Our Admin and the NCAA

[wushah]

1. Until we stop the culture of making excuses for why we can't succeed, we won't. Whether true or not, the bar needs to be set higher. It's hard to imagine any fan thinking that the musical chairs with our ADs has been anything short of a fiasco. It needs to stop, and she needs to find the right guy ASAP. No excuses. We're still an ACC school, have a nice academic reputation, and have a history of enough athletic success that it shouldn't be hard to find someone competent who wants to tackle this challenge.

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We found people willing to come to Miami and ready to tackle challenges. They met with our administration and quickly saw how limited their efforts would be at Miami. They left quickly. Expect that cycle to continue as well if we continue to bring in candidates from outside of UofM who don't know what they are getting themselves into. They, like Golden, end up in shock at the administrative restrictions and limitations that they have to work with at Miami. These are very real problems that have become very well known throught the collegiate athletics world.

This speaks more of a leadership issue. Inefficiency in multiple places speaks of a systemic problem. Few people are capable of providing and implementing a solution in this scenario, and Shalala is one of them.

What you are alluding to is essentially high-level corruption not only of the powers that be but also of the processes in place. If so, then the only solution is to find someone capable of leading the program better than Shalala if I understand you correctly.

Pretty serious stuff.

 

[Scanedalous]

What planet do you live on?

Are you familiar with lobbyist's or do you honestly live in the twilight zone and think they're all clean?

I'm not saying pay them off, but to say we've ENGAGED THEM AT ALL is laughable at best.

having a politician even propose building a new stadium within 40 miles of miami-dade country would be political suicide. the only people that want a new stadium for the canes are miami fans. i do want a new stadium and i want that more than anything, but the fact is that it's not realistic at this juncture. if it wasn't for jeffrey loria, we would have an outside shot at it, but the marlins' park fiasco has torpedoed any possibility of new construction any time soon.

THANK YOU. it seems that hegemon is the only one that didnt see what happened last week w the marlins fiasco. you really think anything even related to a stadium will be built. **** no not now not for another 40 years which is when the marlins park will be paid off and the county will have it off their books. also a new stadium will not be the reason we win or lose. its the players on the field that will decide. the 01 canes didnt win bc of the OB they won bc the team was amazing. we were losing in the OB too after the 01 title. we havent won 10 games since 03 and we played in the oB till 07. so whats the excuse there? i remember in 05 they used temp lights for the gt game and moved everyone from teh upper bowl to the lower bowl against uNC when we wore those ND lookalike unis

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

that depends on where the stadium would be built because infrastructure is paid by the city/state. if it's built at tropical park, it would be the least expensive route because there would be minimal road construction and the bulk of the money would go to on/off ramps and overpasses. the road construction and municipal waste/water cannot be privately funded.

You raise legitimate points and concerns; most of which are a part of these types of projects. Surely Miami could figure it out and consult with the 4 private and 10 public universities that have accomished this in the last few years.

Whatever the issues and obstacles, they have all been overcome by our competitors. It's time we do the same otherwise continue down the same path that repeatedly leads us to the same embarrassing outcome.

I recently read that Donna was constructing a new state of the art presidents home on the UM owned property where UofM also houses faculty staff whom live in UofM owned properties. A rather affluent community and area. It's a shame we cannot give a home equally as nice on our property to our student athletes. Instead we've chosen to ship the off to Broward.

 

[Ispyin]

The core of this team is YOUNG. Get some perspective on the situation before blasting the admin.

Another gem.

This has nothing to do with the thread what so ever.

Dan Sileo, is that you?

 

[cane305]

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

the stadium is not in a bubble. there's zonign laws, roads to worry about, not to mention the land upon which the stadium is built

 

[Hegemon]

The core of this team is YOUNG. Get some perspective on the situation before blasting the admin.

Another gem.

This has nothing to do with the thread what so ever.

Dan Sileo, is that you?

Originality

Nice

 

[Scanedalous]

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

the stadium is not in a bubble. there's zonign laws, roads to worry about, not to mention the land upon which the stadium is built

Those seem like rather obvious and basic aspects to any construction project. Aren't they? As I said previously, 4 other private universities and 10 public universities have managed to address these issues and accomplish their goals. Are we to believe that Miami cannot do the same? Why is that? What are the reasons why it can be done in the St Charles district of New Orleans yet not in the Coral Gables South Miami sector of Miami Dade?

