Our Admin and the NCAA

[deleted3746]

Tom, is that you?

U know that it is. U and him need go back to RCT before the mods over there give u a timeout.

 

[CaneGrad05]

I really don't think of the non-revenue sports the same as I do baseball, football, and men's basketball. It's great if we do well, but I don't care that much if women
s soccer, volleyball, etc. aren't good. So, viewing the AD and revenue sports, here's how I score Shalala's hires/extensions:
A.D.: extended Dee, hired Hocutt, Hired Eichhorst, Letting James run the show for now. Maybe 1-4 good, three clear fails. Dee was past his prime and over his head, Dee and Hocutt let Shapiro run well, Eichorst was a joke from day one from this job. Not impressed at all with James so far, but we'll see.
Football: Hired Coker, Hired Shannon, Hired Golden. Score: 0-2, jury is still out on Golden.
Basketball: Extended or hired Clark (I honestly don't remember which), Hired Haith, Hired Larranaga. Score: 0 good hires, 1 might work out but looks bad right now, 1 absolute travesty, 1 over his head.
Baseball: Extended Morris. Can't argue with that historically, but I'll contend he's staying one contract too long.
There's one constant, and that's Shalala. She has no business hiring coaches or athletic directors. Her record is beyond terrible in sports that matter (e.g., can pay for themselves and other sports). Letting her hire the next athletic department would be the dumbest thing the board of trustees could do. Unfortunately I have no confidence in them either.

Well, first of all, baseball and basketball are non-revenue sports at 99% of college programs, so I suppose we'll need to take that characterization with a grain of salt.

I laugh at your characterizations of two guys who received major promotions in the AD world a failure and a joke, but whatever. You clearly have your stance and are not going to back down. I'm not saying they were great or even good, but not failures or jokes.

Larry Coker was already the head coach when Donna Shalala became President, but don't let facts get in the way here. Randy Shannon was a terrible hire.

Shalala neither hired nor extended Perry Clark, but again, don't let facts in the way here. Shalala (since we're blaming Shalala for all AD decisions, she gets credit for them as well, I'm sure) fired Perry Clark despite having three years remaining on the contract. Haith was over his head, but hardly could you characterize that as a poor hire. The only way someone characterizes Larranaga as a bad hire is if they know nothing about basketball. Based on your other comments, I think we can safely assume you don't follow the sport too closely.

You don't fire or tell Jim Morris when he gets to stop coaching. Perhaps you suggest some changes, but a guy with his success decides when he goes, so long as the program is not tanking a la FSU a few years ago. While not CWS material, I don't think anyone would suggest the baseball program is tanking.

As to your last paragraph, most people blame the Shalala but don't understand the Board of Trustees approves all hires as well. As to your comment on "sports that matter," again, outside of football, our sports are not paying for themselves.

 

[hoops156]

I'm in shock that our administration would even consider sharing a venue with FIU. That is astonishing and I don't truly believe that myth either as there is no reason for FIU to share its stadium with UofM. How humiliating for a University such as Miami to feel the desperation so deeply that it crawls down the road to a ask supremely lesser university for a pound of bread to eat.

That alone should serve as evidence of the administrative failure at UofM

I would hate to trivialize this issue with comments such as the building a new Rat, RIP old Rat. RIP old friend. As I said, somehow it manages to be within the means of many private universities in CFB. I believe one of them beat the #1 team in the country this past saturday. I'm certain UM isn't inferior to a small baptist college in Texas. What do you think?

I don't follow your comments on only fans viewing a stadium as an issue. Please exain this point because it is an important one.

