We should bring back both coordinators

[Highline17]

I think both should return, I don’t need to convince anyone on Guidry.

You can’t keep firing OCs after 1yr, we need consistency. I still have some hope in him, give him his own QB and control. Maybe have him bring in a special projects guy to bring in some creativity in play design, cause I don’t think we have one. I’d like to see what consistency can bring us. Only way you make a change is for Dan Mullen

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

We can’t keep changing coordinators every year. Can’t some of you see it? Dawson will be fine once you get him a competent QB. It’s not Mario; it’s TVD.

TVD played a good game on Saturday. He wasn't the problem. Go back and watch the film review that was posted on page 1 of this thread. That's all Dawson and/or Mario if he is meddling.

 

[DTP]

College football is now more than ever about having the ability to put up points but I'm sure Mario just never got the memo.

I read the second paragraph and just thought to myself "How ridiculous, a head coach that doesn't want to hire an OC that can put up a ton of points??? That doesn't even make sense!!!" Just imagine for a moment if you will that some 31 year old WR coach Co-OC at Eastern Michigan gets identified as a super bright up and coming OC superstar who has developed a wide open yet very unique and innovative offense that is guaranteed to put up 45 points on average against the best defenses. How many head coaches would be drooling and tripping all over themselves to hire this guy? Yes that's correct the answer is A. All of Them. There isn't a head coach alive that wouldn't do everything in his power to hire that guy. Everyone except Mario. Mario would interview the poor guy like 12 different times, do recon on the guy to the point of sifting through his trash, obtaining a stool sample and interviewing his high school friends to find out if he has ever been a Mike Leach sympathizer, then try to convince the guy to let him and his BFF Alex add their Tuff and Fizicul running game to his repertoire.

Then I remembered that it's not ridiculous at all. Can you imagine a head coach not wanting an OC who puts up a ton of points? Well ladies and gentlemen, that's who we signed to a 10 year 80 million dollar contract. I mean it isn't even being hyperbolic to say that Mario doesn't want an OC that scores a ton of points. The proof has been right in front of us the whole time! The guy has this bizarre notion that too much scoring is bad because it sends the defense back out too many times or something completely irrational like that. He therefore thinks that if he slows it down and slowly marches down the field on 16 play 10 minute drives where 14 of those plays are runs right up the middle into a loaded box that he is going to win lots of games 17-13, 21-17 or 20-14. The more I think about what a collosal meathead Mario is the more ****ed off I get because all of this is just so damned unnecessary.

The crazy thing is, it's usually defensive head coaches that want the slow, ball control offense that can hide their defense better. The more time their defense gets to stay off the field, the less chance they have of blowing the game. They believe in fallacies like " no huddle offenses go three and out too much and then I have to send my defense right back on the field". Totally ignoring that you're giving you offense a huge advantage by not huddling so the chances of them converting first downs goes up significantly with that edge. Mario never played defense. Mario never coached defense. Mario actually played for two college head coaches who embraced modern passing games. I don't know where or when he decided that having a good offense was for weak sissies and the only way to win games was to be fizicul and hope to gut out a 10-7 slugfests. Because after two seasons, it's very clear that Mario would rather have a below average "physical" grind it out offense than score 40 points per game in a modern system. It's getting very Al Golden-like here when the head coach is too attached to a certain style that he actually costs the program wins because he'd rather lose his way than admit his way sucks and actually win games.

 

[TRick72]

I think this is it. I don’t completely buy into the notion that Mario is controlling the offense. However I do think he wants to control the ball. He preaches wearing teams down and being able to run it late in games.

The goal should be to score points. You don’t have to go 100mph every drive to do that. But you can’t just sit on the ball and never get into a rhythm either. That ends up doing the exact opposite of what you wanted. Putting your defense on the field too much and in bad spots.

It’s evident right before halftime when he’ll gladly settle for a FG because he’s more focused on running out the clock that scoring TD’s

 

[TRick72]

The crazy thing is, it's usually defensive head coaches that want the slow, ball control offense that can hide their defense better. The more time their defense gets to stay off the field, the less chance they have of blowing the game. They believe in fallacies like " no huddle offenses go three and out too much and then I have to send my defense right back on the field". Totally ignoring that you're giving you offense a huge advantage by not huddling so the chances of them converting first downs goes up significantly with that edge. Mario never played defense. Mario never coached defense. Mario actually played for two college head coaches who embraced modern passing games. I don't know where or when he decided that having a good offense was for weak sissies and the only way to win games was to be fizicul and hope to gut out a 10-7 slugfests. Because after two seasons, it's very clear that Mario would rather have a below average "physical" grind it out offense than score 40 points per game in a modern system. It's getting very Al Golden-like here when the head coach is too attached to a certain style that he actually costs the program wins because he'd rather lose his way than admit his way sucks and actually win games.

If I hadn’t seen him playing for Miami with my own eyes I would think Mario played for Nebraska during the late 80’s

 

[jakobbee]

Most of yall wanted Lashlee gone after season one. Just sayin.

Not thrilled about Dawson lately but I'll wait until he gets a QB who's not half-dead before I judge him.

You wouldnt back channel to see if you could get Sean Lewis from Colorado and replace Dawson. With more running concepts which Mario loves with his open passing designs and offense built around getting athletes in space seems like theoretically could work nice but something seems bland with the passing concepts with Dawson.

 

[NE Canes]

I think both should return, I don’t need to convince anyone on Guidry.

You can’t keep firing OCs after 1yr, we need consistency. I still have some hope in him, give him his own QB and control. Maybe have him bring in a special projects guy to bring in some creativity in play design, cause I don’t think we have one. I’d like to see what consistency can bring us. Only way you make a change is for Dan Mullen

I do not think Dawson needs to go…just improve.

