Our Admin and the NCAA

[dycane]

Donna has done a lot of good things for this University...but at some point, the lady at the top needs to be held accountable for the state of the athletic department and the culture that was allowed to fester under her watch. It may have been other people's fault...but she's the one in charge.

I blame our BOT. I don't think another exists in this country that exhibits less support for its football program, at least not at a school with the history of success we have had. I can tell you that very few BOT members give a **** about the football program.

 

[Scanedalous]

thank you. hegmon clearly doenst live in miami. i am not bout to see miami dade cut more county workers pay (my dad works for the county), benefits, and jobs bc of a stupid stadium. i would love one but i dont want more money going into a stadium when dade county has other needs it needs to tend to

I lived there for the past two years getting my Masters at UM and have lived in South Florida outside of my service in the Navy for my entire life.

Spare me the excuses. As if politicians in Miami Dade county can't be "coerced" into doing something.

Who said I wanted tax payers to pay for it entirely? It wouldn't be used? Please stop making assinine excuses.

You're part of the overall problem with this fanbase.

Excuse ridden, beaten down and unwilling to change for the better. I can't wait until real leadership is at the helm of our athletic program.

so your military experience (that i do respect) and higher education at um have taught you that "coercing" politicians is the right idea? that's pretty f'ing terrible.

What planet do you live on?

Are you familiar with lobbyist's or do you honestly live in the twilight zone and think they're all clean?

I'm not saying pay them off, but to say we've ENGAGED THEM AT ALL is laughable at best.

having a politician even propose building a new stadium within 40 miles of miami-dade country would be political suicide. the only people that want a new stadium for the canes are miami fans. i do want a new stadium and i want that more than anything, but the fact is that it's not realistic at this juncture. if it wasn't for jeffrey loria, we would have an outside shot at it, but the marlins' park fiasco has torpedoed any possibility of new construction any time soon.

I'm fairly certain that the only people that desire a new stadium for any college program are the alumni and community fans of that University. That is generally how it works. It is also the reason institutions large and small, private and public are choosing to moved forward with such projects throughout the world of college football, funding them privately as several small private schools have done in recent years.

As I stated, it is a project that is easily within Miami's reach. There are good reasons why they choose to not address it and deflect the issue with fabricated myths. Their biggest concern is the fact that Miami fans and alums have become so vocal and are becoming more informed with what other private schools have committed to doing in this area for their football programs and university communities.

 

[Scanedalous]

I lived there for the past two years getting my Masters at UM and have lived in South Florida outside of my service in the Navy for my entire life.

Spare me the excuses. As if politicians in Miami Dade county can't be "coerced" into doing something.

Who said I wanted tax payers to pay for it entirely? It wouldn't be used? Please stop making assinine excuses.

You're part of the overall problem with this fanbase.

Excuse ridden, beaten down and unwilling to change for the better. I can't wait until real leadership is at the helm of our athletic program.

so your military experience (that i do respect) and higher education at um have taught you that "coercing" politicians is the right idea? that's pretty f'ing terrible.

What planet do you live on?

Are you familiar with lobbyist's or do you honestly live in the twilight zone and think they're all clean?

I'm not saying pay them off, but to say we've ENGAGED THEM AT ALL is laughable at best.

having a politician even propose building a new stadium within 40 miles of miami-dade country would be political suicide. the only people that want a new stadium for the canes are miami fans. i do want a new stadium and i want that more than anything, but the fact is that it's not realistic at this juncture. if it wasn't for jeffrey loria, we would have an outside shot at it, but the marlins' park fiasco has torpedoed any possibility of new construction any time soon.

THANK YOU. it seems that hegemon is the only one that didnt see what happened last week w the marlins fiasco. you really think anything even related to a stadium will be built. **** no not now not for another 40 years which is when the marlins park will be paid off and the county will have it off their books. also a new stadium will not be the reason we win or lose. its the players on the field that will decide. the 01 canes didnt win bc of the OB they won bc the team was amazing. we were losing in the OB too after the 01 title. we havent won 10 games since 03 and we played in the oB till 07. so whats the excuse there? i remember in 05 they used temp lights for the gt game and moved everyone from teh upper bowl to the lower bowl against uNC when we wore those ND lookalike unis

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

 

[CaneInsideHer]

the admin made the right decision to take the ban and it is not their fault the NCAA has taken this long in their investigation. and why would they have done it sooner if they did not know what their decision would be. what is the point of doing it earlier so you can know if the team has a shot or not? an article i read said if we announced before the year then juniors and seniors are allowed to transfer without penalty. if they were not sure if a ban would be necessary why run the risk of losing ur juniors?

