My Stance on Mario

[RVACane]

See this is where I get baffled....how can we accept the Kinslers and Coopers but not the guys with the same body type as McCoy?

Have you see McCoy?

That's this class.

McCoy too. I don’t see any McCoys. I’m trying to stay away from Mauigoa and Samson and look at three stars in 23 vs three stars in 24 without crying “no 5 stars” which is obvious. I’m simply looking at the run of the mill player in 23 vs 24.

 

[Dghustla]

Throw the short passes he threw all game to Brashard or Ray Ray and let your playmakers with speed try to get you into field goal range. That’s debatable though.

Regardless, and what isn’t debatable, is if Mario’s going to run out the clock - after the GT debacle - you take the knee. The MariBro’s have zero justification for defending this and ignoring it under the guise of “we won” doesn’t change the reality that this guy’s not very smart and is really an awful game coRch. Awful.

But it’s sensible to apply the “should have kneed” logic to every situation?

It’s very common for coaches even when they aren’t aggressively trying to push the ball to run one play and see if you can spring one then decide how to finish the game when you are tied.

We ran a play didn’t spring it and the rest is history.

Mario doesn’t value timeouts the same way the average fan does or possible the average coach does.

so what?

GaTech happened it sucks.

But what are the “anti-mari-bros” going to do for the next 5 years? Cry of every call he makes or doesn’t make to confirm the bias they had about him before he ever took the job here?

 

[90scane]

He didn’t but we smash mouth bro-style dominated Clemson on the ground and he didn’t lose it which is pretty good considering he’s a true freshman without the best mechanics right now and not much experience.

He must have bigger hands to have good control without using the laces. Overall, I'm more concerned with our fans pushing him to be the starter without giving him more time to adjust to the speed of the game. Clearly, he can work on a bunch of things and could be our starter in 2024.

 

[Seeker]

The gameday stuff I can live with as long as we’re the top team talent-wise in the state (recruiting, which eventually leads to roster), and top 10 nationally. Even a gameday corch like Mario will win 9+ games if we have a top 10 roster in college football.

We’re currently a clear-cut third in the state (recruiting), and trending outside the top 12-13 nationally. 20th!!! in average rating per recruit.

Inexcusable on that front. If it’s a money issue, fix it. That’s my main gripe.

You’ve got 2 months Mario. Way too many JAGS in this class that need to be sent elsewhere, but if you can’t bring in better talent (which uhh…was why he was brought to Miami in the first place…), then you better hope these kids are developed.

Seeing our in-state rivals in the top 4, with us likely finishing outside the top 10, is obviously not ideal. Playing the odds, you want the highest ranked class possible. But the truth is you can't really judge a class until 3 or 4 years out.

Landry Football did a re-rank of the 2019 class and there were big discrepancies between the re-rank and class rank based on actual performance/production and NFL draft picks.

Here's his re-ranked top 10, with 2019 class rank in parentheses:

1. Georgia (2)
2. Ohio St. (14)
3. Michigan (8)
4. Bama (1)
5. Clemson (10)
6. Penn St. (12)
7. A&M (4)
8. NC St. (32)
9. Pitt (54)
10. Ole Miss (22)

Look at our own case. We had the 8th ranked class in 2018, but it's probably the worst 8th ranked class in recruiting rankings history. And our 2022 class...the bottom 5, mostly mid-level 3 stars (Cooper, Young, Moten, McCoy, Harris), are outperforming or have shown more potential than the top 5, all mid-high level 4 stars (Graves, Citizen, Skinner, Kelly, Moss).

But putting aside how this class ends up being ranked, the way I look at it is: Overall, will this 2024 class get us better and allow us to keep building? I think it will.

 

[miamicanephins]

The not kneeling I don’t accept. Clemson didn’t use their timeouts when we handed the ball off.

Yes, Clemson wanted to get to OT, that's what anybody in their position would have wanted. To level the playing field. Miami was in the driver's seat, but Mario gave that up , exactly what Clempson needed at the time. It gave them a chance to win.

 

[TheEye]

I was gonna post this even before Clemson but decided against it as i knew it was only gonna ignite more intense arguments on a 2 game losing streak. Winning v Clemson didnt change it, nor would it have if we lost.

When Mario came in i decided i was gonna allow man to bring in 3 full recruiting classes. So that means when '23 class are 3rd year players. That means im gonna live through asking myself almost once a day, why we didn't kneel the ball v GT, and what tf is up with these random timeouts when it seems we have the upper hand. Playing for overtime when we have Clemson on the ropes. I decided i will live through these things. I figured Manny, Shannon and Golden were not up to the challenge at various points and they never would be. I hear fans talk about some of the mind boggling things Butch did that made fans get on his bum on gameday. Mario Cristobal seems to be almost solely driven by analytics and it seems that leads to some of the questionable game day decisions. I have to not only live with that but expect it. Its part of our team now, its gonna happen.

