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Take it now, I don't see us getting a 3 bowl ban penalty from the NCAA.

As for UCF, they were already on probation when the AD committed the violations, and still only got a 1 year ban. Even UCF should take their ban this year, but they are fighting it.
 
You guys realize that we have little to no information, while it is "fun" to talk on a message board about it, these aren't exactly educated and obvious answers.
 
SevenNSeven said:
HarryCarayisGoat said:
Without hesitation you self-impose.

Don't get me wrong...I would be thrilled with a ACC title game appearance. But if not playing for this year's ACC title and subsequent bowl game means no more bowl bans, then I'd be thrilled. Take a look at Ohio State-what if they self-imposed last year? They may be playing for the natty title this year if they had done the smart thing.
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That's just it. It doesn't.


We won't get our penalties until after the season. The NCAA doesn't look at it like "well, we were going to give you two years of post season bans, but, since you self-imposed them, you're cool." They don't say, "well, we were going to had out scholarship reductions of 12 over 4 years, but, since you took that second postseason ban and gosh darn it, we realize you coulda played in the ACC Championship, we're just gonna give you 9 over 3." They could totally disregard it for all we know.
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that is how it works. the ncaa looks at what the school does and factors that into punishment. if they say "three year bowl ban" then the 2 self-imposed will be counted retroactively (we won't get 3, 2 if anything else).

you also have to take into account that the ncaa is changing its compliance measures drastically. if we self-impose this year, it shows that we are willing to act proactively by doing it for an unprecedented 2 years. we didn't reduce our own scholarships at all last year and shouldn't because we need them. self-imposing a second bowl could reduce any scholarship loss to something negligible.

you're absolutely right that we don't know what we're going to get, but the safe bet for the long term is to go ahead and take it now.
 
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FreePawn said:
CanesAreAble said:
Bottom line is people don't follow the Canes like we do. They don't follow college football like we do. They don't know what the **** is going on.
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One of the most important lines I have read here or on any other boards. Lot of posters need to keep this on their minds ALL the time.
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in case you haven't noticed, a lot of people on these boards don't know what the **** is going on.
 
Agree with Lu, bomb, AU, etc., this is a NO-BRAINER.

While the ACCCG isn't a bowl game, it is considered a postseason game. And when the NCAA doles out sanctions, it makes teams ineligible for all postseason games. See USC last year, Ohio State this year as examples. Assuming the NCAA is going to hammer us for at least two post-seasons (and personally, I expect 3), it'd be moronic to NOT self-impose this year.

Plus, think about the optics here. Say we do win out, head to the ACCCG at 8-4 and somehow beat FSU or Clemson. Then what? You'd want to forfeit the BCS bowl at that point? And the BCS gets what? Stuck with the loser of the ACCCG? They'd love that. And what if, as is more likely, we lose to FSU/Clemson? Then we try and self-impose (a ****** bowl game) at that point? The self-imposition will look disingenuous.

I think some of you are being incredibly myopic here. Think big picture -- the faster we can get this **** behind us, the better. I think telling recruits you are one year closer to being out of this dark cloud is worth a lot more than telling them you played in the ACCCG. And based on everything I have been told, Golden agrees with me.
 
That is the mistake Ohio State made. They should be in contention for a national championship but they can't.

Take the bowl ban and put the bull**** behind us.
 
OSU didnt self impose anything. we've already done 1

why on earth do people think we'll get 3 year ban? 2 is possible. 3 is not

personally i think 1 is all we'll get. the admin at UM should have a feel for where the investigation is going and whether another self imposed ban is needed
 
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Bigtip said:
OSU didnt self impose anything. we've already done 1

why on earth do people think we'll get 3 year ban? 2 is possible. 3 is not

personally i think 1 is all we'll get. the admin at UM should have a feel for where the investigation is going and whether another self imposed ban is needed
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I also think it is 1 too. Nobody has self-imposed a 2 year ban FWIW.
 
Absolutely no bowl bans (unless we finish 6 and 6). Our seniors gave way too much to be punished.

Also I want to see a bowl Win before I graduate
 
We should self impose, then play a charity "on probation" bowl with Ohio State*. All monies go to Sandusky fund set up by Penn State.
 
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Interim athletic director Blake James said the school has yet to decide how it'll handle a potential self-imposed ban as the NCAA investigation into past recruiting drags on.

“Yeah, it’s a conversation that I know I have to have with [UM president] Donna [Shalala] here and get a better understanding," James told the Sun Sentinel after Thursday's 30-12 win over Virginia Tech. "I’m getting up to speed on it. … It’s not a decision that we have to make right now.”


Miami (5-4, 4-2 ACC) took itself out of postseason discussion a year ago in the wake of the Nevin Shapiro allegations.

But there's a little more on the line this year.

The Hurricanes could clinch a spot in the ACC Championship Game as early as next week and hold the inside track for the Coastal Division title either way.

“It’s an institutional call, so it will be Donna and myself and consultation with the people we have involved with the NCAA case,” James said.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...f-ncaa-investigation-20121102,0,4985768.story
 
bomb said:
This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.
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Disagree.

If this was such a no-brainer, we should've taken the bowl ban at the beginning of the season. You don't have to be bowl-eligible for a bowl ban to take effect.

And I agree this is ALL about recruiting. Sitting out a bowl game this year hurts the 2013 class more than potentially missing a bowl game next year. By then, we'll have our NOA. What do the 2013 freshmen care that they won't be playing a bowl game AFTER they've signed their LOI? What do the 2014 freshmen care about that? They wouldn't even be on campus yet.