Why not do it after Duke?

Garentee you if Duke was a home game things would be different.

I'm not questioning the ban. Mitigate the damage now obviously. The timing is bull****.

We did it after our 6th victory, just like we did last year. And last year, we DID still have a home game remaining, but made the announcement anyway. The timing has nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with becoming bowl eligible.

 

[CaneInsideHer]

Amen, Hegemon. I'm embarrassed to be an alumnus today because of this. If she and the administration had any decency they should have announced a self-imposed ban early enough so Mike James could have transferred to a school eligible for a bowl. Instead we string the team along all year until they can weigh what the bowl reward would be, then decide its not good enough. But God forbid they decline an f'ing NIT bid for the basketball team, or announce similar penalties to let basketball players transfer. UM is sorry it got caught, not contrite for anything. It's their right to run the place like it's just another business with "shrewd" moves, but its my right to tell them where to go when they ask for money while they still employ her.

The reward for the bowl wasn't good enough? Outside of a national championship, it doesn't get much better than having a shot at a BCS bowl. To suggest it was a cost/reward analysis as it pertains to finances, knowing what we were still in line for, seems dishonest. Whether its with the board or yourself is up for debate, but this decision clearly wasn't about money.

 

[dookie blaylock]

so your military experience (that i do respect) and higher education at um have taught you that "coercing" politicians is the right idea? that's pretty f'ing terrible.

What planet do you live on?

Are you familiar with lobbyist's or do you honestly live in the twilight zone and think they're all clean?

I'm not saying pay them off, but to say we've ENGAGED THEM AT ALL is laughable at best.

having a politician even propose building a new stadium within 40 miles of miami-dade country would be political suicide. the only people that want a new stadium for the canes are miami fans. i do want a new stadium and i want that more than anything, but the fact is that it's not realistic at this juncture. if it wasn't for jeffrey loria, we would have an outside shot at it, but the marlins' park fiasco has torpedoed any possibility of new construction any time soon.

THANK YOU. it seems that hegemon is the only one that didnt see what happened last week w the marlins fiasco. you really think anything even related to a stadium will be built. **** no not now not for another 40 years which is when the marlins park will be paid off and the county will have it off their books. also a new stadium will not be the reason we win or lose. its the players on the field that will decide. the 01 canes didnt win bc of the OB they won bc the team was amazing. we were losing in the OB too after the 01 title. we havent won 10 games since 03 and we played in the oB till 07. so whats the excuse there? i remember in 05 they used temp lights for the gt game and moved everyone from teh upper bowl to the lower bowl against uNC when we wore those ND lookalike unis

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

that depends on where the stadium would be built because infrastructure is paid by the city/state. if it's built at tropical park, it would be the least expensive route because there would be minimal road construction and the bulk of the money would go to on/off ramps and overpasses. the road construction and municipal waste/water cannot be privately funded.

 

[hoops156]

so your military experience (that i do respect) and higher education at um have taught you that "coercing" politicians is the right idea? that's pretty f'ing terrible.

What planet do you live on?

Are you familiar with lobbyist's or do you honestly live in the twilight zone and think they're all clean?

I'm not saying pay them off, but to say we've ENGAGED THEM AT ALL is laughable at best.

having a politician even propose building a new stadium within 40 miles of miami-dade country would be political suicide. the only people that want a new stadium for the canes are miami fans. i do want a new stadium and i want that more than anything, but the fact is that it's not realistic at this juncture. if it wasn't for jeffrey loria, we would have an outside shot at it, but the marlins' park fiasco has torpedoed any possibility of new construction any time soon.

