Personnel for a two-gap 3-4 next year

[CANE]

Players not plays?

 

[BigDikCane]

cityboy still fooling you catz...

 

[The Franchise]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

Chick needs to drop 15lbs and get some explosion...he doesn't carry 277 well, much less bulking up to DT size.

Chick's doing what he's been told to do size-wise and scheme-wise.

 

[cowboycane]

Is it really talent if these guys can play a different scheme better than the current one? At that point doesn't it go on coaching and philosophy? I hate hearing we don't have talent because i think we do have talent. It may be young, but it's still there. We're going to have a veteran secondary next year. Our Lbs will be green, sure. Our D-line won't really be that young with Chick, Pierre, and guys like Quan and McCord have experience. I just think they're being square peg round hole -ed because our DC (and maybe HC, as some have stated) won't adapt.

We don't have the numbers of elite guys to be an elite team yet, period.

However, we do have young talent and if used correctly we can be much much better than we are. That's where the coaching comes in, in my opinion.

 

[DiegoCane]

What I do know about our talent is we have a talented secondary. Howard, Gunter, Crawford, Burns have all proven they are good CBs. Supposedly Elder looks good at CB. Bush is a talented S when healthy. Jenkins looks fine as well.

At some point you have to trust these guys. If you are going to get beat, then let your best players get beat. I hate the idea that the coaches are so afraid to get beat deep that they let teams march down the field for long drives, hoping they make a mistake along the way. Force a QB to make a few tough throws. Trusting the CBs will allow us to send more guys to rush the passer.

 

[WhatTheHell]

Whatever we do, as long as it continues to keep our best pass rusher on the sidelines for 95% of our plays, sign me up.

 

[PowerIslam aka Sumdumgoy]

Hopefully we go to a 4-3 alignment. I'd like to see Chick starting as the strong side DE with either Tyriq or AQM starting opposite him,with the other starting at OLB. We need to have these guys (17/98) on the field more in a scheme where they can get attack.

 

[DiegoCane]

Is it really talent if these guys can play a different scheme better than the current one? At that point doesn't it go on coaching and philosophy? I hate hearing we don't have talent because i think we do have talent. It may be young, but it's still there. We're going to have a veteran secondary next year. Our Lbs will be green, sure. Our D-line won't really be that young with Chick, Pierre, and guys like Quan and McCord have experience. I just think they're being square peg round hole -ed because our DC (and maybe HC, as some have stated) won't adapt.

We don't have the numbers of elite guys to be an elite team yet, period.

However, we do have young talent and if used correctly we can be much much better than we are. That's where the coaching comes in, in my opinion.

This.

Honestly their are 2 elite teams this year. The rest have flaws, either on D or O. You don't need 4* and 5* all over the place to field a decent top 30-40 defense.

 

[DiegoCane]

Hopefully we go to a 4-3 alignment. I'd like to see Chick starting as the strong side DE with either Tyriq or AQM starting opposite him,with the other starting at OLB. We need to have these guys (17/98) on the field more in a scheme where they can get attack.

If we run a 4-3 I don't see anyway in **** AQM or McCord could be an OLB. Figs-Kirby-Grace in a 4-3.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

If this team switched to a 4-3, it would cause me personally to question whether they have any idea whatsoever of what they even want to do on defense. They could've played 43 this year and been equally as bad. The reason they played 34 presumably is because that's their identity and what they want to become. Then their job is to recruit and develop the players for that. I think most (including myself to be fair) are just sick of Dono and looking for *something* and talent-wise you could argue that 43 is just as good or better, but I again question what it would mean on a bigger program level that we have a defense-based head coach and his long-term DC wondering 4 years in what style of defense they want to play. It would raise major questions IMO and I don't see it happening. If Dono comes back we're likely to see more of the same over-emphasis on being "multiple" which might create the same level of player confusion.

 

[PowerIslam aka Sumdumgoy]

Hopefully we go to a 4-3 alignment. I'd like to see Chick starting as the strong side DE with either Tyriq or AQM starting opposite him,with the other starting at OLB. We need to have these guys (17/98) on the field more in a scheme where they can get attack.

If we run a 4-3 I don't see anyway in **** AQM or McCord could be an OLB. Figs-Kirby-Grace in a 4-3.

U may be right. Not even strong side? What about In a 3-4 w/both guys putting their hand in the dirt on 3rd & long?

 

[DiegoCane]

FWIW, I don't think we go to a 4-3. I just think we will get murdered if we run the same 3-4 2 gap system as this year.

Coaches are extremely stubborn. I think D'O and Al still think their system is going to work despite overwhelming evidence that it is not.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Hopefully we go to a 4-3 alignment. I'd like to see Chick starting as the strong side DE with either Tyriq or AQM starting opposite him,with the other starting at OLB. We need to have these guys (17/98) on the field more in a scheme where they can get attack.

If we run a 4-3 I don't see anyway in **** AQM or McCord could be an OLB. Figs-Kirby-Grace in a 4-3.

Yeah McCord and aqm would be de's in a 4-3.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Many people (including Wildcat and gogeta) have been saying for a while that Miami would struggle to recruit the big, physical front seven players necessary to run this scheme. We saw that with this year's team. Looking at next year's personnel, the fit will be even worse.

NT- The most important position in this scheme will be the weakest spot on next year's roster. Curtis Porter and Justin Renfrow are gone, and Earl Moore and Corey King are below-average players. Michael Wyche has size but is raw. The other JUCO DTs on the radar (Claude Pelon and Corey Johnson) are explosive, one-gap players. Who starts here?