Perhaps UofM would benefit with consulting all those other universities if they cannot figure it out themselves. Our UM is run by brilliant people. Accomplished leaders whom have tackled much tougher issues then the one we are chatting about

 

[CaneGrad05]

Just curious, but what the **** are you doing Hege- because all I see in this thread is you whining and *****ing about other people not being part of a solution. If you think anyone actually gives a **** about your whining and *****ing on a message board, you are sadly mistaken. Or do you think your message board whining and *****ing is being part of the solution. Perhaps we should take a collection plate around to fly a banner over campus to fire Donna? Is that what you think we should do? Hold an oncampus demonstration to overthrow the President?

This whole thread is ******* ridiculous. This isn't making excuses. We've sucked at football because we hired a ****** head football coach in 2007 and the job was too big for him. We're still feeling the effects of that decision. It remains to be seen if we made a better decision the last time around. But we don't suck in football because of Donna Shalala. We don't suck in football because our campus is farther away from the stadium. We don't suck in football because our facilities are only very good as opposed to exceptional. We don't suck in football because Kirby Hocutt and Shawn Eichorst took promotions. We don't suck in football because Jen Urs started working in the Athletic Department. We suck in football because the coaches and the players have not been good enough.

There are more important things for the President of the school to worry about than football. She hires people that hire people that worry about football. When those people have failed, they have been fired. If she didn't care about winning, then Randy Shannon would still be the head coach here. ****, Larry Coker would still be the coach here. Perry Jones would still be the head coach here. Ferne Labati would still be the head coach here.

 

[hcanes100]

Just curious, but what the **** are you doing Hege- because all I see in this thread is you whining and *****ing about other people not being part of a solution. If you think anyone actually gives a **** about your whining and *****ing on a message board, you are sadly mistaken. Or do you think your message board whining and *****ing is being part of the solution. Perhaps we should take a collection plate around to fly a banner over campus to fire Donna? Is that what you think we should do? Hold an oncampus demonstration to overthrow the President?

This whole thread is ******* ridiculous. This isn't making excuses. We've sucked at football because we hired a ****** head football coach in 2007 and the job was too big for him. We're still feeling the effects of that decision. It remains to be seen if we made a better decision the last time around. But we don't suck in football because of Donna Shalala. We don't suck in football because our campus is farther away from the stadium. We don't suck in football because our facilities are only very good as opposed to exceptional. We don't suck in football because Kirby Hocutt and Shawn Eichorst took promotions. We don't suck in football because Jen Urs started working in the Athletic Department. We suck in football because the coaches and the players have not been good enough.

There are more important things for the President of the school to worry about than football. She hires people that hire people that worry about football. When those people have failed, they have been fired. If she didn't care about winning, then Randy Shannon would still be the head coach here. ****, Larry Coker would still be the coach here. Perry Jones would still be the head coach here. Ferne Labati would still be the head coach here.

I agree with most everything, but it started with Uncle Fester and not Shannon.

 

[Scanedalous]

Just curious, but what the **** are you doing Hege- because all I see in this thread is you whining and ****ing about other people not being part of a solution. If you think anyone actually gives a **** about your whining and ****ing on a message board, you are sadly mistaken. Or do you think your message board whining and ****ing is being part of the solution. Perhaps we should take a collection plate around to fly a banner over campus to fire Donna? Is that what you think we should do? Hold an oncampus demonstration to overthrow the President?

This whole thread is ****ing ridiculous. This isn't making excuses. We've sucked at football because we hired a ****ty head football coach in 2007 and the job was too big for him. We're still feeling the effects of that decision. It remains to be seen if we made a better decision the last time around. But we don't suck in football because of Donna Shalala. We don't suck in football because our campus is farther away from the stadium. We don't suck in football because our facilities are only very good as opposed to exceptional. We don't suck in football because Kirby Hocutt and Shawn Eichorst took promotions. We don't suck in football because Jen Urs started working in the Athletic Department. We suck in football because the coaches and the players have not been good enough.

There are more important things for the President of the school to worry about than football. She hires people that hire people that worry about football. When those people have failed, they have been fired. If she didn't care about winning, then Randy Shannon would still be the head coach here. ****, Larry Coker would still be the coach here. Perry Jones would still be the head coach here. Ferne Labati would still be the head coach here.