THANK YOU. it seems that hegemon is the only one that didnt see what happened last week w the marlins fiasco. you really think anything even related to a stadium will be built. **** no not now not for another 40 years which is when the marlins park will be paid off and the county will have it off their books. also a new stadium will not be the reason we win or lose. its the players on the field that will decide. the 01 canes didnt win bc of the OB they won bc the team was amazing. we were losing in the OB too after the 01 title. we havent won 10 games since 03 and we played in the oB till 07. so whats the excuse there? i remember in 05 they used temp lights for the gt game and moved everyone from teh upper bowl to the lower bowl against uNC when we wore those ND lookalike unis

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

it wouldnt have anything to do w the city of miami or miami dade county if UM chooses to fund it privately. building a new rat and a student activities center isnt along the same lines of building a stadium nor does it take the same land. i would love if UM would build a stadium for the canes but i know i wont see it unless we can come up w 100m of our own money to put towards it. there is no room on campus nor will gables will allow a stadium to built on campus if there was room. tropical park is a great location but again UM tried to build a stadium w FIU but they backed out and it fell apart. if we want a stadium we cant be naive and expect UM to pay for it completely. they have other needs outside of a stadium right now. they have a lease with SLS and didnt own the OB (county owned). only fans see a stadium as an issue but in reality its the best we can do right now. it is a pro stadium that is kept in good condition unlike the OB and until UM sees it as a problem or finds a solution for another stadium we will stay at SLS till the end of our lease. it also took like 10 last call at the rats before they actually tore it down and started building the new student activities center

 

[CaneInsideHer]

My brain hurts after reading through this thread. After getting past the juvenile ad hominem attacks, there's not much else there. Yes, the football program has disintegrated during DS's tenure, but the only major mistake she made was hiring Randy Shannon.

Anyone who blamed her for the move from the Orange Bowl simply has no realistic context as to why that happened. There was no way we were staying in that place. I was personally in meetings with Huizenga's people when a City official told them that UM could not fight the City and that the City would not continue to keep that "dump" around for a measly 5 games a year. So, the move was inevitable.

And if you think, even remotely, that Donna, the Governor, or even God himself could make an on campus stadium happen, you're certifiable.

As for the athletic directors, well she obviously has an eye for talent because her two young picks ended up running HUGE athletic departments within a few years - can't blame them or Donna for those moves. And one of them picked Al Golden (with Donna's blessing), which means Al Golden picked (and appears to stick by) Donna. By the way, contrary to what the majority of our deluded fan base believes, some families don't like living in Miami. And I know it's shocking, but some athletic directors (and yes, they are the ones in charge of fundraising for the athletic department) would prefer to raise money at big schools with droves of good ol' boy donors and maniacal fans.

Oh, and if you think there's anyone more prepared to manage this Shapiro mess and mitigate the damage, please name him or her. This has been textbook. Not a single leak. Fully cooperative, yet we did many things behind the scenes to limit exposure.

Simply put, the facts, of course, don't support OP's general, conclusory indictments and retarded personal attacks. DS cares about football, but it's not her job to run the football program. It's her job to make UM the best academic institution she can. And having had numerous conversations with the woman, I can tell you she understands that the two aren't completely mutually exclusive. If you think DS wants the football program to fail - ****, if you think she wants anything but the most successful football program possible - you're delusional, Ace.

Great you talk to her.

I'm sure you're privy to all the politician is about. I look at results. She's failed. Again there's a difference between academic's and athletic's but you conviently glossed over that. Not surprised.

Love how the excuses for the athletic directors are made. Shouldn't these questions have been asked beforehand or is that too much for the Trolls followers? "Ya Donna I'll run that ship for 6-8 months but frankly South Florida sucks and I look forward to using that gig as a launching pad as soon as another job becomes available."

Yeup makes perfect sense.

Reading these responses is equally mind numbing.

When someone is vying for a job, do you really think they'd make the sort of admission that you have in your quotes up there? Do you not think that people say and do what they need to get hired? C'mon man.

 

[Hegemon]

My brain hurts after reading through this thread. After getting past the juvenile ad hominem attacks, there's not much else there. Yes, the football program has disintegrated during DS's tenure, but the only major mistake she made was hiring Randy Shannon.

