Personnel for a two-gap 3-4 next year

[DiegoCane]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

That's a $ hit load of stars on that defensive line up next year. Highly rated recruits at every position.

If Golden and Dorito can't get it done with this group then they can't with any and they need to go

IMO that lineup would get destroyed vs the run.

 

[BigCaneAl]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

Chick needs to drop 15lbs and get some explosion...he doesn't carry 277 well, much less bulking up to DT size.

Chick's doing what he's been told to do size-wise and scheme-wise.

Agree, and I think he's being misused

 

[fivecent]

Many people (including Wildcat and gogeta) have been saying for a while that Miami would struggle to recruit the big, physical front seven players necessary to run this scheme. We saw that with this year's team. Looking at next year's personnel, the fit will be even worse.

NT- The most important position in this scheme will be the weakest spot on next year's roster. Curtis Porter and Justin Renfrow are gone, and Earl Moore and Corey King are below-average players. Michael Wyche has size but is raw. The other JUCO DTs on the radar (Claude Pelon and Corey Johnson) are explosive, one-gap players. Who starts here?

DE- Olsen Pierre theoretically has the length and size to hold up as a two-gap DE, but he struggled in that role this year. Anthony Chickillo is fine. Jelani Hamilton never developed. Ufomba Kamalu has the body for it but not the technique or leverage. He gets pushed back and makes his plays on athleticism. Anthony Moten played this spot in high school, but the more I watch him the more I see a quick-off-the-ball three technique.

ILB- How effective can you be in a 3-4 when you don't have linebackers? I expect Denzel Perryman to go pro. Raphael Kirby has struggled and has not shown great ability to fight through traffic or get off blockers. Thurston Armbrister may move inside and is Coach D's personal project, but he has played poorly since the UF game. Alex Figueroa could fit inside but is unproven and didn't play there this year. Jermaine Grace is a 205-pound kid that projects best as a 4-3 WILL.

OLB- Shayon Green is no star, but he will be sorely missed as a run-defender. Armbrister played outside this year without distinction. Tyriq McCord is theoretically the guy here, but he looked best when rushing as a down lineman. His lateral movement is lacking and he quite frankly looks subpar as a linebacker. Muhammad also looks better rushing as a down lineman.

I expect Coach D to stay, but I'd be shocked if there aren't major adjustments next year based on personnel alone.

You know Dmoney, I had placed all my hopes and dreams and deepest heart felt desires in the thought that the guys coming in would fit this system and we might have a tiny bit of defensive success next year. Thanks for ripping out my soul and grinding it to dust under your dirty boot heel.

 

[LA\^/]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

That's a $ hit load of stars on that defensive line up next year. Highly rated recruits at every position.

If Golden and Dorito can't get it done with this group then they can't with any and they need to go

IMO that lineup would get destroyed vs the run.

Yup, idk what these guys are talking about because we'd give up 500 rushing ypg lol. The DEs in that scheme are both pass rushers and unless the improve drastically over the off season, i expect them to be relatively the same as sophomores against the run.

Regardless, it's kinda of pointless to talk about the players we have now and how they correlate to different schemes because Al is going to have to get more transfers on the D line AGAIN. Hopefully he gets a difference maker, primarily at the nose.

 

[pcitycane]

to some of you guys who have carter penciled in as a safety, what besides his high school film makes you think he will be ready for PT next year, besides the fact that there is noone else of course? in limited pt i have seen from carter this year he just looks lost as ****. freshmen will look that way sometimes, but i hope he drastically improves over the off season because we are going to need him.

 

[nycane]

i must be nuts but kamalu was in the backfield more than any dl-man the last 2 weeks.

 

[ssj4cane]

Team will get beat up even worse next year with the same scheme and philosophy. Unless Al has been told he has unlimited time to get this thing turned around I don't see how they can continue down this path.

 

[Miami82]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

Chick needs to drop 15lbs and get some explosion...he doesn't carry 277 well, much less bulking up to DT size.

Yep Chick should be playing at 255/260.

 

[RiDLer80]

My fear is that we'll continue to hammer this system on out players when it's painfully obvious we don't have the personnel to run it effectively.

Another fear of mine is that no matter what system we run, it'll be this passive, bend-but-don't-break, soft defense.