Lincoln Riley and Kiffin are probably the two most genius coaches and anytime they get into meaningful games on the national stage, they dont even show up. Riley get punked by bro style king Wittingham at Utah back to back and Kiffin getting put his place by one of Saban's worse teams.

Magic coaching not gonna fix us and i like the coordinators we have, even the assistant coaches.

Unless recruiting totally implodes or we just start getting smoke Al Golden and Manny style. Ima strap in. The older i get the more i put things into perspective and see the value of hindsight.

No one game or one event gonna change my stance on that. I see things i like and things i dont like. I like the overall direction.

Also, he aint going nowhere. Mario has an expensive buyout and calling for his head before year 4 is only going to push away recruits and do nothing for change.

 

[JHallCanes]

The recruiting landscape is a bit wild the last two years with NIL

Some teams were on it early, like us, and then other teams made huge adjustments this year

A few teams that cleaned up last year are struggling

Not to define it too simply but it feels like market correction to me following along and knowing some people heavily involved with NIL here and at other programs

2024 class is make or break on in person evals which has been a huge focus this year

We have to stack classes for sure but if we keep winning and monitoring the current landscape I expect an elite 2025 class

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

They got embarrassed everytime. He inherited a churning machine at OU in a weak conference, not a single playoff win. He goes to USC and is doing much the same with a so called generational QB. I wasnt being sarcastic when i said he and Kiffin are the most schematic genius coaches around. My point is, it takes more than that to win big. And no i would not take Riley here. Football is played in 3 phases, not 1.

The lost to UGA in double OT and UGA went on to be the championship game and barely lose to Bama
Next year got back and lost to the runner-up once again. This game was not as close
The following year, lost to an historically great LSU squad who dominated everyone pretty much
The following year they dogged Florida(yes with opt outs) by 35
Lincoln's last year they were 10-2 and lost to two ranked opponents

Takes over a 4-8 and then goes 11-3 only losing to ranked opponents, Utah twice.


You guys are basing the Mario hype on hopes, when there is more factual proof that Mario will continue to have games where he loses to inferior opponents, no matter how "physical" his teams are. Even with his focus on "3 phases" of the game. So Lincoln gets "embarrassed" after dominating his "weak" conference, (without COVID help). What did Mario do in his even weaker conference with a talented roster? Where are his CFP appearances? Oh that's right he lost to a 8-5 UNRANKED, ARIZONA STATE team who didn't have the roster close to what he had

 

[RVACane]

But it’s sensible to apply the “should have kneed” logic to every situation?

It’s very common for coaches even when they aren’t aggressively trying to push the ball to run one play and see if you can spring one then decide how to finish the game when you are tied.

We ran a play didn’t spring it and the rest is history.

Mario doesn’t value timeouts the same way the average fan does or possible the average coach does.

so what?

GaTech happened it sucks.

But what are the “anti-mari-bros” going to do for the next 5 years? Cry of every call he makes or doesn’t make to confirm the bias they had about him before he ever took the job here?

Bias? The bias is really calling it what it is. So, yeah, we are going to call it as we see it. As we see it, he’s a horrible gameday coRch. He’s a very good recruiter but his coRchery and a lack of spending on players the way the other two programs in the state are will stifle him further. He needs to get overwhelming talent.

 

[Hegemon]

McCoy too. I don’t see any McCoys. I’m trying to stay away from Mauigoa and Samson and look at three stars in 23 vs three stars in 24 without crying “no 5 stars” which is obvious. I’m simply looking at the run of the mill player in 23 vs 24.

Fair enough

JMHO but Mario and Mirabel can do whatever they want on the OL. I feel like they earned it.

Evals
Development
Talent

No chance we're bringing in last year's class this year.

 

[RVACane]

Fair enough

JMHO but Mario and Mirabel can do whatever they want on the OL. I feel like they earned it.

Evals
Development
Talent

No chance we're bringing in last year's class this year.

Yeah, I have to let it go on OL until they show otherwise. I don’t see it this year but their track record and position group at OL is great. I don’t get how they don’t have more coming in for 24. There has to be a money component. It makes no sense otherwise.

 

[RVACane]

Yes, Clemson wanted to get to OT, that's what anybody in their position would have wanted. To level the playing field. Miami was in the driver's seat, but Mario gave that up , exactly what Clempson needed at the time. It gave them a chance to win.

I agree. We had the ball and some time. That’s 100%. In OT it becomes an even 50-50%. Thank God we won though.