It is very concerning to think that our supporters believe this line of thinking. There is a reason why we made poor hires in every area of the athletics department and a very good reason why truly talented people stay clear of UofM in athletics these days but not in other areas where we are attracting the elite of the elite, the Nick Sabans if you will.

To say that we've performed poorly only because we made a poor hire totally ignores the factors that forced us to make those poor hires from limited talent pools. It is a very scary mindset and I hope it isn't shared by our fanbase as a whole and our leaders. If so then as I've said you can be sure this cycle of failure and desperation will continue only with lower peaks of success in this era of sport.

You don't just fall into a hole. You took many missteps along the way that led you to falling into that hole. Firing coaches is a simple way to quiet the people. It is the bare minimum action. All schools dismiss poor performing coaches.

 

[CaneGrad05]

Oh please scandedalous. Show me the athletic departments you consider bastions of success. The Nick Sabans of the world? Why wasn't Alabama- one of the biggest, most rabid fanbases in the world- relevant for a decade? Why were they relying on Bill Curry and Little Shula? Why was Florida, coming off of Steve ******* Spurrier, hiring Ron Zook and struggling for years? Did Notre Dame's athletic department just fold up shop in 1985? Did the school president and AD at Syracuse go pro when Donovan McNabb did? Did Nebraska forget how to play football when Tom Osbourne retired or was it the President ******** everything up? Was USC still playing football before Pete Carroll came back?

 

[hcanes100]

Oh please scandedalous. Show me the athletic departments you consider bastions of success. The Nick Sabans of the world? Why wasn't Alabama- one of the biggest, most rabid fanbases in the world- relevant for a decade? Why were they relying on Bill Curry and Little Shula? Why was Florida, coming off of Steve ******* Spurrier, hiring Ron Zook and struggling for years? Did Notre Dame's athletic department just fold up shop in 1985? Did the school president and AD at Syracuse go pro when Donovan McNabb did? Did Nebraska forget how to play football when Tom Osbourne retired or was it the President ******** everything up? Was USC still playing football before Pete Carroll came back?

Left off Tennessee since Fulmer....

 

[hotshot]

Since they took it, at least they can recruit during the break and pretty safely tell kids they won't be affected that much by any sanctions, since they've already given up two bowl games.

Prepare to be shocked when we get the book thrown at us. We're going down hard, believe me.

 

[CaneGrad05]

Also, where did we make poor hires in the athletic department while Donna Shalala has been President? Name them for me.

Athletic Directors: Both took promotions to higher paying, more responsibility positions

Baseball Coach: Hired Before Donna

Men's Basketball Coach: Hired Frank Haith, who was one of the well-regarded assistants in college basketball at the time. I thought he had major shortcomings while he was here, but when he left for a higher profile position, we hired one of the best regarded coaches in the country.

Women's Basketball Coach: Fired the most successful coach EVER at Miami, and replaced her with a coach that has turned us into a dominant program

Women's Volleyball: We're leading the ACC, so I guess that's a success

Our tennis programs are consistently among the top teams in the country.

Our track coach was the US Olympic team coach, so she probably has some semblance of a clue as to what she's doing.

Exactly what hires are you complaining about in the athletic department, since it's not just football? Women's golf? Cross country?

 

[goobysnack]

Tom, is that you?

 

[johnumcanes]

I couln't have put it better....

 

[hoops156]

having a politician even propose building a new stadium within 40 miles of miami-dade country would be political suicide. the only people that want a new stadium for the canes are miami fans. i do want a new stadium and i want that more than anything, but the fact is that it's not realistic at this juncture. if it wasn't for jeffrey loria, we would have an outside shot at it, but the marlins' park fiasco has torpedoed any possibility of new construction any time soon.