The stadium issue is all encompassing. It has a great affect on our students (my son), our alumni (my family), our ability to build a financial structure for the athletics department that allows for increased profits in the cash cow sport. Those non-shared profits fund all other athletics, help sustain and maintain facilities, help retain and hire talented human resources, it obviously helps recruiting tremendously when you eliminate what is in my mind the only true negative to playing at Miami. Unfortunately that negative is symbolic of larger issues a play which contribute to sports administrative struggles in the AD

This stadium issue is at the core of UofM's problems. Those who fail to see this simply lack an understanding of intercollegiate athletics, how they are funded and sustained. A football stadium is an enormous financial tool to an athletic department. There is a great reason why schools continue to build new ones where old ones did not exist, rebuild and expand existing stadiums and move away from NFL or off campus facilities and build privately owned in campus stadiums. It certainly is not because they are all business dumb and UofM is setting the bar in savvy financing.

you do realize tech the last game at the oB was a FIU home game right?

also thats fine it is key and all that but where do you want to build it? tropical park? we have to buy the land from the county. and doesnt matter if you dont believe it no one really cares if you believe it or not. stanford built an on campus stadium bc their freakin campus is known as the farm. have you been to stanford before? ive been there and that campus is one of the largest if the not the largest in the country. they built a 40ishk seat stadium. their endowment is also 17 billion as of august 12 2012. you cant compare many schools to miami bc of the location. the school most like us would be USC. if anything they should be our model for athletics. we dont have a lot of land, the city does not need UM to survive like other college towns such as South Bend. im curious were u begging for a stadium in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s when we won big and played in the OB. u say ur an alum but if u set foot on campus find me a spot for a stadium. please find me a spot. do u know how strict gables is? u cant have a pickup in ur own **** driveway in gables. they shut down a concert on campus bc it went past 12. do u know how quickly an on campus stadium proposal would be killed by gables. they do not want to deal w the traffic in their area, the noise. US1 is already the worst road ever in terms of traffic. with an on campus stadium it would take 4 hours to get down there.

It's beyond easy to find room for a stadium on campus. We have all sorts of useless crap that serves no purpose being on campus.

Knock down Stanford & Hecht (students can live somewhere else), demolish the music school (music isn't even a real subject), scrap that huge new student academic productivity building place thing that they're making now (they tore down the Rat for that thing anyway), drain the lake and fill it with concrete (the lake has dangerous crocodiles), turn the IM fields into a parking garage (only scrubs play on the IM fields), and take out Eaton if that isn't enough room (nobody cares about Eaton anyway). Boom. On campus stadium.

Consider yourself enlightened.

i see the light!

btw i know u were talking bout baylor but i always considered oregon the better of the two (kstate and oregon). baylor is in waco texas (their main campus, they have a med school in houston i think). what the **** is in waco. is it as strict as coral gables. is their campus larger than Miami's and not landlocked as UMs undergrad campus is. if so then send me their presidents number and we can get him/her to talk to the BOT down in gables. remember miamis campus is in the middle of a residential neighborhood essentially. really hard to expand any further than what is already there bc there is something called homes around every part of it except the front where there is a nice elevated train track known as the metro rail and in front of that is Useless 1. where should we go? u mean red road next to the UV which houses up and down it? there is a small patch of green grass a street away from where pearson and mahoney are located (right before stanford dr) lets just put a stadium there like were playing rollar coaster tycoon or sim city lol

 

[Scanedalous]

Oh please scandedalous. Show me the athletic departments you consider bastions of success. The Nick Sabans of the world? Why wasn't Alabama- one of the biggest, most rabid fanbases in the world- relevant for a decade? Why were they relying on Bill Curry and Little Shula? Why was Florida, coming off of Steve ****ing Spurrier, hiring Ron Zook and struggling for years? Did Notre Dame's athletic department just fold up shop in 1985? Did the school president and AD at Syracuse go pro when Donovan McNabb did? Did Nebraska forget how to play football when Tom Osbourne retired or was it the President ******** everything up? Was USC still playing football before Pete Carroll came back?

