all, I'm not sure if it was exact. Second of all, we'd need to field the best NT in college football and flank him with a 6' 6" 315 pound NFL prospect at 3-4 DE. If you've got that, that's a start to make it work. Except, they returned 7 starters (including those two stud DL) and have fallen way off this year. Why? Because, while solid in theory, I don't believe it's the best choice for a sustainable system at the college level. It requires very specific roles/players.

The evidence for long term success of 2 gap 3-4s at major programs is pretty much limited to Bama.

UGA and Notre Dame have enjoyed good seasons with it but weren't able to sustain that success. A lot of UGA fans want Todd Grantham fired actually.

Oregon moved to a hybrid 3-4 last season and they're not seeing better results either.

And Bama isn't really the end-all, be-all example either, considering how much they use a 4-3 front versus a 3-4 (25% of the time, I think Kirby Smart said)

 

[LuCane]

B) First of all, I'm not sure if it was exact. Second of all, we'd need to field the best NT in college football and flank him with a 6' 6" 315 pound NFL prospect at 3-4 DE. If you've got that, that's a start to make it work. Except, they returned 7 starters (including those two stud DL) and have fallen way off this year. Why? Because, while solid in theory, I don't believe it's the best choice for a sustainable system at the college level. It requires very specific roles/players.

The evidence for long term success of 2 gap 3-4s at major programs is pretty much limited to Bama.

UGA and Notre Dame have enjoyed good seasons with it but weren't able to sustain that success. A lot of UGA fans want Todd Grantham fired actually.

Oregon moved to a hybrid 3-4 last season and they're not seeing better results either.

There's an interesting balance between being predictable and being too complex. The one thing I always nodded in agreement with Randy supporters on is that we don't have the time or attention of NFL players. That doesn't mean we have to be predictable, though.

 

[Miami82]

No way this staff ditches their system in favor of something that compliments their talent.
Way too stubborn, but even more, way too inexperienced in their careers.

I'll say this. If Golden fires No'D I'll start backing him again. If not he needs to be fired now.

 

[fivecent]

I am not sure Bob diaco 3-4 is a 2-gap. Also notice the emphasis on penetration.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1575503-how-bob-diaco-has-revolutionized-notre-dames-defense

You know how all the Kardashian sisters are gorgeous except for one, well in terms of 3-4 DCs we got Khloe Kardashian.

 

[fivecent]

I am not sure Bob diaco 3-4 is a 2-gap. Also notice the emphasis on penetration.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1575503-how-bob-diaco-has-revolutionized-notre-dames-defense

You know how all the Kardashian sisters are gorgeous except for one, well in terms of 3-4 DCs we got Khloe Kardashian.

Correction, maybe it is a 2-gap. I'm confused
http://www.onefootdown.com/2012/8/25/3267286/bob-diacos-3-4-no-crease-defense