THANK YOU. it seems that hegemon is the only one that didnt see what happened last week w the marlins fiasco. you really think anything even related to a stadium will be built. **** no not now not for another 40 years which is when the marlins park will be paid off and the county will have it off their books. also a new stadium will not be the reason we win or lose. its the players on the field that will decide. the 01 canes didnt win bc of the OB they won bc the team was amazing. we were losing in the OB too after the 01 title. we havent won 10 games since 03 and we played in the oB till 07. so whats the excuse there? i remember in 05 they used temp lights for the gt game and moved everyone from teh upper bowl to the lower bowl against uNC when we wore those ND lookalike unis

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

it wouldnt have anything to do w the city of miami or miami dade county if UM chooses to fund it privately. building a new rat and a student activities center isnt along the same lines of building a stadium nor does it take the same land. i would love if UM would build a stadium for the canes but i know i wont see it unless we can come up w 100m of our own money to put towards it. there is no room on campus nor will gables will allow a stadium to built on campus if there was room. tropical park is a great location but again UM tried to build a stadium w FIU but they backed out and it fell apart. if we want a stadium we cant be naive and expect UM to pay for it completely. they have other needs outside of a stadium right now. they have a lease with SLS and didnt own the OB (county owned). only fans see a stadium as an issue but in reality its the best we can do right now. it is a pro stadium that is kept in good condition unlike the OB and until UM sees it as a problem or finds a solution for another stadium we will stay at SLS till the end of our lease. it also took like 10 last call at the rats before they actually tore it down and started building the new student activities center

I'm in shock that our administration would even consider sharing a venue with FIU. That is astonishing and I don't truly believe that myth either as there is no reason for FIU to share its stadium with UofM. How humiliating for a University such as Miami to feel the desperation so deeply that it crawls down the road to a ask supremely lesser university for a pound of bread to eat.

That alone should serve as evidence of the administrative failure at UofM

I would hate to trivialize this issue with comments such as the building a new Rat, RIP old Rat. RIP old friend. As I said, somehow it manages to be within the means of many private universities in CFB. I believe one of them beat the #1 team in the country this past saturday. I'm certain UM isn't inferior to a small baptist college in Texas. What do you think?

I don't follow your comments on only fans viewing a stadium as an issue. Please exain this point because it is an important one.

The stadium issue is all encompassing. It has a great affect on our students (my son), our alumni (my family), our ability to build a financial structure for the athletics department that allows for increased profits in the cash cow sport. Those non-shared profits fund all other athletics, help sustain and maintain facilities, help retain and hire talented human resources, it obviously helps recruiting tremendously when you eliminate what is in my mind the only true negative to playing at Miami. Unfortunately that negative is symbolic of larger issues a play which contribute to sports administrative struggles in the AD

This stadium issue is at the core of UofM's problems. Those who fail to see this simply lack an understanding of intercollegiate athletics, how they are funded and sustained. A football stadium is an enormous financial tool to an athletic department. There is a great reason why schools continue to build new ones where old ones did not exist, rebuild and expand existing stadiums and move away from NFL or off campus facilities and build privately owned in campus stadiums. It certainly is not because they are all business dumb and UofM is setting the bar in savvy financing.

you do realize tech the last game at the oB was a FIU home game right?

 

[Gennaker Cane]

I really don't think of the non-revenue sports the same as I do baseball, football, and men's basketball. It's great if we do well, but I don't care that much if women's soccer, volleyball, etc. aren't good. So, viewing the AD and revenue sports, here's how I score Shalala's hires/extensions:
A.D.: extended Dee, hired Hocutt, Hired Eichhorst, Letting James run the show for now. Maybe 1-4 good, three clear fails. Dee was past his prime and over his head, Dee and Hocutt let Shapiro run wild, Eichorst was a joke from day one from this job. Not impressed at all with James so far, but we'll see.
Football: Hired Coker, Hired Shannon, Hired Golden. Score: 0-2, jury is still out on Golden.
Basketball: Extended or hired Clark (I honestly don't remember which), Hired Haith, Hired Larranaga. Score: 0 good hires, 1 might work out but looks bad right now, 1 absolute travesty, 1 over his head.
Baseball: Extended Morris. Can't argue with that historically, but I'll contend he's staying one contract too long.
There's one constant, and that's Shalala. She has no business hiring coaches or athletic directors. Her record is beyond (e.g., can pay for themselves and other sports). Letting her hire the next athletic department would be the dumbest thing the board of trustees could do. Unfortunately I have no confidence in them either.