Because they made poor hires. This can happen to any program, as you stated. However those programs are not limited in hiring talent at any level. It is very basic business and I'm not sure why some of our fans seem to think Miami is above this basic concept of attracting talented human resources. Miami can make a great hire and will still be faced with large limitations do to its inability to pay for staffers, retain coaches, fund basic aspects of the program like recruiting budgets etc

I won't try to convince you if you believe our issue is solely based on making 1 poor hire. It's a severely flawed and narrow perspective, but you certainly are entitled to it. I don't believe I need to single out the successful athletics departments who operate very well and maintain stability even in tough times. Those are obvious. It is obvious that currently we are not that and previous success on between the lines hasn't been enough to make it so. At those schools all they need is one good hire. Everything else is in place.

 

[Scanedalous]

Also, where did we make poor hires in the athletic department while Donna Shalala has been President? Name them for me.

Athletic Directors: Both took promotions to higher paying, more responsibility positions

Baseball Coach: Hired Before Donna

Men's Basketball Coach: Hired Frank Haith, who was one of the well-regarded assistants in college basketball at the time. I thought he had major shortcomings while he was here, but when he left for a higher profile position, we hired one of the best regarded coaches in the country.

Women's Basketball Coach: Fired the most successful coach EVER at Miami, and replaced her with a coach that has turned us into a dominant program

Women's Volleyball: We're leading the ACC, so I guess that's a success

Our tennis programs are consistently among the top teams in the country.

Our track coach was the US Olympic team coach, so she probably has some semblance of a clue as to what she's doing.

Exactly what hires are you complaining about in the athletic department, since it's not just football? Women's golf? Cross country?

Surely you can't be serious given that this is the worst era in Miami athletics in the last 25 years. If you feel that the Hocutts, Eichorsts 2 failed football coaches, 2 failed basketball coaches, were not poor hires and simply unlucky misfortune then I suppose we aren't going to find a common ground here.

The rest of the collegiate sports world views our university as a circus sideshow. All of our of our major sports are failing. Our football program is going on its second major probation in 15 years. Our basketball program cannot make the MCAA tournament and is about to go on probation. Our baseball program cannot make the college world series and is a shadow of its former self and has also been on probation twice in the last 15 years.

And we are to believe that all things are going smoothly on San Amaro drive? I appreciate your zest, but sir you are ignoring some realities that should not be ignored. It's dangerous to do so. It is how our major sports seem to all be failing and finding the NCAA's wrath. This does not happen when "Good" hires are made at all levels and also given the support required to perform their jobs at a high level.

 

[hoops156]

Also, where did we make poor hires in the athletic department while Donna Shalala has been President? Name them for me.

Athletic Directors: Both took promotions to higher paying, more responsibility positions

Baseball Coach: Hired Before Donna

Men's Basketball Coach: Hired Frank Haith, who was one of the well-regarded assistants in college basketball at the time. I thought he had major shortcomings while he was here, but when he left for a higher profile position, we hired one of the best regarded coaches in the country.

Women's Basketball Coach: Fired the most successful coach EVER at Miami, and replaced her with a coach that has turned us into a dominant program

Women's Volleyball: We're leading the ACC, so I guess that's a success

Our tennis programs are consistently among the top teams in the country.

Our track coach was the US Olympic team coach, so she probably has some semblance of a clue as to what she's doing.

Exactly what hires are you complaining about in the athletic department, since it's not just football? Women's golf? Cross country?

Surely you can't be serious given that this is the worst era in Miami athletics in the last 25 years. If you feel that the Hocutts, Eichorsts 2 failed football coaches, 2 failed basketball coaches, were not poor hires and simply unlucky misfortune then I suppose we aren't going to find a common ground here.

The rest of the collegiate sports world views our university as a circus sideshow. All of our of our major sports are failing. Our football program is going on its second major probation in 15 years. Our basketball program cannot make the MCAA tournament and is about to go on probation. Our baseball program cannot make the college world series and is a shadow of its former self and has also been on probation twice in the last 15 years.

And we are to believe that all things are going smoothly on San Amaro drive? I appreciate your zest, but sir you are ignoring some realities that should not be ignored. It's dangerous to do so. It is how our major sports seem to all be failing and finding the NCAA's wrath. This does not happen when "Good" hires are made at all levels and also given the support required to perform their jobs at a high level.

so what if a good coach finds the wrath of the NCAA. is it a still a good hire?