Anyone who blamed her for the move from the Orange Bowl simply has no realistic context as to why that happened. There was no way we were staying in that place. I was personally in meetings with Huizenga's people when a City official told them that UM could not fight the City and that the City would not continue to keep that "dump" around for a measly 5 games a year. So, the move was inevitable.

And if you think, even remotely, that Donna, the Governor, or even God himself could make an on campus stadium happen, you're certifiable.

As for the athletic directors, well she obviously has an eye for talent because her two young picks ended up running HUGE athletic departments within a few years - can't blame them or Donna for those moves. And one of them picked Al Golden (with Donna's blessing), which means Al Golden picked (and appears to stick by) Donna. By the way, contrary to what the majority of our deluded fan base believes, some families don't like living in Miami. And I know it's shocking, but some athletic directors (and yes, they are the ones in charge of fundraising for the athletic department) would prefer to raise money at big schools with droves of good ol' boy donors and maniacal fans.

Oh, and if you think there's anyone more prepared to manage this Shapiro mess and mitigate the damage, please name him or her. This has been textbook. Not a single leak. Fully cooperative, yet we did many things behind the scenes to limit exposure.

Simply put, the facts, of course, don't support OP's general, conclusory indictments and retarded personal attacks. DS cares about football, but it's not her job to run the football program. It's her job to make UM the best academic institution she can. And having had numerous conversations with the woman, I can tell you she understands that the two aren't completely mutually exclusive. If you think DS wants the football program to fail - ****, if you think she wants anything but the most successful football program possible - you're delusional, Ace.

Great you talk to her.

I'm sure you're privy to all the politician is about. I look at results. She's failed. Again there's a difference between academic's and athletic's but you conviently glossed over that. Not surprised.

Love how the excuses for the athletic directors are made. Shouldn't these questions have been asked beforehand or is that too much for the Trolls followers? "Ya Donna I'll run that ship for 6-8 months but frankly South Florida sucks and I look forward to using that gig as a launching pad as soon as another job becomes available."

Yeup makes perfect sense.

Reading these responses is equally mind numbing.

When someone is vying for a job, do you really think they'd make the sort of admission that you have in your quotes up there? Do you not think that people say and do what they need to get hired? C'mon man.

So because we're Miami we can't hire competent leaders?

Come on man....

Keep the excuses flowing.

I was being facetious but **** it.

 

[BisCane]

I think UM was ranked #38 last year and #44 this year. Whatever. Not that I really care, but that's down, not up.

Oops you're wrong. But don't let that stop you from making asinine comments. Typical of the Shalala bashers who didn't go to UM and only care about the football team - yes, not athletics cuz most of these types have never been to a baseball or basketball game - and somehow blame the prez cuz she's a dmocrat. Lord let the stupidity end here.

 

[Gennaker Cane]

One thing we agree on is your moniker- very creative, made me laugh, wish I had noticed it before.
On the substance: I do think finances influence every decision that UM makes, I don't think the school does anything without analyzing costs and benefits. But my point was more about prestige of the bowl, we get the same money for going to the Sun Bowl as the Orange Bowl. They knew, as you and I do, that UM would probably get crushed in an ACC title game against FSU. Knowing that, and knowing our other likely destination, influenced this decision.

Amen, Hegemon. I'm embarrassed to be an alumnus today because of this. If she and the administration had any decency they should have announced a self-imposed ban early enough so Mike James could have transferred to a school eligible for a bowl. Instead we string the team along all year until they can weigh what the bowl reward would be, then decide its not good enough. But God forbid they decline an f'ing NIT bid for the basketball team, or announce similar penalties to let basketball players transfer. UM is sorry it got caught, not contrite for anything. It's their right to run the place like it's just another business with "shrewd" moves, but its my right to tell them where to go when they ask for money while they still employ her.

The reward for the bowl wasn't good enough? Outside of a national championship, it doesn't get much better than having a shot at a BCS bowl. To suggest it was a cost/reward analysis as it pertains to finances, knowing what we were still in line for, seems dishonest. Whether its with the board or yourself is up for debate, but this decision clearly wasn't about money.