DE- Olsen Pierre theoretically has the length and size to hold up as a two-gap DE, but he struggled in that role this year. Anthony Chickillo is fine. Jelani Hamilton never developed. Ufomba Kamalu has the body for it but not the technique or leverage. He gets pushed back and makes his plays on athleticism. Anthony Moten played this spot in high school, but the more I watch him the more I see a quick-off-the-ball three technique.

ILB- How effective can you be in a 3-4 when you don't have linebackers? I expect Denzel Perryman to go pro. Raphael Kirby has struggled and has not shown great ability to fight through traffic or get off blockers. Thurston Armbrister may move inside and is Coach D's personal project, but he has played poorly since the UF game. Alex Figueroa could fit inside but is unproven and didn't play there this year. Jermaine Grace is a 205-pound kid that projects best as a 4-3 WILL.

OLB- Shayon Green is no star, but he will be sorely missed as a run-defender. Armbrister played outside this year without distinction. Tyriq McCord is theoretically the guy here, but he looked best when rushing as a down lineman. His lateral movement is lacking and he quite frankly looks subpar as a linebacker. Muhammad also looks better rushing as a down lineman.

I expect Coach D to stay, but I'd be shocked if there aren't major adjustments next year based on personnel alone.

Danny, you haven't been listening to Golden.

We aren't executing. We aren't tackling. We aren't finishing plays.

And our defensive problems are because we can't convert on third down.

 

[DiegoCane]

Hopefully we go to a 4-3 alignment. I'd like to see Chick starting as the strong side DE with either Tyriq or AQM starting opposite him,with the other starting at OLB. We need to have these guys (17/98) on the field more in a scheme where they can get attack.

If we run a 4-3 I don't see anyway in **** AQM or McCord could be an OLB. Figs-Kirby-Grace in a 4-3.

U may be right. Not even strong side? What about In a 3-4 w/both guys putting their hand in the dirt on 3rd & long?

It sort of seems like that is the plan right now. Something like Pierre-Wyche-Chick. McCord, Figs/Armbrister, Kirby, AQM. Seems like that lineup would get killed in pass coverage but we do already.

I just have no idea because we have to get our most explosive athletes on the field but a few of them don't fit the current system. Frustrating.

 

[PowerIslam aka Sumdumgoy]

Hopefully we go to a 4-3 alignment. I'd like to see Chick starting as the strong side DE with either Tyriq or AQM starting opposite him,with the other starting at OLB. We need to have these guys (17/98) on the field more in a scheme where they can get attack.

If we run a 4-3 I don't see anyway in **** AQM or McCord could be an OLB. Figs-Kirby-Grace in a 4-3.

Yeah McCord and aqm would be de's in a 4-3.

Thats what I'd prefer,but i don't think theres any way coaches keep Chick off the field as a starter. Would be a good 3 man rotation though

 

[cowboycane]

If this team switched to a 4-3, it would cause me personally to question whether they have any idea whatsoever of what they even want to do on defense. They could've played 43 this year and been equally as bad. The reason they played 34 presumably is because that's their identity and what they want to become. Then their job is to recruit and develop the players for that. I think most (including myself to be fair) are just sick of Dono and looking for *something* and talent-wise you could argue that 43 is just as good or better, but I again question what it would mean on a bigger program level that we have a defense-based head coach and his long-term DC wondering 4 years in what style of defense they want to play. It would raise major questions IMO and I don't see it happening. If Dono comes back we're likely to see more of the same over-emphasis on being "multiple" which might create the same level of player confusion.

Bottom line: good coaches change what they do when necessary. They are slaves to winning, not schemes. Witness: Bellichick. We can still be a 3-4 if that's what they want, but they have to get out best talent on the field more often and they have to start dictating pace, not the other way around. Being a true 2 gape 3-4 won't allow us to do that; we just don't have the personnel.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

If this team switched to a 4-3, it would cause me personally to question whether they have any idea whatsoever of what they even want to do on defense. They could've played 43 this year and been equally as bad. The reason they played 34 presumably is because that's their identity and what they want to become. Then their job is to recruit and develop the players for that. I think most (including myself to be fair) are just sick of Dono and looking for *something* and talent-wise you could argue that 43 is just as good or better, but I again question what it would mean on a bigger program level that we have a defense-based head coach and his long-term DC wondering 4 years in what style of defense they want to play. It would raise major questions IMO and I don't see it happening. If Dono comes back we're likely to see more of the same over-emphasis on being "multiple" which might create the same level of player confusion.

I don't see it like that at all. Someone literally just beat me to the punch, in the post above, but I think a coach adapting scheme to fit players, with the sole purpose of winning no matter what, is the mark of a good coach, contrary to what you are implying. Perhaps this isn't what you meant, but it's how I read it.

 

[PowerIslam aka Sumdumgoy]

Hopefully we go to a 4-3 alignment. I'd like to see Chick starting as the strong side DE with either Tyriq or AQM starting opposite him,with the other starting at OLB. We need to have these guys (17/98) on the field more in a scheme where they can get attack.

If we run a 4-3 I don't see anyway in **** AQM or McCord could be an OLB. Figs-Kirby-Grace in a 4-3.

U may be right. Not even strong side? What about In a 3-4 w/both guys putting their hand in the dirt on 3rd & long?

It sort of seems like that is the plan right now. Something like Pierre-Wyche-Chick. McCord, Figs/Armbrister, Kirby, AQM. Seems like that lineup would get killed in pass coverage but we do already.

I just have no idea because we have to get our most explosive athletes on the field but a few of them don't fit the current system. Frustrating.

I feel the same way man

 

[5Ringz]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

That's a $ hit load of stars on that defensive line up next year. Highly rated recruits at every position.

If Golden and Dorito can't get it done with this group then they can't with any and they need to go