We shouldn't self-impose another post-season ban

[CanesAreAble]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

Disagree.

If this was such a no-brainer, we should've taken the bowl ban at the beginning of the season. You don't have to be bowl-eligible for a bowl ban to take effect.

And I agree this is ALL about recruiting. Sitting out a bowl game this year hurts the 2013 class more than potentially missing a bowl game next year. By then, we'll have our NOA. What do the 2013 freshmen care that they won't be playing a bowl game AFTER they've signed their LOI? What do the 2014 freshmen care about that? They wouldn't even be on campus yet.

The only way it makes sense to sit out a bowl game is if the NCAA gives us THREE-year bowl ban, which isn't going to happen.

or you can tell recruits that we already took our 2 bowls and there's little to no chance that we're getting a third so they're bowl-eligible as freshmen. remember that the players can be released from their LOIs (which is how we got henderson from usc). if we self-impose, it helps recruiting. if we play the championship game and self-impose a bowl/bcs game (if we happen to win), it looks even better to the ncaa because we sacrifice that much more.

I don't see players asking to be released because they miss ONE bowl game as true freshmen.

If we were going to self-impose, we should've already done it.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

Agree with Lu, bomb, AU, etc., this is a NO-BRAINER.

While the ACCCG isn't a bowl game, it is considered a postseason game. And when the NCAA doles out sanctions, it makes teams ineligible for all postseason games. See USC last year, Ohio State this year as examples. Assuming the NCAA is going to hammer us for at least two post-seasons (and personally, I expect 3), it'd be moronic to NOT self-impose this year.

Plus, think about the optics here. Say we do win out, head to the ACCCG at 8-4 and somehow beat FSU or Clemson. Then what? You'd want to forfeit the BCS bowl at that point? And the BCS gets what? Stuck with the loser of the ACCCG? They'd love that. And what if, as is more likely, we lose to FSU/Clemson? Then we try and self-impose (a ****** bowl game) at that point? The self-imposition will look disingenuous.

I think some of you are being incredibly myopic here. Think big picture -- the faster we can get this **** behind us, the better. I think telling recruits you are one year closer to being out of this dark cloud is worth a lot more than telling them you played in the ACCCG. And based on everything I have been told, Golden agrees with me.

So you're saying we should self-impose as soon as we get our 6th win?

I really don't think we forgo the ACCCG.

And I REALLY don't think we get hit with the 3rd post-season ban. That hasn't happened in 30 years (except for Penn State).

What if 3 postseason games missed meant they would lighten our scholarship reductions?

Instead of 15 over 3, they make it 9 over 3?

 

[cane305]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

are you kidding me?

recruiting well doesn't win you games.

who do you think we are, Florida State?

why the *** should Al Golden put the interest of POTENTIAL UM players over CURRENT ONES!

people like you who put recruiting above all else are grossly misguided/misinformed

 

[dookie blaylock]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

Disagree.

If this was such a no-brainer, we should've taken the bowl ban at the beginning of the season. You don't have to be bowl-eligible for a bowl ban to take effect.

And I agree this is ALL about recruiting. Sitting out a bowl game this year hurts the 2013 class more than potentially missing a bowl game next year. By then, we'll have our NOA. What do the 2013 freshmen care that they won't be playing a bowl game AFTER they've signed their LOI? What do the 2014 freshmen care about that? They wouldn't even be on campus yet.

The only way it makes sense to sit out a bowl game is if the NCAA gives us THREE-year bowl ban, which isn't going to happen.

or you can tell recruits that we already took our 2 bowls and there's little to no chance that we're getting a third so they're bowl-eligible as freshmen. remember that the players can be released from their LOIs (which is how we got henderson from usc). if we self-impose, it helps recruiting. if we play the championship game and self-impose a bowl/bcs game (if we happen to win), it looks even better to the ncaa because we sacrifice that much more.

I don't see players asking to be released because they miss ONE bowl game as true freshmen.

