Personnel for a two-gap 3-4 next year

[BigDikCane]

4-2-5 NEXT YEAR...

 

[Pentagon Cane]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

Because the kid is slow off the ball. 1-gap, 2-gap, the kid isn't explosive enough to do much. Let's be honest. Porter was unimpressive his true freshman season. At least he never demonstrated the explosion needed to be a difference maker. Played 7 games over the next 3 seasons. He was unproductive this season. As strong as the kid is he got move a lot because he was beaten to the second step.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

Chick needs to drop 15lbs and get some explosion...he doesn't carry 277 well, much less bulking up to DT size.

Yep Chick should be playing at 255/260.

The kid wasn't explosive at 245 pounds. He actually is better suited to played 3-technique tackle at 285 pounds in my opinion.

 

[JHallCanes]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

I laugh when people want to point to our incoming class, as if they are going to help us win games next year.

You might be lucky enough to find a Duke or Stacy Coley, that can change games immediately but that's tough, especially on the defensive side of the ball. You might see some flashes like Quan and Figs have shown, but then you see them disappear for long stretches.

 

[Cans4life]

The thought of Dorito coming back next season literally makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[LA'Cane818]

Even if we switch to a 4-3 it's gonna be the same bend-but-don't-break bull****.

Agreed, but at least in the 4-3 it allows you to get more pressure up front and get more turnovers out of it. Tampa Bay put a few guys in the HOF running a bend, dont break D that feasted on pressure driven mistakes.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

I laugh when people want to point to our incoming class, as if they are going to help us win games next year.

You might be lucky enough to find a Duke or Stacy Coley, that can change games immediately but that's tough, especially on the defensive side of the ball. You might see some flashes like Quan and Figs have shown, but then you see them disappear for long stretches.

People who point to our incoming class are basically implying that we need to wait another 3 years to see real progress (at least under the current system). Lol, please.

 

[LuCane]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

Because the kid is slow off the ball. 1-gap, 2-gap, the kid isn't explosive enough to do much. Let's be honest. Porter was unimpressive his true freshman season. At least he never demonstrated the explosion needed to be a difference maker. Played 7 games over the next 3 seasons. He was unproductive this season. As strong as the kid is he got move a lot because he was beaten to the second step.

You can question the validity of these statements, but here are some views on Porter:
“To me he’s the man in the middle,” outside linebacker Denzel Perryman said. “Nobody can block him.”
Backup tackle Luther Robinson described Porter as “tough and explosive off the ball. He’s been through a lot but he never quit.”

Defensive coordinator Mark D’Onofrio and coach Al Golden have repeatedly said that Porter could be a significant talent if he could stay healthy, conditioned and maintain consistency.
“The guys have a lot of respect for him,” D’Onofrio said. “He’s flashed and shown ability and that he can have an impact on plays. What we’ve got to get him to do is have an impact on games.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/28/3590273/dt-curtis-porter-making-most-of.html
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Porter has flashed a good first step in the past. Certainly, better than whatever he's shown this year at *any* point (even early in the season when he was fresh). He hasn't flashed any consistency over his career, obviously. He's not built to be very effective at playing Nose. He had to gain 20 pounds just to get up to his current weight. He's also not a long-armed guy.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

Because the kid is slow off the ball. 1-gap, 2-gap, the kid isn't explosive enough to do much. Let's be honest. Porter was unimpressive his true freshman season. At least he never demonstrated the explosion needed to be a difference maker. Played 7 games over the next 3 seasons. He was unproductive this season. As strong as the kid is he got move a lot because he was beaten to the second step.

You can question the validity of these statements, but here are some views on Porter:
“To me he’s the man in the middle,” outside linebacker Denzel Perryman said. “Nobody can block him.”
Backup tackle Luther Robinson described Porter as “tough and explosive off the ball. He’s been through a lot but he never quit.”

Defensive coordinator Mark D’Onofrio and coach Al Golden have repeatedly said that Porter could be a significant talent if he could stay healthy, conditioned and maintain consistency.
“The guys have a lot of respect for him,” D’Onofrio said. “He’s flashed and shown ability and that he can have an impact on plays. What we’ve got to get him to do is have an impact on games.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/28/3590273/dt-curtis-porter-making-most-of.html
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Porter has flashed a good first step in the past. Certainly, better than whatever he's shown this year at *any* point (even early in the season when he was fresh). He hasn't flashed any consistency over his career, obviously. He's not built to be very effective at playing Nose. He had to gain 20 pounds just to get up to his current weight. He's also not a long-armed guy.

We'll see how the kid combines out. I'd suspect he'll do great at lifting and he won't do well with agility (cone work), assuming he even tests. Supposedly, the kid maintained the same weight but increased his muscle mass. He's never been explosive to the second step.

 

[LuCane]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

Because the kid is slow off the ball. 1-gap, 2-gap, the kid isn't explosive enough to do much. Let's be honest. Porter was unimpressive his true freshman season. At least he never demonstrated the explosion needed to be a difference maker. Played 7 games over the next 3 seasons. He was unproductive this season. As strong as the kid is he got move a lot because he was beaten to the second step.

You can question the validity of these statements, but here are some views on Porter:
“To me he’s the man in the middle,” outside linebacker Denzel Perryman said. “Nobody can block him.”
Backup tackle Luther Robinson described Porter as “tough and explosive off the ball. He’s been through a lot but he never quit.”