 

[P-Tizzle]

I was gonna post this even before Clemson but decided against it as i knew it was only gonna ignite more intense arguments on a 2 game losing streak. Winning v Clemson didnt change it, nor would it have if we lost.

When Mario came in i decided i was gonna allow man to bring in 3 full recruiting classes. So that means when '23 class are 3rd year players. That means im gonna live through asking myself almost once a day, why we didn't kneel the ball v GT, and what tf is up with these random timeouts when it seems we have the upper hand. Playing for overtime when we have Clemson on the ropes. I decided i will live through these things. I figured Manny, Shannon and Golden were not up to the challenge at various points and they never would be. I hear fans talk about some of the mind boggling things Butch did that made fans get on his bum on gameday. Mario Cristobal seems to be almost solely driven by analytics and it seems that leads to some of the questionable game day decisions. I have to not only live with that but expect it. Its part of our team now, its gonna happen.

Lincoln Riley and Kiffin are probably the two most genius coaches and anytime they get into meaningful games on the national stage, they dont even show up. Riley get punked by bro style king Wittingham at Utah back to back and Kiffin getting put his place by one of Saban's worse teams.

Magic coaching not gonna fix us and i like the coordinators we have, even the assistant coaches.

Unless recruiting totally implodes or we just start getting smoke Al Golden and Manny style. Ima strap in. The older i get the more i put things into perspective and see the value of hindsight.

No one game or one event gonna change my stance on that. I see things i like and things i dont like. I like the overall direction.

Mario didn't make a bad decision by playing for OT vs Clemson.

 

[Hegemon]

Yeah, I have to let it go on OL until they show otherwise. I don’t see it this year but their track record and position group at OL is great. I don’t get how they don’t have more coming in for 24. There has to be a money component. It makes no sense otherwise.

I can tell you with authority the recent DT was $ nothing more or less.

 

[supacane]

The lost to UGA in double OT and UGA went on to be the championship game and barely lose to Bama
Next year got back and lost to the runner-up once again. This game was not as close
The following year, lost to an historically great LSU squad who dominated everyone pretty much
The following year they dogged Florida(yes with opt outs) by 35
Lincoln's last year they were 10-2 and lost to two ranked opponents

Takes over a 4-8 and then goes 11-3 only losing to ranked opponents, Utah twice.


You guys are basing the Mario hype on hopes, when there is more factual proof that Mario will continue to have games where he loses to inferior opponents, no matter how "physical" his teams are. Even with his focus on "3 phases" of the game. So Lincoln gets "embarrassed" after dominating his "weak" conference, (without COVID help). What did Mario do in his even weaker conference with a talented roster? Where are his CFP appearances? Oh that's right he lost to a 8-5 UNRANKED, ARIZONA STATE team who didn't have the roster close to what he had

I have no hype about Mario. I just haven't made any determination on him like i laid out in the OP. Alot of you have and thats fine.

 

[supacane]

Mario didn't make a bad decision by playing for OT vs Clemson.

Wasnt a bad decision. Was just questionable to me. Had we lost that game, the mood here would be highly different. But i digress.

 

[RVACane]

I can tell you with authority the recent DT was $ nothing more or less.

I don't doubt we’re getting beat with $ at DT but when we’ve apparently been the high bidder at DT we’ve also gotten beat. I think Blount wants to go to FSU and we were used to up the offer. We really need to score there in the portal.

 

[P-Tizzle]

Wasnt a bad decision. Was just questionable to me. Had we lost that game, the mood here would be highly different. But i digress.

If our true Freshman QB turns that ball over and Clemson scores to win the game (they had two timeouts left; we only had one), we would have sent SWAT over to Mario's house after the game. ****, I'd go over there myself. He made the right decision. We had the better lines and kicker. Shortening the field for our TF QB was smart. And it worked out.

 

[Cribby]

It was not a brain fart. I was at the game. We had 2nd and 12 with 1:18 to go and GT with zero time outs. It was over then and he ran it. The 2nd time we ran it on 3rd was when the fumble happened. If the fumble happened the first run i could buy it. @Cribby pointed out Dawson and others told him GT was out of timeouts. Some macho man bull flew into his head. Still makes me sick to be honest. 6-1 with all our season goals ahead was there for us. We will see the lessons he takes or does not take from that

Not Dawson , there’s people that’s only job is to know every analytic / data for every situation known to man.

 

[407cane]

Don't disagree with most of this, but gentle reminder that Mario got straight WHUPPED by Utah twice in 21 at Oregon.

yeah i won't defend that too much but considering he was miami's head coach 72 hours after that last beating, it's hard for me to take much stock into those types of games, not just for mario but for any coach that is in that situation