 

[CaneInsideHer]

My brain hurts after reading through this thread. After getting past the juvenile ad hominem attacks, there's not much else there. Yes, the football program has disintegrated during DS's tenure, but the only major mistake she made was hiring Randy Shannon.

Anyone who blamed her for the move from the Orange Bowl simply has no realistic context as to why that happened. There was no way we were staying in that place. I was personally in meetings with Huizenga's people when a City official told them that UM could not fight the City and that the City would not continue to keep that "dump" around for a measly 5 games a year. So, the move was inevitable.

And if you think, even remotely, that Donna, the Governor, or even God himself could make an on campus stadium happen, you're certifiable.

As for the athletic directors, well she obviously has an eye for talent because her two young picks ended up running HUGE athletic departments within a few years - can't blame them or Donna for those moves. And one of them picked Al Golden (with Donna's blessing), which means Al Golden picked (and appears to stick by) Donna. By the way, contrary to what the majority of our deluded fan base believes, some families don't like living in Miami. And I know it's shocking, but some athletic directors (and yes, they are the ones in charge of fundraising for the athletic department) would prefer to raise money at big schools with droves of good ol' boy donors and maniacal fans.

Oh, and if you think there's anyone more prepared to manage this Shapiro mess and mitigate the damage, please name him or her. This has been textbook. Not a single leak. Fully cooperative, yet we did many things behind the scenes to limit exposure.

Simply put, the facts, of course, don't support OP's general, conclusory indictments and retarded personal attacks. DS cares about football, but it's not her job to run the football program. It's her job to make UM the best academic institution she can. And having had numerous conversations with the woman, I can tell you she understands that the two aren't completely mutually exclusive. If you think DS wants the football program to fail - ****, if you think she wants anything but the most successful football program possible - you're delusional, Ace.

Great you talk to her.

I'm sure you're privy to all the politician is about. I look at results. She's failed. Again there's a difference between academic's and athletic's but you conviently glossed over that. Not surprised.

Love how the excuses for the athletic directors are made. Shouldn't these questions have been asked beforehand or is that too much for the Trolls followers? "Ya Donna I'll run that ship for 6-8 months but frankly South Florida sucks and I look forward to using that gig as a launching pad as soon as another job becomes available."

Yeup makes perfect sense.

Reading these responses is equally mind numbing.

When someone is vying for a job, do you really think they'd make the sort of admission that you have in your quotes up there? Do you not think that people say and do what they need to get hired? C'mon man.

So because we're Miami we can't hire competent leaders?

Come on man....

Keep the excuses flowing.

I was being facetious but **** it.

Anytime anyone says anything, you keep falling back on this notion of "excuses" even it there aren't any in sight. I didn't provide any, for one. I simply said that there's no way of knowing if someone wants to stay here forever. They're certainly not going to cop to seeing this as a stepping stone, rather than a destination. What, are we only supposed to hire people who grew up in South Florida and have been Canes fans from birth? That's the only way to guarantee what you're suggesting. Otherwise, quit blaming her for hiring guys who ended up being highly sought after. You should worry if and when she hires people that no one else wants.

 

[CaneInsideHer]

the admin made the right decision to take the ban and it is not their fault the NCAA has taken this long in their investigation. and why would they have done it sooner if they did not know what their decision would be. what is the point of doing it earlier so you can know if the team has a shot or not? an article i read said if we announced before the year then juniors and seniors are allowed to transfer without penalty. if they were not sure if a ban would be necessary why run the risk of losing ur juniors?

Why not do it after Duke?

Garentee you if Duke was a home game things would be different.

I'm not questioning the ban. Mitigate the damage now obviously. The timing is bull****.

We did it after our 6th victory, just like we did last year. And last year, we DID still have a home game remaining, but made the announcement anyway. The timing has nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with becoming bowl eligible.

Hege, still waiting for your response on this.

 

[CaneInsideHer]

One thing we agree on is your moniker- very creative, made me laugh, wish I had noticed it before.
On the substance: I do think finances influence every decision that UM makes, I don't think the school does anything without analyzing costs and benefits. But my point was more about prestige of the bowl, we get the same money for going to the Sun Bowl as the Orange Bowl. They knew, as you and I do, that UM would probably get crushed in an ACC title game against FSU. Knowing that, and knowing our other likely destination, influenced this decision.