If we were going to self-impose, we should've already done it.

in this day and age, kids leave for just about anything. plus, that doesn't include the possibility of probation (and given the ncaa's track record of inconsistency that is a longshot, but plausible, possibility) and scholarship losses. self-imposing could (i won't guarantee that they will) soften the blow of other sanctions if they come.

 

[Gennaker Cane]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

Disagree.

If this was such a no-brainer, we should've taken the bowl ban at the beginning of the season. You don't have to be bowl-eligible for a bowl ban to take effect.

And I agree this is ALL about recruiting. Sitting out a bowl game this year hurts the 2013 class more than potentially missing a bowl game next year. By then, we'll have our NOA. What do the 2013 freshmen care that they won't be playing a bowl game AFTER they've signed their LOI? What do the 2014 freshmen care about that? They wouldn't even be on campus yet.

The only way it makes sense to sit out a bowl game is if the NCAA gives us THREE-year bowl ban, which isn't going to happen.

Agree with Able on this one. I honestly don't know whether the NCAA considers a conference championship game a post-season game or not, but they have never banned a team from competing for their conference title, or playing in the game. The conferences themselves impose bans on those games, the NCAA just bans you from bowl games. Skipping the title game wouldn't add anything, regardless of how many people re-tweet the speculation out there. And there is NO GAIN IN REVENUE if we go to a bowl or conference title game; everyone in the ACC gets the same amount, we actually make more sometimes by not going because we don't have any expenses to worry about. Lastly, there's a chance that imposing this year could hurt our revenue; I could be wrong, but I believe if 1) we are inelligible for post-season play and 2) the ACC can't fill all of it's bowl tie-ins, we don't get to share in the revenue.
We only know half of the story so far, we have no idea what UM's response has been, what info has been proven/disproven (Pee Wee and Shairo are still the only two on record thus far). Things look bad, but if the situation was as hopeless as it appears I also can't believe we wouldn't have announced a self-imposed ban in week 1 or 2, just to get it behind us.

 

[CanesAreAble]

If i'm not mistaken the University must inform the NCAA of the ban before the ACC Title Game therefor eliminating us from it. I believe it is actually a rule (someone might have to look). So why take the bowl ban? Because there is no benefit from playing for a 4th time on National TV and getting trounced! We have had 3 chances to show what we are made of on the biggest games of the year and for the most part have been embarrassed. If you think taking a bowl ban would hurt recruiting do you think another national televised *** whooping would help?

As far as the individuals who think we are not going to get hit hard or with anything your in denial! This spans over 10 years of LOI on our part. Without question I see a fair sanction of a 2 year bowl ban (Which 1 we have served already) and loss of scholarships on a minimal level. Face it the team has heart, fights hard, but is no way in any shape to play a bowl game. Why not take the hit while we and the whole country knows we are not good? As far as recruiting is concerned I don't see how this can't help? We walk in and if anyone even hints concerns of sanctions we tell them we have already taken our lumps while building the new culture and are not ready to be elite and that is why we are here sitting talking to your son to make the journey together.

We all know that 2014 will be a loaded year in South Florida so why go in with questions if we will get hit with one more ban by not taking it this year. It makes the staff and the recruits that much more at ease with the situation.

Losing a bowl game in 2013 is irrelevant to the 2014 recruits. We'll know what our sanctions are by then.

Let's say we self-impose and our NOA doesn't come out until after signing day (I don't think it will stretch far, but let's pretend it does). That might scare off some recruits who think we're gonna get destroyed.

Playing the bowl game is a signal that we believe everything is fine.

As for your other point:

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME

 

[Problem2]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

are you kidding me?

recruiting well doesn't win you games.

Not sure if serious.

 

[gangis2169]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

are you kidding me?

recruiting well doesn't win you games.

who do you think we are, Florida State?

why the *** should Al Golden put the interest of POTENTIAL UM players over CURRENT ONES!

people like you who put recruiting above all else are grossly misguided/misinformed

And what are we missing right now? Depth? So how you gonna solve that one genius? Recruiting isn't the end all be all but it sure helps.