 

[hoops156]

THANK YOU. it seems that hegemon is the only one that didnt see what happened last week w the marlins fiasco. you really think anything even related to a stadium will be built. **** no not now not for another 40 years which is when the marlins park will be paid off and the county will have it off their books. also a new stadium will not be the reason we win or lose. its the players on the field that will decide. the 01 canes didnt win bc of the OB they won bc the team was amazing. we were losing in the OB too after the 01 title. we havent won 10 games since 03 and we played in the oB till 07. so whats the excuse there? i remember in 05 they used temp lights for the gt game and moved everyone from teh upper bowl to the lower bowl against uNC when we wore those ND lookalike unis

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

it wouldnt have anything to do w the city of miami or miami dade county if UM chooses to fund it privately. building a new rat and a student activities center isnt along the same lines of building a stadium nor does it take the same land. i would love if UM would build a stadium for the canes but i know i wont see it unless we can come up w 100m of our own money to put towards it. there is no room on campus nor will gables will allow a stadium to built on campus if there was room. tropical park is a great location but again UM tried to build a stadium w FIU but they backed out and it fell apart. if we want a stadium we cant be naive and expect UM to pay for it completely. they have other needs outside of a stadium right now. they have a lease with SLS and didnt own the OB (county owned). only fans see a stadium as an issue but in reality its the best we can do right now. it is a pro stadium that is kept in good condition unlike the OB and until UM sees it as a problem or finds a solution for another stadium we will stay at SLS till the end of our lease. it also took like 10 last call at the rats before they actually tore it down and started building the new student activities center

I'm in shock that our administration would even consider sharing a venue with FIU. That is astonishing and I don't truly believe that myth either as there is no reason for FIU to share its stadium with UofM. How humiliating for a University such as Miami to feel the desperation so deeply that it crawls down the road to a ask supremely lesser university for a pound of bread to eat.

That alone should serve as evidence of the administrative failure at UofM

I would hate to trivialize this issue with comments such as the building a new Rat, RIP old Rat. RIP old friend. As I said, somehow it manages to be within the means of many private universities in CFB. I believe one of them beat the #1 team in the country this past saturday. I'm certain UM isn't inferior to a small baptist college in Texas. What do you think?

I don't follow your comments on only fans viewing a stadium as an issue. Please exain this point because it is an important one.

The stadium issue is all encompassing. It has a great affect on our students (my son), our alumni (my family), our ability to build a financial structure for the athletics department that allows for increased profits in the cash cow sport. Those non-shared profits fund all other athletics, help sustain and maintain facilities, help retain and hire talented human resources, it obviously helps recruiting tremendously when you eliminate what is in my mind the only true negative to playing at Miami. Unfortunately that negative is symbolic of larger issues a play which contribute to sports administrative struggles in the AD

This stadium issue is at the core of UofM's problems. Those who fail to see this simply lack an understanding of intercollegiate athletics, how they are funded and sustained. A football stadium is an enormous financial tool to an athletic department. There is a great reason why schools continue to build new ones where old ones did not exist, rebuild and expand existing stadiums and move away from NFL or off campus facilities and build privately owned in campus stadiums. It certainly is not because they are all business dumb and UofM is setting the bar in savvy financing.

you do realize tech the last game at the oB was a FIU home game right?

also thats fine it is key and all that but where do you want to build it? tropical park? we have to buy the land from the county. and doesnt matter if you dont believe it no one really cares if you believe it or not. stanford built an on campus stadium bc their freakin campus is known as the farm. have you been to stanford before? ive been there and that campus is one of the largest if the not the largest in the country. they built a 40ishk seat stadium. their endowment is also 17 billion as of august 12 2012. you cant compare many schools to miami bc of the location. the school most like us would be USC. if anything they should be our model for athletics. we dont have a lot of land, the city does not need UM to survive like other college towns such as South Bend. im curious were u begging for a stadium in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s when we won big and played in the OB. u say ur an alum but if u set foot on campus find me a spot for a stadium. please find me a spot. do u know how strict gables is? u cant have a pickup in ur own **** driveway in gables. they shut down a concert on campus bc it went past 12. do u know how quickly an on campus stadium proposal would be killed by gables. they do not want to deal w the traffic in their area, the noise. US1 is already the worst road ever in terms of traffic. with an on campus stadium it would take 4 hours to get down there.

