Personnel for a two-gap 3-4 next year

[Pentagon Cane]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Yes, I'm very familiar with the preseason quotes and the hype. Miami was banking on this kid being a difference maker this year. Never saw the quickness in the kid's second step. Miami has had two kids in the last 10 years with that type of prerequisite quickness to play defensive tackle at Miami and that is Kareem Brown and Marcus Forston.

We'll agree to disagree.

Ok, fair enough. Though both of those guys, who actually latched on to NFL teams at least for a bit, would have gotten their **** pushed in playing the type of defensive tackle Porter has been asked to play here.

True, but they were definitely MUCH better athletes than Porter. How productive who knows?

 

[OMG618]

My fear is that we'll continue to hammer this system on out players when it's painfully obvious we don't have the personnel to run it effectively.

Another fear of mine is that no matter what system we run, it'll be this passive, bend-but-don't-break, soft defense.

Agreed. I don't ever recall a coach doing a 180 on his core beliefs. Coaches are what they are and believe what they believe for the most part, and stay that way.

Every time I think we are part of the Al Groh coaching tree I want to throw-up.

 

[fivecent]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Our players are gaining too much weight too fast. They don't look as explosive as they should.

In there never ending quest to get that pesky square peg into that darn round hole, it seems the staff decided that since they didn't have natural 3-4 players, they would make themselves some 3-4 players (ala frankenstein) using 4-3 player body parts.

 

[fivecent]

My fear is that we'll continue to hammer this system on out players when it's painfully obvious we don't have the personnel to run it effectively.

Another fear of mine is that no matter what system we run, it'll be this passive, bend-but-don't-break, soft defense.

Agreed. I don't ever recall a coach doing a 180 on his core beliefs. Coaches are what they are and believe what they believe for the most part, and stay that way.

Every time I think we are part of the Al Groh coaching tree I want to throw-up.

Anybody got an axe?

 

[RiDLer80]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Our players are gaining too much weight too fast. They don't look as explosive as they should.

I definitely agree with this. We're not an athletic, explosive team. I laugh when commentators talk about "Miami Speed."

 

[The Franchise]

The DT recruiting fails of the prior 3 years are just insanely crippling regardless of what we do schematically, but extremely highlighted in a 3-4. I don't think it has anything to do with coaches having an identity crisis, they just haven't been able to land what's needed up front, and unfortunately either way we're probably hosed up front next year, especially when combined with the disappearing LB act (EJ, GP, GT).

We don't have the ideal DL to run their scheme and carry out their defensive philosophy, but we surely have good enough DL to be doing way better than we're doing.

Definitely agree for this year. Next year's DT situation is Bluto Blutarsky "HOLY SHA--HITTT!" worthy.

Moten has a quicker second step than anybody on the current roster at defensive tackle.

And he won't do a **** thing on the field for at least 2 years. That's a very tough position for a true freshmans to contribute at.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Overall, it sounds like we need to change the name of U Tough to U Slow.

 

[JHallCanes]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Our players are gaining too much weight too fast. They don't look as explosive as they should.

I definitely agree with this. We're not an athletic, explosive team. I laugh when commentators talk about "Miami Speed."

We aren't fast but it's absurd to say it's because we are gaining weight too fast.

As if any of these ******* guys were explosive before.

Our problem ain't ******* weights or S&C, it's recruiting ****** players who are neither big nor fast.

 

[moshated305]

A 2 Gap 3-4 is very difficult to run in college IMO. You need grown *** men on the DL and LB and those are hard to come by.

Understatement of the year. There are NFL teams who can't run it successfully. The Chiefs ran it and were the worst team in the league. Reid comes in, changes to an attacking one gap and they are one of the best defenses in the league. Same **** players.

 

[NVA CANE]

I don't think golden will abandon the 3-4 or his overall philosophy. It's his philosophy that got him to temple and got him his job at Miami. I think he will stick with it. I think golden firmly believes in his scheme and will most likely lose because of it

 

[FullyERicht]

Miami 4-3:

McCord/AQM 9t Kamalu/OP 3t Wyche/Moore 1t AQM/Chick 5t

4-3 Under:

Figs/Mcord -SAM Chick/Pierre 5t. Wyche/Moore 1t Kamalu/Chick 3t AQM/McCord: LEO

3-4 1-Gap:

OP/Kamalu 4i. Wyche 1i. Moore/OP 4i.

Lots of options to play a single gap front.

 

[sotacane22]

i think we will see improvement there is no one on the d line who can get pressure this year execept when mccord and quan get to play.

when we get chad thomas kamalu, moten, jelani, travonte, wyche mccord, muhhamed im sure chick and pierre will be featured maybe it will be easier for them with better talent all around but hopefully they can get pressure along with trent harris mike smith

i like fig kirby and armbrister at linebacker along with grace, juwon young, darrion owens. grace and owens should be able to stick with the crossing route receivers and tight ends. big plus if dp stays

with this talent if everybody executes we should be ok

secondary will be good. i think we get jc jackson adding another playmaker back there

 

[JHallCanes]

3-4 defense has always intrigued me at Miami because of the hybrid athletes we recruit. But as has been repeatedly pointed out, it takes an extraordinarily talented DL and we don't have anything near that.