Defensive coordinator Mark D’Onofrio and coach Al Golden have repeatedly said that Porter could be a significant talent if he could stay healthy, conditioned and maintain consistency.
“The guys have a lot of respect for him,” D’Onofrio said. “He’s flashed and shown ability and that he can have an impact on plays. What we’ve got to get him to do is have an impact on games.”

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/28/3590273/dt-curtis-porter-making-most-of.html
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Porter has flashed a good first step in the past. Certainly, better than whatever he's shown this year at *any* point (even early in the season when he was fresh). He hasn't flashed any consistency over his career, obviously. He's not built to be very effective at playing Nose. He had to gain 20 pounds just to get up to his current weight. He's also not a long-armed guy.

We'll see how the kid combines out. I'd suspect he'll do great at lifting and he won't do well with agility (cone work), assuming he even tests. Supposedly, the kid maintained the same weight but increased his muscle mass. He's never been explosive to the second step.

More info:

"Next to him on the line is tackle Curtis Porter. He's up to 325 pounds after registering at 308 a year ago. Tackle Luther Robinson also added 15 pounds to 303 and second-team end Kelvin Cain is up 12 pounds to 257."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...anthony-chickillo-al-golden-conditioning-test

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Curtis Porter interview

• Has played in 7 games the last 3 seasons
• Is hoping this year will be different
• Has gained 18 pounds and is up to 325
• Benches 405, squats 535, power cleans 320
• Says with the added weight he feels more explosive, stronger, and quicker
• Has never had more than 10 tackles in a season, but had 9 tackles in 4 games last season
• Says he wants to be more productive than last year, wants to stay healthy and play the whole season
• Says the disappointing performance from the DL drives him
• Says this is his last camp and he wants to make sure he is doing everything he can with the team because this is his last year
• Says he wants to leave with something

http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/54679-Curtis-Porter-interview

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

 

[The Franchise]

The DT recruiting fails of the prior 3 years are just insanely crippling regardless of what we do schematically, but extremely highlighted in a 3-4. I don't think it has anything to do with coaches having an identity crisis, they just haven't been able to land what's needed up front, and unfortunately either way we're probably hosed up front next year, especially when combined with the disappearing LB act (EJ, GP, GT).

We don't have the ideal DL to run their scheme and carry out their defensive philosophy, but we surely have good enough DL to be doing way better than we're doing.

 

[The Franchise]

We'd have more speed on the field if we switched to the 4-3 IMO.

And Porter is one of our strongest players and still couldn't be a standout in this system. Can't wait to see who we put at that spot next year.

Can't wait to see us sign all these stud D-linemen but not have them contribute until they're Juniors. *sigh*

Because the kid is slow off the ball. 1-gap, 2-gap, the kid isn't explosive enough to do much. Let's be honest. Porter was unimpressive his true freshman season. At least he never demonstrated the explosion needed to be a difference maker. Played 7 games over the next 3 seasons. He was unproductive this season. As strong as the kid is he got move a lot because he was beaten to the second step.

I disagree completely on Porter. He showed great quickness before they asked him to blow up to 400 pounds and play pattycake.

 

[TheSwagger1]

The DT recruiting fails of the prior 3 years are just insanely crippling regardless of what we do schematically, but extremely highlighted in a 3-4. I don't think it has anything to do with coaches having an identity crisis, they just haven't been able to land what's needed up front, and unfortunately either way we're probably hosed up front next year, especially when combined with the disappearing LB act (EJ, GP, GT).

We don't have the ideal DL to run their scheme and carry out their defensive philosophy, but we surely have good enough DL to be doing way better than we're doing.

Definitely agree for this year. Next year's DT situation is Bluto Blutarsky "HOLY SHA--HITTT!" worthy.

 

[LuCane]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

 

[AtrainCane]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Our players are gaining too much weight too fast. They don't look as explosive as they should.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Yes, I'm very familiar with the preseason quotes and the hype. Miami was banking on this kid being a difference maker this year. Never saw the quickness in the kid's second step. Miami has had two kids in the last 10 years with that type of prerequisite quickness to play defensive tackle at Miami and that is Kareem Brown and Marcus Forston.

We'll agree to disagree.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

The DT recruiting fails of the prior 3 years are just insanely crippling regardless of what we do schematically, but extremely highlighted in a 3-4. I don't think it has anything to do with coaches having an identity crisis, they just haven't been able to land what's needed up front, and unfortunately either way we're probably hosed up front next year, especially when combined with the disappearing LB act (EJ, GP, GT).

We don't have the ideal DL to run their scheme and carry out their defensive philosophy, but we surely have good enough DL to be doing way better than we're doing.

Definitely agree for this year. Next year's DT situation is Bluto Blutarsky "HOLY SHA--HITTT!" worthy.

Moten has a quicker second step than anybody on the current roster at defensive tackle.

 

[rsa coral gables]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

the front seven under this scheme is vulnerable. can muhammad or mccord hold an edge? kirby is slow and unimpressive. figueroa is unproven and raw. grace is a stick.

 

[LuCane]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Yes, I'm very familiar with the preseason quotes and the hype. Miami was banking on this kid being a difference maker this year. Never saw the quickness in the kid's second step. Miami has had two kids in the last 10 years with that type of prerequisite quickness to play defensive tackle at Miami and that is Kareem Brown and Marcus Forston.

We'll agree to disagree.

Ok, fair enough. Though both of those guys, who actually latched on to NFL teams at least for a bit, would have gotten their **** pushed in playing the type of defensive tackle Porter has been asked to play here.