But, if your coach is consistently bad then what is the point of consistency. Next year you are just bad again.

If your coach is bad, then he is bad. Another year changes nothing. If your coach is bad then consistency means nothing.

If you think your coach is not good enough you move on before you waste another year with the wrong guy.

 

[PalyCane]

I’ve posted this before. Except for the years he was OC under Dana Holgorsen (himself an offensive minded hands on coach) Dawson has had not only zero years of success as an OC he’s in fact been fired from every OC job he previously had.

There’s nothing to suggest he’s a competent OC. There’s no good reason he should be OC at UM

 

[flips]

we should all pray that genius guidry returns.

dawson - meh - i wouldn't shed a tear if he replaced by my avatar. would be shocked if our starting QB next year is on the roster, so changing OCs wouldn't stunt our QBs development. i have trouble buying that mario is meddling on individual playcalls. i do buy that mario set certain parameters when he hired dawson - but that seems pretty...normal...thing for a head coach to do. mario's parameters may be the issue but that's a different discussion.

the playcalling at the goal line against l'ville was awful. so is dawson's refusal to use previously successful playcalls - like the TE in motion to block for a run - to set up a shot play. when the l'ville safety is selling out and just following behind the TE in motion that's the time to run a playfake, but what the **** do i know

 

[canes732]

He literally just got someone no one's ever heard of..... No one here knew who Dawson was before he was hired.... I can see both sides of the argument for him staying or going and as much as it bothers me to say it I do want to see what he can do if they get the QB position fixed ( Develop what we have, portal..I don't care, fix it).
I saw a lot of things this past season and as I've stated in many posts there's blame to be placed everywhere..... Maybe , just maybe a bit of continuity might help instead of the revolving door policy in effect right now.... In the end it all falls on Mario....

Well then u never watch WVU or Houston before. Dawson isn’t a super no name but he wasn’t a huge name. Also how could Mario get a big name when he’s known as an OC cancer

 

[NE Canes]

we should all pray that genius guidry returns.

Careful with this. He loses a few players and our D may not look so good and everyone jumps on him. He is good, we all agree but lets not crown him just yet.

 

[flips]

Careful with this. He loses a few players and our D may not look so good and everyone jumps on him. He is good, we all agree but lets not crown him just yet.

no will not be careful. he's done a great job this year. defense had big weaknesses - CB/interior DL size -pause/LBers & S in coverage that he managed to paper over until the l'ville game. taylor was out and we couldn't get home on pressure and brohm bet - and won - on our LBers and safeties blowing coverages when he showed them eye candy. he's the best defensive coordinator we've had a in long, long time

 

[NE Canes]

no will not be careful. he's done a great job this year. defense had big weaknesses - CB/interior DL size -pause/LBers & S in coverage that he managed to paper over until the l'ville game. taylor was out and we couldn't get home on pressure and brohm bet - and won - on our LBers and safeties blowing coverages when he showed them eye candy. he's the best defensive coordinator we've had a in long, long time

Okay. Don't say no one warned you.

 

[flips]

Okay. Don't say no one warned you.

what is ur point? some retards on this message board are going to demand that he be fired whenever a team gains some yards and scores some points against us? so what. the guy is a great defensive coordinator - it's obvious to a blind man - and we sould do whatever we need to do to keep him

 

[NE Canes]

what is ur point? some retards on this message board are going to demand that he be fired whenever a team gains some yards and scores some points against us? so what. the guy is a great defensive coordinator - it's obvious to a blind man - and we sould do whatever we need to do to keep him

Well, I was referring to you but I do not think you are a ******.

But its all good. No worries. I am sure if our defense looks a little more like it did aginst UL next year becasue we lose a few players you will be completely reasonable.

 

[bobbydigius]

I’m not exactly a big fan of Dawson but a third OC in as many years is no bueno. It’s a dumpster fire if it’s someone like Arroyo, Ponce or Moorhead.

 

[JG13]

Bring them both back with a good portal QB and put the Cuban Lennie Small in an iron maiden at kickoff til the final whistle.

 

[flips]

Well, I was referring to you but I do not think you are a ******.

But its all good. No worries. I am sure if our defense looks a little more like it did aginst UL next year becasue we lose a few players you will be completely reasonable.

lol. so, to be clear, your concern is that i will whine and cry about guidry on this board next year if we have more defensive performances like we did on saturday?

do you think guidry is a good defensive coordinator who should return or no?

am pretty sure our defense looked like it did against l'ville cause we had four starters (porter/mesidor/kelly/taylor) from the start of the year out with injuries and another (j. davis) benched cause of incompetence. so yeah if we don't go out and replace theguys that leave or develop the young guys on the team then our defense probably wont be as good. groundbreaking analysis there bud

 

[NE Canes]

lol. so, to be clear, your concern is that i will whine and cry about guidry on this board next year if we have more defensive performances like we did on saturday?

do you think guidry is a good defensive coordinator who should return or no?

am pretty sure our defense looked like it did against l'ville cause we had four starters (porter/mesidor/kelly/taylor) from the start of the year out with injuries and another (j. davis) benched cause of incompetence. so yeah if we don't go out and replace theguys that leave or develop the young guys on the team then our defense probably wont be as good. groundbreaking analysis there bud

Like I said. It's all good. You do you.

As for your questions I already answered them in my previous post.

 

[jmiller]

Dawson is average at best...Mario is now looking 0-2 on OC's. Dawson had major question marks from the beginning.