 

[dookie blaylock]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

are you kidding me?

recruiting well doesn't win you games.

who do you think we are, Florida State?

why the *** should Al Golden put the interest of POTENTIAL UM players over CURRENT ONES!

people like you who put recruiting above all else are grossly misguided/misinformed

elite recruiting wins games (fsu). player development wins games (virginia tech. this year is an anomaly). player development combined with elite recruiting wins championships (alabama).

 

[cane305]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

are you kidding me?

recruiting well doesn't win you games.

who do you think we are, Florida State?

why the *** should Al Golden put the interest of POTENTIAL UM players over CURRENT ONES!

people like you who put recruiting above all else are grossly misguided/misinformed

And what are we missing right now? Depth? So how you gonna solve that one genius? Recruiting isn't the end all be all but it sure helps.

Recruiting is important. but it's NOT and it shouldn't be the priority of a COACH, especially during the season.

ESPECIALLY when we are so close to the title game

 

[Problem2]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

are you kidding me?

recruiting well doesn't win you games.

who do you think we are, Florida State?

why the *** should Al Golden put the interest of POTENTIAL UM players over CURRENT ONES!

people like you who put recruiting above all else are grossly misguided/misinformed

And what are we missing right now? Depth? So how you gonna solve that one genius? Recruiting isn't the end all be all but it sure helps.

Recruiting is important. but it's NOT and it shouldn't be the priority of a COACH, especially during the season.

ESPECIALLY when we are so close to the title game

lol I'm pretty sure Golden can handle doing both.

 

[dookie blaylock]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

are you kidding me?

recruiting well doesn't win you games.

who do you think we are, Florida State?

why the *** should Al Golden put the interest of POTENTIAL UM players over CURRENT ONES!

people like you who put recruiting above all else are grossly misguided/misinformed

And what are we missing right now? Depth? So how you gonna solve that one genius? Recruiting isn't the end all be all but it sure helps.

Recruiting is important. but it's NOT and it shouldn't be the priority of a COACH, especially during the season.

ESPECIALLY when we are so close to the title game

i can't tell if you're trolling or just an idiot

 

[gangis2169]

If i'm not mistaken the University must inform the NCAA of the ban before the ACC Title Game therefor eliminating us from it. I believe it is actually a rule (someone might have to look). So why take the bowl ban? Because there is no benefit from playing for a 4th time on National TV and getting trounced! We have had 3 chances to show what we are made of on the biggest games of the year and for the most part have been embarrassed. If you think taking a bowl ban would hurt recruiting do you think another national televised *** whooping would help?

As far as the individuals who think we are not going to get hit hard or with anything your in denial! This spans over 10 years of LOI on our part. Without question I see a fair sanction of a 2 year bowl ban (Which 1 we have served already) and loss of scholarships on a minimal level. Face it the team has heart, fights hard, but is no way in any shape to play a bowl game. Why not take the hit while we and the whole country knows we are not good? As far as recruiting is concerned I don't see how this can't help? We walk in and if anyone even hints concerns of sanctions we tell them we have already taken our lumps while building the new culture and are not ready to be elite and that is why we are here sitting talking to your son to make the journey together.

We all know that 2014 will be a loaded year in South Florida so why go in with questions if we will get hit with one more ban by not taking it this year. It makes the staff and the recruits that much more at ease with the situation.

Losing a bowl game in 2013 is irrelevant to the 2014 recruits. We'll know what our sanctions are by then.

Let's say we self-impose and our NOA doesn't come out until after signing day (I don't think it will stretch far, but let's pretend it does). That might scare off some recruits who think we're gonna get destroyed.

Playing the bowl game is a signal that we believe everything is fine.

As for your other point:

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME

I see your point but totally disagree from the recruits that I have talked to over the last 10 years and seen gone elsewhere when a university is in trouble. There is no need to be ****y and go play a game we don't belong in. ****iness gets a university nowhere! Ask USC! Be proactive and acknowledge that we have make mistakes and we are making an effort to move forward.