 

[Pennmed Canefan]

If this team switched to a 4-3, it would cause me personally to question whether they have any idea whatsoever of what they even want to do on defense. They could've played 43 this year and been equally as bad. The reason they played 34 presumably is because that's their identity and what they want to become. Then their job is to recruit and develop the players for that. I think most (including myself to be fair) are just sick of Dono and looking for *something* and talent-wise you could argue that 43 is just as good or better, but I again question what it would mean on a bigger program level that we have a defense-based head coach and his long-term DC wondering 4 years in what style of defense they want to play. It would raise major questions IMO and I don't see it happening. If Dono comes back we're likely to see more of the same over-emphasis on being "multiple" which might create the same level of player confusion.

I don't see it like that at all. Someone literally just beat me to the punch, in the post above, but I think a coach adapting scheme to fit players, with the sole purpose of winning no matter what, is the mark of a good coach, contrary to what you are implying. Perhaps this isn't what you meant, but it's how I read it.

How many teams do you guys see that switch their front/philosophy year to year? Pro or college?

Once you decide what you want to do, you recruit the players that fit your system and develop them to play your system. Teams that have no philosophy aren't recruiting and developing their players correctly IMO. We had every opportunity to be a 4-3 team--could've taken our lumps that way. We chose to be what we are. They won't go back unless new coaches are brought in IMO.

 

[bes628]

If this team switched to a 4-3, it would cause me personally to question whether they have any idea whatsoever of what they even want to do on defense. They could've played 43 this year and been equally as bad. The reason they played 34 presumably is because that's their identity and what they want to become. Then their job is to recruit and develop the players for that. I think most (including myself to be fair) are just sick of Dono and looking for *something* and talent-wise you could argue that 43 is just as good or better, but I again question what it would mean on a bigger program level that we have a defense-based head coach and his long-term DC wondering 4 years in what style of defense they want to play. It would raise major questions IMO and I don't see it happening. If Dono comes back we're likely to see more of the same over-emphasis on being "multiple" which might create the same level of player confusion.

I don't see it like that at all. Someone literally just beat me to the punch, in the post above, but I think a coach adapting scheme to fit players, with the sole purpose of winning no matter what, is the mark of a good coach, contrary to what you are implying. Perhaps this isn't what you meant, but it's how I read it.

How many teams do you guys see that switch their front/philosophy year to year? Pro or college?

Once you decide what you want to do, you recruit the players that fit your system and develop them to play your system. Teams that have no philosophy aren't recruiting and developing their players correctly IMO. We had every opportunity to be a 4-3 team--could've taken our lumps that way. We chose to be what we are. They won't go back unless new coaches are brought in IMO.

Problem is the guys their recruiting still fit a 4-3 better.

 

[HurricaneVision]

Nothing changes until the mindset changes.

Doesn't matter the team, doesn't matter the offense. Sitting back and letting the offense dictate whatever they want to do and relying on them to make mistakes will see the same results.

That scheme we ran yesterday didn't give us a chance in **** of keeping an offense below 300 yards, and of course we gave up 500.

Bad teams will drop passes- or pass the ball at all, despite the fact they're running for at least 5 yards every play- but good teams won't make those mistakes will roll train all game on that scheme.

The OLB crashed inside and we had no one even attempting to set the edge on half those plays yesterday. The edge is soft. The zone behind it is soft.

You can win games running a 3-4 Under, but you aren't going to win championships putting zero pressure on the passer, not setting an edge, and letting receivers get a free release.

Players, not a fit. Scheme, not a fit. Good changes make themselves fit, and not force the players to fit. We run the same stuff next year, it might get worse.

 

[sstcane]

Saban has started playing more 4 down linemen to match his personnel. If we are better suited to the 4-3 then that's what we should play.

We should be a multiple 4-3 front with Over and Under formations.

Chick - Wyche - Pierre - AQM
Hamilton - Moore - Valentine - McCord

Figueroa. Kirby. Perryman (I pray)
Owens. Young. Grace
Armbrister (special teams only)

Figs I think has te physical ability as a Sam and with a full off season will be ready to play. He has the ability to rush the passer and can set the edge. Also the speed to play coverage. Owens is one of the most intriguing prospects and I would rather see him on the field than Armbrister.

Kirby needs to show big improvements. He looked lost in coverage yesterday. Other than one play where he tipped the ball, he was letting receivers run by him without rerouting them. Against USF he showed me some downhill run stuffing ability. He will be a key to the D next year. Blue is a question mark, haven't seen enough of him. Young has the size and physicality to get some burn as a freshman.