Amen, Hegemon. I'm embarrassed to be an alumnus today because of this. If she and the administration had any decency they should have announced a self-imposed ban early enough so Mike James could have transferred to a school eligible for a bowl. Instead we string the team along all year until they can weigh what the bowl reward would be, then decide its not good enough. But God forbid they decline an f'ing NIT bid for the basketball team, or announce similar penalties to let basketball players transfer. UM is sorry it got caught, not contrite for anything. It's their right to run the place like it's just another business with "shrewd" moves, but its my right to tell them where to go when they ask for money while they still employ her.

The reward for the bowl wasn't good enough? Outside of a national championship, it doesn't get much better than having a shot at a BCS bowl. To suggest it was a cost/reward analysis as it pertains to finances, knowing what we were still in line for, seems dishonest. Whether its with the board or yourself is up for debate, but this decision clearly wasn't about money.

I agree that they examine the costs and benefits involved in every decision, I just don't think that finances ruled the day here. When you have a realistic shot of making a BCS bowl, it's hard to say the decision was about a lack of revenue or prestige. I mean, we were only losing to FSU by 3 points going into the 4th quarter and, according to statistics I've seen in the past, rematches don't usually favor the prior victor. I don't think a loss to FSU was necessarily a forgone conclusion. I think we had a legitimate shot at a ship and a BCS title; I just think we realized that a second bowl ban is incredibly likely and it's best to take our lumps now, rather than later.

That being said, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, but I thank you for being civil and cordial.

 

[Scanedalous]

What planet do you live on?

Are you familiar with lobbyist's or do you honestly live in the twilight zone and think they're all clean?

I'm not saying pay them off, but to say we've ENGAGED THEM AT ALL is laughable at best.

having a politician even propose building a new stadium within 40 miles of miami-dade country would be political suicide. the only people that want a new stadium for the canes are miami fans. i do want a new stadium and i want that more than anything, but the fact is that it's not realistic at this juncture. if it wasn't for jeffrey loria, we would have an outside shot at it, but the marlins' park fiasco has torpedoed any possibility of new construction any time soon.

THANK YOU. it seems that hegemon is the only one that didnt see what happened last week w the marlins fiasco. you really think anything even related to a stadium will be built. **** no not now not for another 40 years which is when the marlins park will be paid off and the county will have it off their books. also a new stadium will not be the reason we win or lose. its the players on the field that will decide. the 01 canes didnt win bc of the OB they won bc the team was amazing. we were losing in the OB too after the 01 title. we havent won 10 games since 03 and we played in the oB till 07. so whats the excuse there? i remember in 05 they used temp lights for the gt game and moved everyone from teh upper bowl to the lower bowl against uNC when we wore those ND lookalike unis

May I ask you something? What would a privately built stadium have to do with the city of Miami? I am not seeing how local government is controlling Miami's private ventures.

UM is building and has recently built a great deal of buildings both on and off campus. The city of Miami has little if anything to do with those private investments.

I would not expect any city to build anything for UofM. I would expect my university to assume that responsibility for its own future and no be reliant on ever changing local governments. That's is how we lost the OB. It was through 80 years of failure to assume responsibility for your own student athletes and university community. We continue down that path today.

it wouldnt have anything to do w the city of miami or miami dade county if UM chooses to fund it privately. building a new rat and a student activities center isnt along the same lines of building a stadium nor does it take the same land. i would love if UM would build a stadium for the canes but i know i wont see it unless we can come up w 100m of our own money to put towards it. there is no room on campus nor will gables will allow a stadium to built on campus if there was room. tropical park is a great location but again UM tried to build a stadium w FIU but they backed out and it fell apart. if we want a stadium we cant be naive and expect UM to pay for it completely. they have other needs outside of a stadium right now. they have a lease with SLS and didnt own the OB (county owned). only fans see a stadium as an issue but in reality its the best we can do right now. it is a pro stadium that is kept in good condition unlike the OB and until UM sees it as a problem or finds a solution for another stadium we will stay at SLS till the end of our lease. it also took like 10 last call at the rats before they actually tore it down and started building the new student activities center

I'm in shock that our administration would even consider sharing a venue with FIU. That is astonishing and I don't truly believe that myth either as there is no reason for FIU to share its stadium with UofM. How humiliating for a University such as Miami to feel the desperation so deeply that it crawls down the road to a ask supremely lesser university for a pound of bread to eat.