Problem is by the time most good DL are ready to play in the 3-4, they are in the pros. I mean how many truly great NT types are 20 years old? That's a grown man position.

 

[AtrainCane]

Okay Drew, I surrender. Your boy is going day 2.

Seriously, Second Step always wins and he was getting his *** beat to the second step this year. Quite honestly, I didn't see that much that got me excited about last year getting to the second step in his limited play. The kid was outplayed by a kid who couldn't play for the Hoos this year.

Look, I'm happy the kid stayed healthy and he finished the year. That being said I was never impressed with the kid.

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Our players are gaining too much weight too fast. They don't look as explosive as they should.

I definitely agree with this. We're not an athletic, explosive team. I laugh when commentators talk about "Miami Speed."

We aren't fast but it's absurd to say it's because we are gaining weight too fast.

As if any of these ****ing guys were explosive before.

Our problem ain't ****ing weights or S&C, it's recruiting ****ty players who are neither big nor fast.

Porter and Chick were quicker before they gained 20 pounds. We didn't recruit the fastest guys, but the extra weight is not helping. We always seem to get to the play 1 step late.

 

[Coach Macho]

I look at guys like Grace and wonder where they fit into this scheme.

They really gonna try to mold him into a 3-4 ILB?

Grace reminds me of a throwback Miami LB. I can see him at about 6'2" 235lbs and running all over the **** field, chasing **** down.



And then I think about a future with this... (2015)

DE - Thomas
DT - Valentine, Kamalu
DT - Moten, Wyche
DE - McCord, AQM, Smith

SLB - Figs
MLB - Kirby
WLB - Grace


Hard for me to believe that we would suck with that line-up.

 

[LuCane]

I look at guys like Grace and wonder where they fit into this scheme.

They really gonna try to mold him into a 3-4 ILB?

Grace reminds me of a throwback Miami LB. I can see him at about 6'2" 235lbs and running all over the **** field, chasing **** down.



And then I think about a future with this... (2015)

DE - Thomas
DT - Valentine, Kamalu
DT - Moten, Wyche
DE - McCord, AQM, Smith

SLB - Figs
MLB - Kirby
WLB - Grace


Hard for me to believe that we would suck with that line-up.

With different DL assignments, I think Jelani would eventually work himself into a contributor on that team.

 

[JHallCanes]

Hey, man, you kept saying things that contradicted what I had read, so I simply showed the links. I'm not saying he's going day 2. I'm saying he's looked worse than most, including players and coaches on his own team, expected him to look. He's looked worse this year, at all points, than he looked even in those random spurts earlier in his career. It's odd.

Our players are gaining too much weight too fast. They don't look as explosive as they should.

I definitely agree with this. We're not an athletic, explosive team. I laugh when commentators talk about "Miami Speed."

We aren't fast but it's absurd to say it's because we are gaining weight too fast.

As if any of these ****ing guys were explosive before.

Our problem ain't ****ing weights or S&C, it's recruiting ****ty players who are neither big nor fast.

Porter and Chick were quicker before they gained 20 pounds. We didn't recruit the fastest guys, but the extra weight is not helping. We always seem to get to the play 1 step late.

Chick was a little quicker but he was never explosive. Not sure that's a good example. Since he has gained the weight he has a couple very good games. Porter, how could we know that? He barely played up until now. Against UiF both of those guys were animals.

Sorry but blaming this on the weight just doesn't compute IMO.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

With respect to Porter, I thought he flashed some ability his first year because he had great quickness for somebody his size. But I didnt expect much from him this year. Maybe some of it is the shstem but I just haven't seem him do anything in quite some time and reality had set in that he wasn't "that guy." He's had a lot of injuries and has lost a lot of time and just looked rather ordinary at this point. I don't think it was weight related. I suspect he's actually lost some weight, or at least that's what i recall them telling us preseason. He was really fat as a freshman probably in the 330 range.

I think they talked him up because (again) they want to be a 34 team and he was a key to that.. They wanted to make that move at some point and needed a NT. This year they committed to it on the premise that porter/renfrow could be adequate.

 

[MIA42178]

Personnel doesn't match for a 3-4. IMO.

But Golden says we are forced to play 3-4 because of talent

 

[AtrainCane]

Our players are gaining too much weight too fast. They don't look as explosive as they should.

I definitely agree with this. We're not an athletic, explosive team. I laugh when commentators talk about "Miami Speed."

We aren't fast but it's absurd to say it's because we are gaining weight too fast.

As if any of these ****ing guys were explosive before.

Our problem ain't ****ing weights or S&C, it's recruiting ****ty players who are neither big nor fast.

Porter and Chick were quicker before they gained 20 pounds. We didn't recruit the fastest guys, but the extra weight is not helping. We always seem to get to the play 1 step late.

Chick was a little quicker but he was never explosive. Not sure that's a good example. Since he has gained the weight he has a couple very good games. Porter, how could we know that? He barely played up until now. Against UiF both of those guys were animals.

Sorry but blaming this on the weight just doesn't compute IMO.

Chick wasn't explosive but he lost any quicks he had with the weight gain. He bulked up to play in this scheme. He should weigh about 260-265. Porter was a beast the last few games he played last year. Then he gained the weight and doesn't look the same. The UF game was the second game of the year and everyone played like animals that game.