Perryman if he returns is much better suited as a 4-3 will backer than a 2- gap ILB. He is a good tackler, but needs to improve on his pass drops and recognition. Grace hasn't done much this year, but most guys make the biggest improvement after their first year.

One thing I hate about the defense is there is no pre snap movement or anything to cause confusion for the QB. We sit with 2 high safeties and the QB checks to a run an they gash us for 7-12 yards. We need to rotate to a safety in the box 1 high D to stop that.

So many things broken with this D that I can't believe they won't change the DC. Averaging 500 yds against with that soft schedule full of low ranked offenses is crazy.

 

[weownfsu]

So basically we have nobody at linebacker in year 4?

Kill me.

 

[weownfsu]

My fear is that we'll continue to hammer this system on out players when it's painfully obvious we don't have the personnel to run it effectively.

Another fear of mine is that no matter what system we run, it'll be this passive, bend-but-don't-break, soft defense.

It's going to be that because that's the coaches' mentality. We could run a blitz heavy scheme and come up and challenge the LOS constantly, but we'd run it softly and still look like were playing patty cake.

 

[AtrainCane]

So assuming we switch to a 4-3, who are the starters?

DE-Muhammad
DT-Chickillo
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord
WLB-Grace
MLB-Kirby
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard
CB-Burns
FS-Bush
SS-Carter

That's a $ hit load of stars on that defensive line up next year. Highly rated recruits at every position.

If Golden and Dorito can't get it done with this group then they can't with any and they need to go

IMO that lineup would get destroyed vs the run.

Yup, idk what these guys are talking about because we'd give up 500 rushing ypg lol. The DEs in that scheme are both pass rushers and unless the improve drastically over the off season, i expect them to be relatively the same as sophomores against the run.

Regardless, it's kinda of pointless to talk about the players we have now and how they correlate to different schemes because Al is going to have to get more transfers on the D line AGAIN. Hopefully he gets a difference maker, primarily at the nose.

500 rushing vs. 500 overall. What's the difference? If we play downhill and aggressive that group would have TFL's out the ***.

 

[mavericksouth]

Get rid of this stupid effin' scheme.

 

[NVA CANE]

If this team switched to a 4-3, it would cause me personally to question whether they have any idea whatsoever of what they even want to do on defense. They could've played 43 this year and been equally as bad. The reason they played 34 presumably is because that's their identity and what they want to become. Then their job is to recruit and develop the players for that. I think most (including myself to be fair) are just sick of Dono and looking for *something* and talent-wise you could argue that 43 is just as good or better, but I again question what it would mean on a bigger program level that we have a defense-based head coach and his long-term DC wondering 4 years in what style of defense they want to play. It would raise major questions IMO and I don't see it happening. If Dono comes back we're likely to see more of the same over-emphasis on being "multiple" which might create the same level of player confusion.

I don't see it like that at all. Someone literally just beat me to the punch, in the post above, but I think a coach adapting scheme to fit players, with the sole purpose of winning no matter what, is the mark of a good coach, contrary to what you are implying. Perhaps this isn't what you meant, but it's how I read it.

How many teams do you guys see that switch their front/philosophy year to year? Pro or college?

Once you decide what you want to do, you recruit the players that fit your system and develop them to play your system. Teams that have no philosophy aren't recruiting and developing their players correctly IMO. We had every opportunity to be a 4-3 team--could've taken our lumps that way. We chose to be what we are. They won't go back unless new coaches are brought in IMO.

And they will be fired for it. Coaches should adapt to their realities. If their players don't fit the scheme then they should change the scheme. I agree with you in the sense that after 4 years, coaches shouldn't be trying to figure out their defensive scheme. Golden and Dorito are lost.

 

[TheSwagger1]

The DT recruiting fails of the prior 3 years are just insanely crippling regardless of what we do schematically, but extremely highlighted in a 3-4. I don't think it has anything to do with coaches having an identity crisis, they just haven't been able to land what's needed up front, and unfortunately either way we're probably hosed up front next year, especially when combined with the disappearing LB act (EJ, GP, GT).

 

[NVA CANE]

DE-Muhammad Highly Recruited
DT-Chickillo Highly Recruited
DT-Pierre
DE-McCord Highly Recruited
WLB-Grace Highly Recruited
MLB-Kirby Highly Recruited
SLB-Figueroa
CB-Howard Highly Recruited 5 Star
CB-Burns Highly Recruited
FS-Bush Highly Recruited
SS-Carter Highly recruited

If you can't win with that line up then you will never get it done.