The only way it makes sense to sit out a bowl game is if the NCAA gives us THREE-year bowl ban, which isn't going to happen.
 
UMJer026 said:
Agree with Lu, bomb, AU, etc., this is a NO-BRAINER.

While the ACCCG isn't a bowl game, it is considered a postseason game. And when the NCAA doles out sanctions, it makes teams ineligible for all postseason games. See USC last year, Ohio State this year as examples. Assuming the NCAA is going to hammer us for at least two post-seasons (and personally, I expect 3), it'd be moronic to NOT self-impose this year.

Plus, think about the optics here. Say we do win out, head to the ACCCG at 8-4 and somehow beat FSU or Clemson. Then what? You'd want to forfeit the BCS bowl at that point? And the BCS gets what? Stuck with the loser of the ACCCG? They'd love that. And what if, as is more likely, we lose to FSU/Clemson? Then we try and self-impose (a ****** bowl game) at that point? The self-imposition will look disingenuous.

I think some of you are being incredibly myopic here. Think big picture -- the faster we can get this **** behind us, the better. I think telling recruits you are one year closer to being out of this dark cloud is worth a lot more than telling them you played in the ACCCG. And based on everything I have been told, Golden agrees with me.
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So you're saying we should self-impose as soon as we get our 6th win?

I really don't think we forgo the ACCCG.

And I REALLY don't think we get hit with the 3rd post-season ban. That hasn't happened in 30 years (except for Penn State).
 
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CanesAreAble said:
bomb said:
This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.
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Disagree.

If this was such a no-brainer, we should've taken the bowl ban at the beginning of the season. You don't have to be bowl-eligible for a bowl ban to take effect.

And I agree this is ALL about recruiting. Sitting out a bowl game this year hurts the 2013 class more than potentially missing a bowl game next year. By then, we'll have our NOA. What do the 2013 freshmen care that they won't be playing a bowl game AFTER they've signed their LOI? What do the 2014 freshmen care about that? They wouldn't even be on campus yet.

The only way it makes sense to sit out a bowl game is if the NCAA gives us THREE-year bowl ban, which isn't going to happen.
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or you can tell recruits that we already took our 2 bowls and there's little to no chance that we're getting a third so they're bowl-eligible as freshmen. remember that the players can be released from their LOIs (which is how we got henderson from usc). if we self-impose, it helps recruiting. if we play the championship game and self-impose a bowl/bcs game (if we happen to win), it looks even better to the ncaa because we sacrifice that much more.
 
You do not self impose again. We need our young team to experience championship level games and learn how to prepare for it...it will serve us well in the long run. There is no guarantee that will will get to the ACC title next year....the schedule is tough, and we still have Stephen Morris at QB (not good). We must take advantage of this opportunity that we have earned.
 
CanesAreAble said:
UMJer026 said:
Agree with Lu, bomb, AU, etc., this is a NO-BRAINER.

While the ACCCG isn't a bowl game, it is considered a postseason game. And when the NCAA doles out sanctions, it makes teams ineligible for all postseason games. See USC last year, Ohio State this year as examples. Assuming the NCAA is going to hammer us for at least two post-seasons (and personally, I expect 3), it'd be moronic to NOT self-impose this year.

Plus, think about the optics here. Say we do win out, head to the ACCCG at 8-4 and somehow beat FSU or Clemson. Then what? You'd want to forfeit the BCS bowl at that point? And the BCS gets what? Stuck with the loser of the ACCCG? They'd love that. And what if, as is more likely, we lose to FSU/Clemson? Then we try and self-impose (a ****ty bowl game) at that point? The self-imposition will look disingenuous.

I think some of you are being incredibly myopic here. Think big picture -- the faster we can get this **** behind us, the better. I think telling recruits you are one year closer to being out of this dark cloud is worth a lot more than telling them you played in the ACCCG. And based on everything I have been told, Golden agrees with me.
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So you're saying we should self-impose as soon as we get our 6th win?

I really don't think we forgo the ACCCG.

And I REALLY don't think we get hit with the 3rd post-season ban. That hasn't happened in 30 years (except for Penn State).
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We can do it now, we can self impose at anytime as long as eligible to self impose.

I think the school knows more and is waiting for our team first.
 
If i'm not mistaken the University must inform the NCAA of the ban before the ACC Title Game therefor eliminating us from it. I believe it is actually a rule (someone might have to look). So why take the bowl ban? Because there is no benefit from playing for a 4th time on National TV and getting trounced! We have had 3 chances to show what we are made of on the biggest games of the year and for the most part have been embarrassed. If you think taking a bowl ban would hurt recruiting do you think another national televised *** whooping would help?

As far as the individuals who think we are not going to get hit hard or with anything your in denial! This spans over 10 years of LOI on our part. Without question I see a fair sanction of a 2 year bowl ban (Which 1 we have served already) and loss of scholarships on a minimal level. Face it the team has heart, fights hard, but is no way in any shape to play a bowl game. Why not take the hit while we and the whole country knows we are not good? As far as recruiting is concerned I don't see how this can't help? We walk in and if anyone even hints concerns of sanctions we tell them we have already taken our lumps while building the new culture and are not ready to be elite and that is why we are here sitting talking to your son to make the journey together.

We all know that 2014 will be a loaded year in South Florida so why go in with questions if we will get hit with one more ban by not taking it this year. It makes the staff and the recruits that much more at ease with the situation.
 
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