 

[deleted1562]

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

it wouldnt have anything to do w the city of miami or miami dade county if UM chooses to fund it privately. building a new rat and a student activities center isnt along the same lines of building a stadium nor does it take the same land. i would love if UM would build a stadium for the canes but i know i wont see it unless we can come up w 100m of our own money to put towards it. there is no room on campus nor will gables will allow a stadium to built on campus if there was room. tropical park is a great location but again UM tried to build a stadium w FIU but they backed out and it fell apart. if we want a stadium we cant be naive and expect UM to pay for it completely. they have other needs outside of a stadium right now. they have a lease with SLS and didnt own the OB (county owned). only fans see a stadium as an issue but in reality its the best we can do right now. it is a pro stadium that is kept in good condition unlike the OB and until UM sees it as a problem or finds a solution for another stadium we will stay at SLS till the end of our lease. it also took like 10 last call at the rats before they actually tore it down and started building the new student activities center

I'm in shock that our administration would even consider sharing a venue with FIU. That is astonishing and I don't truly believe that myth either as there is no reason for FIU to share its stadium with UofM. How humiliating for a University such as Miami to feel the desperation so deeply that it crawls down the road to a ask supremely lesser university for a pound of bread to eat.

That alone should serve as evidence of the administrative failure at UofM

I would hate to trivialize this issue with comments such as the building a new Rat, RIP old Rat. RIP old friend. As I said, somehow it manages to be within the means of many private universities in CFB. I believe one of them beat the #1 team in the country this past saturday. I'm certain UM isn't inferior to a small baptist college in Texas. What do you think?

I don't follow your comments on only fans viewing a stadium as an issue. Please exain this point because it is an important one.

The stadium issue is all encompassing. It has a great affect on our students (my son), our alumni (my family), our ability to build a financial structure for the athletics department that allows for increased profits in the cash cow sport. Those non-shared profits fund all other athletics, help sustain and maintain facilities, help retain and hire talented human resources, it obviously helps recruiting tremendously when you eliminate what is in my mind the only true negative to playing at Miami. Unfortunately that negative is symbolic of larger issues a play which contribute to sports administrative struggles in the AD

This stadium issue is at the core of UofM's problems. Those who fail to see this simply lack an understanding of intercollegiate athletics, how they are funded and sustained. A football stadium is an enormous financial tool to an athletic department. There is a great reason why schools continue to build new ones where old ones did not exist, rebuild and expand existing stadiums and move away from NFL or off campus facilities and build privately owned in campus stadiums. It certainly is not because they are all business dumb and UofM is setting the bar in savvy financing.

you do realize tech the last game at the oB was a FIU home game right?

also thats fine it is key and all that but where do you want to build it? tropical park? we have to buy the land from the county. and doesnt matter if you dont believe it no one really cares if you believe it or not. stanford built an on campus stadium bc their freakin campus is known as the farm. have you been to stanford before? ive been there and that campus is one of the largest if the not the largest in the country. they built a 40ishk seat stadium. their endowment is also 17 billion as of august 12 2012. you cant compare many schools to miami bc of the location. the school most like us would be USC. if anything they should be our model for athletics. we dont have a lot of land, the city does not need UM to survive like other college towns such as South Bend. im curious were u begging for a stadium in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s when we won big and played in the OB. u say ur an alum but if u set foot on campus find me a spot for a stadium. please find me a spot. do u know how strict gables is? u cant have a pickup in ur own **** driveway in gables. they shut down a concert on campus bc it went past 12. do u know how quickly an on campus stadium proposal would be killed by gables. they do not want to deal w the traffic in their area, the noise. US1 is already the worst road ever in terms of traffic. with an on campus stadium it would take 4 hours to get down there.

It's beyond easy to find room for a stadium on campus. We have all sorts of useless crap that serves no purpose being on campus.

Knock down Stanford & Hecht (students can live somewhere else), demolish the music school (music isn't even a real subject), scrap that huge new student academic productivity building place thing that they're making now (they tore down the Rat for that thing anyway), drain the lake and fill it with concrete (the lake has dangerous crocodiles), turn the IM fields into a parking garage (only scrubs play on the IM fields), and take out Eaton if that isn't enough room (nobody cares about Eaton anyway). Boom. On campus stadium.

Consider yourself enlightened.