 

[CaneGrad05]

Also, where did we make poor hires in the athletic department while Donna Shalala has been President? Name them for me.

Athletic Directors: Both took promotions to higher paying, more responsibility positions

Baseball Coach: Hired Before Donna

Men's Basketball Coach: Hired Frank Haith, who was one of the well-regarded assistants in college basketball at the time. I thought he had major shortcomings while he was here, but when he left for a higher profile position, we hired one of the best regarded coaches in the country.

Women's Basketball Coach: Fired the most successful coach EVER at Miami, and replaced her with a coach that has turned us into a dominant program

Women's Volleyball: We're leading the ACC, so I guess that's a success

Our tennis programs are consistently among the top teams in the country.

Our track coach was the US Olympic team coach, so she probably has some semblance of a clue as to what she's doing.

Exactly what hires are you complaining about in the athletic department, since it's not just football? Women's golf? Cross country?

Surely you can't be serious given that this is the worst era in Miami athletics in the last 25 years. If you feel that the Hocutts, Eichorsts 2 failed football coaches, 2 failed basketball coaches, were not poor hires and simply unlucky misfortune then I suppose we aren't going to find a common ground here.

The rest of the collegiate sports world views our university as a circus sideshow. All of our of our major sports are failing. Our football program is going on its second major probation in 15 years. Our basketball program cannot make the MCAA tournament and is about to go on probation. Our baseball program cannot make the college world series and is a shadow of its former self and has also been on probation twice in the last 15 years.

And we are to believe that all things are going smoothly on San Amaro drive? I appreciate your zest, but sir you are ignoring some realities that should not be ignored. It's dangerous to do so. It is how our major sports seem to all be failing and finding the NCAA's wrath. This does not happen when "Good" hires are made at all levels and also given the support required to perform their jobs at a high level.

You're blaming Donna for Perry Clark? She fired him. You're blaming Donna for Frank Haith? He was a well-regarded hire at the time, that ultimately, did not meet the level of success we were *hoping* for, but let's not pretend that our basketball program was some model of sustained success over the previous 25 years. Not to mention, it's not her ******* job to hire the basketball coach. It's her job to hire people that hire the basketball coach. Regardless, I have/had zero problems with the hiring of Frank Haith considering the lack of support for our basketball program and the amount of money given to the basketball program. He couldn't take the program to the next step, but to replace Haith with Larranaga was a fantastic hire.

The rest of collegiate sports world views our university as a circus sideshow? What are you even talking about? Our basketball program has NEVER been a consistent NCAA tournament team. I'm pretty sure nobody outside of Coral Gables, and probably even within, do not give a **** about our basketball program. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be more competitive than we are, but we're not exactly trotting out Auburn's basketball team either.

The baseball program hasn't made the CWS in 3 years, which is a lifetime for Miami fans, but hardly would ANYONE consider our baseball program a circus sideshow. A shadow would be failing to make the NCAA tournament- which we have still done. I'd argue the economic recession has had a tremendous impact on our baseball program, but that's really not a point of this discussion.

There's a big difference between your statement about this being the "worst era in Miami athletics" and "all things going smoothly." I'm not ignoring any realities about our athletic department. It is in desperate need of a person committed to the University of Miami, and not just a temporary jumping stone to a different athletic position.

