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We shouldn't self-impose another post-season ban

CanesAreAble said:
Bottom line is people don't follow the Canes like we do. They don't follow college football like we do. They don't know what the **** is going on.
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One of the most important lines I have read here or on any other boards. Lot of posters need to keep this on their minds ALL the time.
 
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GhostofVenice01 said:
By no means do I think we only get 1 bowl ban. Believe me I hope we do, but I dont see the NCAA doin it especially how we all know they see us
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I tend to agree with you, but....we only got a 1 year ban in the 90s when we were caught illegally giving government money to half the athletes in all sports(among many other violations). Even if every Shapiro allegation is corroborated, it still would not be as bad as our prior violations.
 
PensacolaCane said:
GhostofVenice01 said:
By no means do I think we only get 1 bowl ban. Believe me I hope we do, but I dont see the NCAA doin it especially how we all know they see us
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I tend to agree with you, but....we only got a 1 year ban in the 90s when we were caught illegally giving government money to half the athletes in all sports(among many other violations). Even if every Shapiro allegation is corroborated, it still would not be as bad as our prior violations.
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What should happen and what will happen are two different things.

I've seen this story before. The NCAA is a capricious and hypocritical organization. I have a feeling we're going to get hammered because the NCAA is going to think we deserve it because of all the media outrage.

And I still don't think other major schools would've received 1/2 of the penalties we were hit with in the mid 90s. There's no question the NCAA treats schools differently.
 
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Take the ban, hit the weight room, get Golden and staff on the recruiting trail. We are not that good right now. Post season is meaningless.
 
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Are a bowl ban and participating in the ACCCG mutually exclusive?

I think we can play in the ACCCG and take a self imposed bowl ban.
 
bomba said:
Are a bowl ban and participating in the ACCCG mutually exclusive?

I think we can play in the ACCCG and take a self imposed bowl ban.
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This. Play in the ACC Championship game and then self-impose (regardless if it is a regular bowl or a BCS).
 
CaneDaddy said:
bomba said:
Are a bowl ban and participating in the ACCCG mutually exclusive?

I think we can play in the ACCCG and take a self imposed bowl ban.
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This. Play in the ACC Championship game and then self-impose (regardless if it is a regular bowl or a BCS).
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There is no chance that if they win the title game they ban themselves from the Orange Bowl. You couldn't explain it to the players, the coaches or the ACC. It would be a nightmare.
 
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First, there is NO GUARANTEE that we would get a second bowl ban or one for that matter. We have no idea what the NCAA wants or was able to prove.

Second, like I already said we would be the first team to self impose two bans.

Third, stop comparing our situation to other schools because (a) the NCAA makes it up as they go along, (b) every set of facts is different and (c) there is no sentencing guidelines (Larceny in the 1st Degree = 5 Years).

I trust Al Golden, I trust our lawyer Mike Glazier (google). If we can get to the BCS, you go. If you want to grow as a team, you let them play out the season as it stands.
 
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Kind of leaning with Able, we shouldn't impose anything till we know where we are at.

A) the story itself is a mess, check the source

B) the Penn St scandal put our thing way in the back burner, legitimately and maybe more importantly in the court of public opinion.

Ride it out. If we can make it to the Peach, or (gulp) a BCS, gotta do it. We've been outside the stage for too long, it would signify a return to relevance.
 
OMG618 said:
Kind of leaning with Able, we shouldn't impose anything till we know where we are at.

A) the story itself is a mess, check the source

B) the Penn St scandal put our thing way in the back burner, legitimately and maybe more importantly in the court of public opinion.

Ride it out. If we can make it to the Peach, or (gulp) a BCS, gotta do it. We've been outside the stage for too long, it would signify a return to relevance.
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Let Mike Glazier do his thing, let the man do his thing.
 
It is an easy decision to take the bowl ban now and hope this results in the NCAA showing leniency by taking away fewere schollys. This lets Al continue to build the program with fewer restrictions. Don't lose sight of the fact that UM is viewed differently by the NCAA, so we have to do a little more than on Ohio State or North Carolina would do.
 
This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.
 
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bomb said:
This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.
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This is not a "NO BRAINER." No disrespect but we know NOTHING about the investigation and the progress/sanctions etc.

Recruiting seems to be doing well, we did incredible last year and we have the same information as last year (no clue when sanctions are coming). This class seems to be holding strong and we will see soon how well we are really doing on NSD>

I trust Mike Glazier, I don't think the school will impose at the moment. We will see, no school has ever given themselves 2 self-imposed bowl bans.

We will see, no need to say its a no brainer when the fans are being asked a serious question without any information.
 
Without hesitation you self-impose.

Don't get me wrong...I would be thrilled with a ACC title game appearance. But if not playing for this year's ACC title and subsequent bowl game means no more bowl bans, then I'd be thrilled. Take a look at Ohio State-what if they self-imposed last year? They may be playing for the natty title this year if they had done the smart thing.
 
HarryCarayisGoat said:
Without hesitation you self-impose.

Don't get me wrong...I would be thrilled with a ACC title game appearance. But if not playing for this year's ACC title and subsequent bowl game means no more bowl bans, then I'd be thrilled. Take a look at Ohio State-what if they self-imposed last year? They may be playing for the natty title this year if they had done the smart thing.
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Wait a second. Is everyone thinking we are going to get a 3 year bowl ban? I just do not see it. 2 year ban, yes. So play in the ACC championship and see how things play out. If we win it would be hard not to go to the Orange. If we lose we decline the other bowl invitation.
 
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Look... I have to believe that the NLOA will come down or be know to the school BEFORE the Duke game. No inside info just a gut.

If we take the ban THIS year, I would have to believe that the NCAA would've smack us with a 3 yr ban.

If we don't take the ban - then i would think that the sanctions will not going to be that bad. Maybe the one ban was good enough?

JC
 
Take the bowl ban and ACCCG ban and get this behind us. We gain nothing from moral victories when they can still recruit negatively against us.2014-2015 is loaded with talent and I want one of the best recruiters in the country to recruit without a cloud over his head. OSU played UF in a bowl game last year and gained NOTHING from it now they may run the table and cant go to the title game.
 
bomb said:
This is insane. OF COURSE you take the ban now. And if you can win the Coastal and give up a third post season game, you do that too.

How do some folks not get it? This is ALL about recruiting. That's what's at stake. Dropping games this year, means you can tell recruits NOW that this doesn't affect them and you don't lose kids.

And whether you self-impose or the NCAA imposes their penalties, you've already given up 2-3 post season games and the associated revenues, which might help reduce scholarship reductions, which again, is everything.

This is about 200 feet beyond a no brainer.

As I said pre season, the only thing that matters this year is to get to 6 wins or better, and give recruits something to get excited about for the future.
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+1. Not sure why this is even in doubt. We are barely crawling to bowl eligibility and are on the eve of the sanctions being levied. Sacrificing a mediocre bowl (don't kid yourself and think we're beating FSU in a neutral field) for the sake of saving some scholarships (even if just a few) is a huge no-brainer.
 
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