That alone should serve as evidence of the administrative failure at UofM

I would hate to trivialize this issue with comments such as the building a new Rat, RIP old Rat. RIP old friend. As I said, somehow it manages to be within the means of many private universities in CFB. I believe one of them beat the #1 team in the country this past saturday. I'm certain UM isn't inferior to a small baptist college in Texas. What do you think?

I don't follow your comments on only fans viewing a stadium as an issue. Please exain this point because it is an important one.

The stadium issue is all encompassing. It has a great affect on our students (my son), our alumni (my family), our ability to build a financial structure for the athletics department that allows for increased profits in the cash cow sport. Those non-shared profits fund all other athletics, help sustain and maintain facilities, help retain and hire talented human resources, it obviously helps recruiting tremendously when you eliminate what is in my mind the only true negative to playing at Miami. Unfortunately that negative is symbolic of larger issues a play which contribute to sports administrative struggles in the AD

This stadium issue is at the core of UofM's problems. Those who fail to see this simply lack an understanding of intercollegiate athletics, how they are funded and sustained. A football stadium is an enormous financial tool to an athletic department. There is a great reason why schools continue to build new ones where old ones did not exist, rebuild and expand existing stadiums and move away from NFL or off campus facilities and build privately owned in campus stadiums. It certainly is not because they are all business dumb and UofM is setting the bar in savvy financing.

 

[Hegemon]

Why even bother.

These guys are the spawn of Dawn Bailey Junior.

 

[CaneInsideHer]

Why even bother.

These guys are the spawn of Dawn Bailey Junior.

So you're not going to address my post about the inaccuracies in yours regarding the timing?

 

[Hegemon]

the admin made the right decision to take the ban and it is not their fault the NCAA has taken this long in their investigation. and why would they have done it sooner if they did not know what their decision would be. what is the point of doing it earlier so you can know if the team has a shot or not? an article i read said if we announced before the year then juniors and seniors are allowed to transfer without penalty. if they were not sure if a ban would be necessary why run the risk of losing ur juniors?

Why not do it after Duke?

Garentee you if Duke was a home game things would be different.

I'm not questioning the ban. Mitigate the damage now obviously. The timing is bull****.

We did it after our 6th victory, just like we did last year. And last year, we DID still have a home game remaining, but made the announcement anyway. The timing has nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with becoming bowl eligible.

Hege, still waiting for your response on this.

Unlike last year this year we have a clearer understanding of what we're going to be hit with.

If we don't please fire the lawyers representing this university because this entire fiasco has been handled poorly.

That starts at the top with the Troll.

 

[Hegemon]

Why even bother.

These guys are the spawn of Dawn Bailey Junior.

So you're not going to address my post about the inaccuracies in yours regarding the timing?

I know you're going to make excuses for this administration, but I just did.

Enjoy

 

[traitor71]

I feel nothing but absolute disgust for our "admin". If you can even call them that.

Of course we'll self impose after another pathetic home crowd showing at our last home game (I attended it personally.....glad we pushed USF's **** in).

What a total travesty for these football players, coaching, and staff on this current team.

Donna Mountain Troll Shalala has personally overseen the annihilation of this football program since she took over. Based on sheer results both on the field and who she has selected to "lead" (really? LOL!) our athletic department.

Make no mistake our admin could have done this at the beginning of the year or much sooner.


On to the NCAA....

Really guys? Really? PSU's scandel of the millenium got it's punishment SIX MONTHS after it was brought into the sunlight.

SIX MONTHS.....think about that ladies and gentlemen and the amount of sheer disgusting lunacy that took place up there.....




WE'RE GOING ON TWO YEARS NOW..........TWO!

Golden is starting to lose his cool on the subject and you can see it in his verbiage. The guy knows we're getting F*****D from both sides of the ***** right now and one side ain't round.

End Rant

**** you Mountain Troll and NCAA

Sileo, is that you?