 

[Gennaker Cane]

I'll concede that baseball is a non-revenue sports at most schools, but I've followed the baseball progam for years and am pretty sure we're an exception. At least that's what people who were considered insiders on Grassy told us for years. We may not make money on baseball, but I think the team pays for itself. 2) Perry Clark coached at UM from 2000-2004. Shalala became president of UM in 2001. Wasn't Clark extended in 2001 or 2002? Maybe I'm wrong, but that's not the way I remember it. 3) Re: Eichhorst, On what planet is a guy who refuses to talk to the media, bolts at the first opportunity to leave, and ****es off all major donors, considered anything other than a failure? 4) If Shalala didn't hire Coker (as I recall she had been hired by the school but I don't recall when she started work), she did extend Coker, corrrect? Or did she delegate both duties to Dee? I know he stuck around longer than was necessary to know things weren't working out. 5) I'm judging Larranaga on results, not reputation. He might work out, or we might continue losing to St. Leo and Fl. Gulf Coast. We'll see. I do follow the sport, know what he did before he got to UM, was hopeful when he came on board, but you have to produce. 6) Morris, like I said, can't argue with that one historically, just not sure we're not getting ourselves into a Bowden situation. 7) Re: the BOT is that I used to believe that, until I read numerous times that Shalala gets what she wants. And as for sports that pay for themselves, good God, if basketball isn't paying for itself with the revenue from the ACC affiliation and the new arena, we still have major problems. I know they weren't a rubber stamp for Foote, I hope they're not now, but am not seeing the evidence as it pertains to athletics.

I really don't think of the non-revenue sports the same as I do baseball, football, and men's basketball. It's great if we do well, but I don't care that much if women
s soccer, volleyball, etc. aren't good. So, viewing the AD and revenue sports, here's how I score Shalala's hires/extensions:
A.D.: extended Dee, hired Hocutt, Hired Eichhorst, Letting James run the show for now. Maybe 1-4 good, three clear fails. Dee was past his prime and over his head, Dee and Hocutt let Shapiro run well, Eichorst was a joke from day one from this job. Not impressed at all with James so far, but we'll see.
Football: Hired Coker, Hired Shannon, Hired Golden. Score: 0-2, jury is still out on Golden.
Basketball: Extended or hired Clark (I honestly don't remember which), Hired Haith, Hired Larranaga. Score: 0 good hires, 1 might work out but looks bad right now, 1 absolute travesty, 1 over his head.
Baseball: Extended Morris. Can't argue with that historically, but I'll contend he's staying one contract too long.
There's one constant, and that's Shalala. She has no business hiring coaches or athletic directors. Her record is beyond terrible in sports that matter (e.g., can pay for themselves and other sports). Letting her hire the next athletic department would be the dumbest thing the board of trustees could do. Unfortunately I have no confidence in them either.

Well, first of all, baseball and basketball are non-revenue sports at 99% of college programs, so I suppose we'll need to take that characterization with a grain of salt.

I laugh at your characterizations of two guys who received major promotions in the AD world a failure and a joke, but whatever. You clearly have your stance and are not going to back down. I'm not saying they were great or even good, but not failures or jokes.

Larry Coker was already the head coach when Donna Shalala became President, but don't let facts get in the way here. Randy Shannon was a terrible hire.

Shalala neither hired nor extended Perry Clark, but again, don't let facts in the way here. Shalala (since we're blaming Shalala for all AD decisions, she gets credit for them as well, I'm sure) fired Perry Clark despite having three years remaining on the contract. Haith was over his head, but hardly could you characterize that as a poor hire. The only way someone characterizes Larranaga as a bad hire is if they know nothing about basketball. Based on your other comments, I think we can safely assume you don't follow the sport too closely.

You don't fire or tell Jim Morris when he gets to stop coaching. Perhaps you suggest some changes, but a guy with his success decides when he goes, so long as the program is not tanking a la FSU a few years ago. While not CWS material, I don't think anyone would suggest the baseball program is tanking.

As to your last paragraph, most people blame the Shalala but don't understand the Board of Trustees approves all hires as well. As to your comment on "sports that matter," again, outside of football, our sports are not paying for themselves.

 

[CaneGrad05]

Clark was given a 7 year contract in 2000. He was fired with 3 years remaining on his contract. Scandelous tells me that's the bare minimum, but we've built an on campus arena, an on campus practice facility, and have still been a postseason team despite no support from the fanbase. We're still better off than what some traditional basketball schools such as Boston College, Georgia Tech, and Wake Forest have seen in recent years.