 

[cane305]

but allowing our admin to ban us from the bowl game just for recruiting means you are stabbing your seniors in the back.

By imposing bowl bans you are basically saying,

"Sorry Davon Johnson, your 5 years worth of work is less important to us than Matthew Thomas playing for the next 3 or 4."

 

[cane305]

and what do we do when we forgo the title game and/or bowl but NCAA STILL gives us a ban?

 

[DiegoCane]

If we get 2 years, which I think we will its a no-brainer. 2013 Canes > 2012 Canes. To play in the ACCCG this year, if you think we are gettin 2 years is crazy. We will probably lose (FSU and Clemson are better teams) and we are stuck in a ****** bowl. We have potential to be pretty good next year.

 

[CanesAreAble]

This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.

Disagree.

If this was such a no-brainer, we should've taken the bowl ban at the beginning of the season. You don't have to be bowl-eligible for a bowl ban to take effect.

And I agree this is ALL about recruiting. Sitting out a bowl game this year hurts the 2013 class more than potentially missing a bowl game next year. By then, we'll have our NOA. What do the 2013 freshmen care that they won't be playing a bowl game AFTER they've signed their LOI? What do the 2014 freshmen care about that? They wouldn't even be on campus yet.

The only way it makes sense to sit out a bowl game is if the NCAA gives us THREE-year bowl ban, which isn't going to happen.

or you can tell recruits that we already took our 2 bowls and there's little to no chance that we're getting a third so they're bowl-eligible as freshmen. remember that the players can be released from their LOIs (which is how we got henderson from usc). if we self-impose, it helps recruiting. if we play the championship game and self-impose a bowl/bcs game (if we happen to win), it looks even better to the ncaa because we sacrifice that much more.

I don't see players asking to be released because they miss ONE bowl game as true freshmen.

If we were going to self-impose, we should've already done it.

in this day and age, kids leave for just about anything. plus, that doesn't include the possibility of probation (and given the ncaa's track record of inconsistency that is a longshot, but plausible, possibility) and scholarship losses. self-imposing could (i won't guarantee that they will) soften the blow of other sanctions if they come.

If kids leave for anything, what if a recruit is unconcerned about the sanctions, but then freaks out when we out-of-the-blue self-impose again? That could cause some 2013 kids to waver (namely Matthew Thomas).

Imagine what beating FSU in the ACCCG could do for recruiting. That's a serious long-shot, but I'm just saying.

I'll that recruiting momentum over missing a 2013 bowl game. And again, I think we only lose one bowl game.

 

[DiegoCane]

but allowing our admin to ban us from the bowl game just for recruiting means you are stabbing your seniors in the back.

By imposing bowl bans you are basically saying,

"Sorry Davon Johnson, your 5 years worth of work is less important to us than Matthew Thomas playing for the next 3 or 4."

So you want to mortgage our future so James and DJ can play in the Emerald Bowl? Nice Logic

 

[Consigliere]

but allowing our admin to ban us from the bowl game just for recruiting means you are stabbing your seniors in the back.

By imposing bowl bans you are basically saying,

"Sorry Davon Johnson, your 5 years worth of work is less important to us than Matthew Thomas playing for the next 3 or 4."

No player is bigger than the program. Do what is best for the program PERIOD.

To the seniors who have us in this mess, sorry about it but those are the facts. It was the seniors Dyron Dye currently, former players in the class (Forston, Johnson, Harris) who hurt us and put us here (Pre-Sanctions).

 

[gangis2169]

but allowing our admin to ban us from the bowl game just for recruiting means you are stabbing your seniors in the back.

By imposing bowl bans you are basically saying,

"Sorry Davon Johnson, your 5 years worth of work is less important to us than Matthew Thomas playing for the next 3 or 4."

Hello! He was part of a recruiting class in 2008 and 09 that were on the take since when do a couple of players get what they want when numerous players had infractions? Its called being a part of a team when your team makes a mistake you pay as well. It's crap I know but it's the way the NCAA has been for years should be no surprise!