 

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it wouldnt have anything to do w the city of miami or miami dade county if UM chooses to fund it privately. building a new rat and a student activities center isnt along the same lines of building a stadium nor does it take the same land. i would love if UM would build a stadium for the canes but i know i wont see it unless we can come up w 100m of our own money to put towards it. there is no room on campus nor will gables will allow a stadium to built on campus if there was room. tropical park is a great location but again UM tried to build a stadium w FIU but they backed out and it fell apart. if we want a stadium we cant be naive and expect UM to pay for it completely. they have other needs outside of a stadium right now. they have a lease with SLS and didnt own the OB (county owned). only fans see a stadium as an issue but in reality its the best we can do right now. it is a pro stadium that is kept in good condition unlike the OB and until UM sees it as a problem or finds a solution for another stadium we will stay at SLS till the end of our lease. it also took like 10 last call at the rats before they actually tore it down and started building the new student activities center

I'm in shock that our administration would even consider sharing a venue with FIU. That is astonishing and I don't truly believe that myth either as there is no reason for FIU to share its stadium with UofM. How humiliating for a University such as Miami to feel the desperation so deeply that it crawls down the road to a ask supremely lesser university for a pound of bread to eat.

That alone should serve as evidence of the administrative failure at UofM

I would hate to trivialize this issue with comments such as the building a new Rat, RIP old Rat. RIP old friend. As I said, somehow it manages to be within the means of many private universities in CFB. I believe one of them beat the #1 team in the country this past saturday. I'm certain UM isn't inferior to a small baptist college in Texas. What do you think?

I don't follow your comments on only fans viewing a stadium as an issue. Please exain this point because it is an important one.

The stadium issue is all encompassing. It has a great affect on our students (my son), our alumni (my family), our ability to build a financial structure for the athletics department that allows for increased profits in the cash cow sport. Those non-shared profits fund all other athletics, help sustain and maintain facilities, help retain and hire talented human resources, it obviously helps recruiting tremendously when you eliminate what is in my mind the only true negative to playing at Miami. Unfortunately that negative is symbolic of larger issues a play which contribute to sports administrative struggles in the AD

This stadium issue is at the core of UofM's problems. Those who fail to see this simply lack an understanding of intercollegiate athletics, how they are funded and sustained. A football stadium is an enormous financial tool to an athletic department. There is a great reason why schools continue to build new ones where old ones did not exist, rebuild and expand existing stadiums and move away from NFL or off campus facilities and build privately owned in campus stadiums. It certainly is not because they are all business dumb and UofM is setting the bar in savvy financing.

you do realize tech the last game at the oB was a FIU home game right?

also thats fine it is key and all that but where do you want to build it? tropical park? we have to buy the land from the county. and doesnt matter if you dont believe it no one really cares if you believe it or not. stanford built an on campus stadium bc their freakin campus is known as the farm. have you been to stanford before? ive been there and that campus is one of the largest if the not the largest in the country. they built a 40ishk seat stadium. their endowment is also 17 billion as of august 12 2012. you cant compare many schools to miami bc of the location. the school most like us would be USC. if anything they should be our model for athletics. we dont have a lot of land, the city does not need UM to survive like other college towns such as South Bend. im curious were u begging for a stadium in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s when we won big and played in the OB. u say ur an alum but if u set foot on campus find me a spot for a stadium. please find me a spot. do u know how strict gables is? u cant have a pickup in ur own **** driveway in gables. they shut down a concert on campus bc it went past 12. do u know how quickly an on campus stadium proposal would be killed by gables. they do not want to deal w the traffic in their area, the noise. US1 is already the worst road ever in terms of traffic. with an on campus stadium it would take 4 hours to get down there.

It's beyond easy to find room for a stadium on campus. We have all sorts of useless crap that serves no purpose being on campus.

Knock down Stanford & Hecht (students can live somewhere else), demolish the music school (music isn't even a real subject), scrap that huge new student academic productivity building place thing that they're making now (they tore down the Rat for that thing anyway), drain the lake and fill it with concrete (the lake has dangerous crocodiles), turn the IM fields into a parking garage (only scrubs play on the IM fields), and take out Eaton if that isn't enough room (nobody cares about Eaton anyway). Boom. On campus stadium.

Consider yourself enlightened.

i see the light!