All that being said, St. Leo's was an exhibition game so the result does not matter. I agree we've played like dog**** this year in basketball, but hardly does that mean hiring Laranaga is a bad hire. ****, surely you know we're missing our best player right now. And you judge basketball coaches by what happens in the post-season. Last year was a very good first year. We're supposed to challenge for the upper echelon in the ACC this year. Let's see how year 2 plays out before saying we have not had results.

Coker was hired early in 2001. Shalala may have been hired, but not officially on the job until June. I'm sure, at most, she signed off on it without much consideration since she had bigger fish to fry at that time. As far as the extension, he was 44-6 with 2 national title appearances, and three wins out of four at the time of his extension. Yeah, we were pretty upset about how that 4th year went, but even the fifth year was 9-3. Still by that time, there were major grumblings despite a 53-9 record over 5 years. Didn't matter, because despite that extension, she still fired him after he went 7-6.

Arguably, we would have been better off not firing Coker at all and giving him more support/additional time as opposed to what ended up happening, BUT, we've got Al Golden in here now to do what he can do. We'll see what happens.

 

[Scanedalous]

Clark was given a 7 year contract in 2000. He was fired with 3 years remaining on his contract. Scandelous tells me that's the bare minimum, but we've built an on campus arena, an on campus practice facility, and have still been a postseason team despite no support from the fanbase. We're still better off than what some traditional basketball schools such as Boston College, Georgia Tech, and Wake Forest have seen in recent years.

All that being said, St. Leo's was an exhibition game so the result does not matter. I agree we've played like dog**** this year in basketball, but hardly does that mean hiring Laranaga is a bad hire. ****, surely you know we're missing our best player right now. And you judge basketball coaches by what happens in the post-season. Last year was a very good first year. We're supposed to challenge for the upper echelon in the ACC this year. Let's see how year 2 plays out before saying we have not had results.

Coker was hired early in 2001. Shalala may have been hired, but not officially on the job until June. I'm sure, at most, she signed off on it without much consideration since she had bigger fish to fry at that time. As far as the extension, he was 44-6 with 2 national title appearances, and three wins out of four at the time of his extension. Yeah, we were pretty upset about how that 4th year went, but even the fifth year was 9-3. Still by that time, there were major grumblings despite a 53-9 record over 5 years. Didn't matter, because despite that extension, she still fired him after he went 7-6.

Arguably, we would have been better off not firing Coker at all and giving him more support/additional time as opposed to what ended up happening, BUT, we've got Al Golden in here now to do what he can do. We'll see what happens.

UM did not build an on campus arena for basketball. It built an on campus convocation center because UofM had no place to host large on campus events or even it's own graduations which was humiliating in and of itself. I can promise you that the lush for the convocation center had little to do with building a home for Miami basketball.

As I stated previously, the you generation adores Donna and believes she has been of no fault in her very meddlesome dealings with our AD. Those who have been around the block know better. It seems you are ok with systemic failure and choose to scatter blame into empty spaces. This is precisely why we continue down the same path at Miami. We as alumni don't hold guilty parties accountable when they fail and humiliate our University. Other great schools do. UNC's president was forced to leave after he humiliated a proud community. Meanwhile Donna continues to receive praise as she oversees scandal after scandal in various departments at the University, athletics being the most public. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

 

[CaneInsideHer]

Just curious, but what the **** are you doing Hege- because all I see in this thread is you whining and *****ing about other people not being part of a solution. If you think anyone actually gives a **** about your whining and *****ing on a message board, you are sadly mistaken. Or do you think your message board whining and *****ing is being part of the solution. Perhaps we should take a collection plate around to fly a banner over campus to fire Donna? Is that what you think we should do? Hold an oncampus demonstration to overthrow the President?

This whole thread is ******* ridiculous. This isn't making excuses. We've sucked at football because we hired a ****** head football coach in 2007 and the job was too big for him. We're still feeling the effects of that decision. It remains to be seen if we made a better decision the last time around. But we don't suck in football because of Donna Shalala. We don't suck in football because our campus is farther away from the stadium. We don't suck in football because our facilities are only very good as opposed to exceptional. We don't suck in football because Kirby Hocutt and Shawn Eichorst took promotions. We don't suck in football because Jen Urs started working in the Athletic Department. We suck in football because the coaches and the players have not been good enough.

There are more important things for the President of the school to worry about than football. She hires people that hire people that worry about football. When those people have failed, they have been fired. If she didn't care about winning, then Randy Shannon would still be the head coach here. ****, Larry Coker would still be the coach here. Perry Jones would still be the head coach here. Ferne Labati would still be the head coach here.

Truth.

 

[CaneInsideHer]

Also, where did we make poor hires in the athletic department while Donna Shalala has been President? Name them for me.

Athletic Directors: Both took promotions to higher paying, more responsibility positions

Baseball Coach: Hired Before Donna

Men's Basketball Coach: Hired Frank Haith, who was one of the well-regarded assistants in college basketball at the time. I thought he had major shortcomings while he was here, but when he left for a higher profile position, we hired one of the best regarded coaches in the country.

Women's Basketball Coach: Fired the most successful coach EVER at Miami, and replaced her with a coach that has turned us into a dominant program

Women's Volleyball: We're leading the ACC, so I guess that's a success

Our tennis programs are consistently among the top teams in the country.

Our track coach was the US Olympic team coach, so she probably has some semblance of a clue as to what she's doing.

Exactly what hires are you complaining about in the athletic department, since it's not just football? Women's golf? Cross country?

Well ****.

 

[Hegemon]

Tom, is that you?

U know that it is. U and him need go back to RCT before the mods over there give u a timeout.

Do fish **** in the sea goobs?

 

[Hegemon]

Just curious, but what the **** are you doing Hege- because all I see in this thread is you whining and ****ing about other people not being part of a solution. If you think anyone actually gives a **** about your whining and ****ing on a message board, you are sadly mistaken. Or do you think your message board whining and ****ing is being part of the solution. Perhaps we should take a collection plate around to fly a banner over campus to fire Donna? Is that what you think we should do? Hold an oncampus demonstration to overthrow the President?

This whole thread is ****ing ridiculous. This isn't making excuses. We've sucked at football because we hired a ****ty head football coach in 2007 and the job was too big for him. We're still feeling the effects of that decision. It remains to be seen if we made a better decision the last time around. But we don't suck in football because of Donna Shalala. We don't suck in football because our campus is farther away from the stadium. We don't suck in football because our facilities are only very good as opposed to exceptional. We don't suck in football because Kirby Hocutt and Shawn Eichorst took promotions. We don't suck in football because Jen Urs started working in the Athletic Department. We suck in football because the coaches and the players have not been good enough.

There are more important things for the President of the school to worry about than football. She hires people that hire people that worry about football. When those people have failed, they have been fired. If she didn't care about winning, then Randy Shannon would still be the head coach here. ****, Larry Coker would still be the coach here. Perry Jones would still be the head coach here. Ferne Labati would still be the head coach here.

Great another excuse ridden douche wants to chime in.

Another guy with the high and mighty approach who can't seem to grasp that since the HMTIC took over the entire department has been run into the ground.

We've had more turnover then most schools have in a decade.

We're involved in a scandel of epic proportions (at least the media seems to think so).

She's been involved in the hiring of not only the worst coaches we've ever seen, but some of the worst athletic directors. Promotions? Really that's what you clowns are riding on? Promotions? Again common sense is lacking from another one of the trolls lackey's. Newsflash I want guys HERE in MIAMI to SUCCEED. Not BOLT immediately to "greener" pastures. The athletic department has been run by complete tools going back to Paul Dee. They've been inadequate, short sighted, and haven't given two ***** about Miami in the grand scheme of things.

THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES

Again the trolls lackey's fall back to "she has more important things to do". Clearly you haven't read the thread and assume I'm tying in academic's. I'm not and haven't, but to assume she's not culpable......correction.....intimately responsible for the utter failures taking place in one of her departments Baghdad Bob made a better argument.

As far as getting rid of the President? She's 71. Time is on my side. Go on and site all her political connections and I'll point to massive macro level cluster****s that have all taken place on her watch. LOL at the HMTIC being this saintly figure.

 

[Hegemon]

Also, where did we make poor hires in the athletic department while Donna Shalala has been President? Name them for me.

Athletic Directors: Both took promotions to higher paying, more responsibility positions

Baseball Coach: Hired Before Donna

Men's Basketball Coach: Hired Frank Haith, who was one of the well-regarded assistants in college basketball at the time. I thought he had major shortcomings while he was here, but when he left for a higher profile position, we hired one of the best regarded coaches in the country.

Women's Basketball Coach: Fired the most successful coach EVER at Miami, and replaced her with a coach that has turned us into a dominant program

Women's Volleyball: We're leading the ACC, so I guess that's a success

Our tennis programs are consistently among the top teams in the country.

Our track coach was the US Olympic team coach, so she probably has some semblance of a clue as to what she's doing.

Exactly what hires are you complaining about in the athletic department, since it's not just football? Women's golf? Cross country?

Well ****.

Do any of those other sports aside from football make any money?

Nope and football hasn't been able to pull its weight for awhile now because of the horrible leadership all stemming from Donna

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[CaneInsideHer]

Lol at saying our athletic directors have been "the worst." The only two that she hired were both given raises to direct at premiere programs, but yeah, I guess Nebraska doesn't know what they're doing either.

 

[CaneGrad05]

All hege does is whine like a *****. No excuses in my post.

 

[canes1977]

You do realize PSU admitted to the findings in the Freeh report hence the reason why the NCAA wrapped up that investigation so quickly (ie. the NCAA didnt have to investigate anything). If you want UM to simply admit to the findings in the Yahoo report I am sure the NCAA can wrap up our investigation as well. Dont get me wrong, i think the NCAA is ******** us by taking all this time, but using the NCAA's actions on the PSU Scandal is completely misguided.

 

[hoops156]

dont listen to him. he hasnt said anything that provides a solution other than attack other people which shows he has no other argument left.

 

[hoops156]

Also, where did we make poor hires in the athletic department while Donna Shalala has been President? Name them for me.

Athletic Directors: Both took promotions to higher paying, more responsibility positions

Baseball Coach: Hired Before Donna

Men's Basketball Coach: Hired Frank Haith, who was one of the well-regarded assistants in college basketball at the time. I thought he had major shortcomings while he was here, but when he left for a higher profile position, we hired one of the best regarded coaches in the country.

Women's Basketball Coach: Fired the most successful coach EVER at Miami, and replaced her with a coach that has turned us into a dominant program

Women's Volleyball: We're leading the ACC, so I guess that's a success

Our tennis programs are consistently among the top teams in the country.

Our track coach was the US Olympic team coach, so she probably has some semblance of a clue as to what she's doing.

Exactly what hires are you complaining about in the athletic department, since it's not just football? Women's golf? Cross country?

Well ****.

Do any of those other sports aside from football make any money?

Nope and football hasn't been able to pull its weight for awhile now because of the horrible leadership all stemming from Donna

Point Set Match

didnt know donna was the reason players didnt develop or why they throw picks on the field. thought coaches were at fault for that. didnt know she was responsible for recruiting players. blame the coaching and the talent on the field not the president of the school. she is responsible for the entire university not just athletics. she hired people to oversee athletics for her. she isnt the AD, the coach, or the recruiting coordinator. she has enhanced miami as an academic institution under her watch. we are the best school in the state of florida bc of her and a top 50 school bc of her. that matters as well, but some of you never got a degree from UM so you could care less what the academic rankings are.