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We should bring back both coordinators

WeBallinBoyz said:
Replacing one or both coordinators would just mean added pressure to getting everything right with a weak schedule in '24.

With that being said, Dawson has a lot of self-improvement he needs to work on.



This is absolutely scheme, nothing the players can do here. Dawson's adjustments have been non-existent for the better part of the last 6 games.
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I watch a lot of Roman stuff and he has made me turn on Dawson as an OC. He wasn't good at Houston either and he was bailed out by the QB a lot. This is why I'm not against seeing Dawson go.
 
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Cylo said:
I watch a lot of Roman stuff and he has made me turn on Dawson as an OC. He wasn't good at Houston either and he was bailed out by the QB a lot. This is why I'm not against seeing Dawson go.
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Personally I'm torn.

There's no evidence to suggest Mario isn't meddling in the offense/impacting the play-calling and formations. I trust people like @Memnon when he says Dawson has implemented various styles at his college football stops spanning multiple schools, and is being handcuffed by the man in charge.

At the same time, videos like this highlight his inability to scheme guys open during our losing streak/poor play against teams like UVA. That video clearly showed poor spacing. His redzone offense has been lackluster here.

But if he does leave, I fear Mario will take another 2-3 months to hire an OC, and that means potentially missing out on key portal acquisitions (which we cannot afford, at all).

Portal HAS TO BE a slam dunk class. I'm talking FSU, Ole Miss levels of success - if we want to win 9-10 games in 2024.
 
NE Canes said:
I do not think Dawson needs to go…just improve.

But, if your coach is consistently bad then what is the point of consistency. Next year you are just bad again.

If your coach is bad, then he is bad. Another year changes nothing. If your coach is bad then consistency means nothing.

If you think your coach is not good enough you move on before you waste another year with the wrong guy.
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That’s a let’s cross that road when we get there. I’m not advocating to have blind loyalty. Let Dawson get his 2nd year and let’s see if consistency here will get a better result.
 
E1k said:
Our offense is not in sync and hasn’t been since maybe a&m but that was only game 2 so I would hope u have 2 weeks worth of plans but as the season went on and teams have adjusted we kinda have an identity crisis… To me its three things going on just from a outside perspective

1. Dawson is learning on the fly. This is only his 4th year not being under dana, and those 3 years were almost 6 years ago. This would explain why the offense is not in sync and seems so basic. He doesn’t have a full staff of people who know his system and can contribute to the entire plan..Also idk if Dawson is a fully seasoned coordinator to know what he want his offense to look like. If u aren’t a seasoned coordinator that has been in different situations (like guidry) it can be difficult to adjust to everything without a good support staff familiar with your style of offense.

This is why I think we see a creative play here and there but dont see it consistently. For example the nc state game is the first game i saw multiple rpos that weren’t just hitches or tunnel screens then we just don’t see it much anymore ..its like he’s adding stuff as the year goes on but it doesn’t look in sync to the rest of the gameplan, its like its a throw in play..This could also have something to do with him getting here late and not being able to install everything he wanted to.

2. Mario has his hands in this offense. It was said by a commentator that dawson said he basically had to convince mario that he will not just throw it every play lol. Respectable posters on here have said he had to make concessions to mario about certain things and that can hinder you as a coordinator if you are trying to please the hc while also trying to come up with something that can work for your current personnel it can cause problems because almost dawson entire career he has a hc that lines up with his way of thinking, this is a different situation the hc philosophy is totally different than what he’s accustomed to ,that can be difficult for someone who hasn’t had much experience in different situations

3. This one is, it can possibly be dawson is just a mediocre play designer that needs a qb to carry the offense along with a game changer at wr.. I say this because some of the plays are just too basic with no creativity to put the defense in conflict. We line up 11p 2x2 and drop back and expect the qb to be on time, have good to great arm talent, have wrs that can consistently dominate 1on1 matchups (which we dont have). Thats not how u should structure an offense in college unless u have a joe burrow

We don’t present difficult problems for the defense to solve, the formations are basic, not much shifting or motion, not much misdirection..See how Louisville constantly motioned, constantly gave us different pre snap pictures and/or made it look the same everytime and then boom it’s something different and took advantage of the defense playing a certain way. Thats a skill as a play caller that dawson might not have..

We don’t leverage our run game much, it’s literally just lineup and run.. This past week is one of the few times we actually took advantage of the defense keying in on our run game, the under center play action bomb to colbie even tho it wasnt caught it was an example of using formations and leveraging your run game into big plays in the passing game, another one was that play action crosser to colbie young in the Virginia game. I think this is because the air raid guys have just recently added having a full run game plan into their offense, because it doesn’t blend with everything else they do its like they just do it just to do it.
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I hate long post but i been wanting to fully get my thoughts off somewhere lol. I wouldn’t mind dawson coming back, I think we can benefit from having some cohesiveness at the coordinator spots. I think he is a solid OC that we can win games with especially when we upgrade the skill positions and I think he can learn from this year and get better… Salute if u read all this **** lol
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A lot of the so called high power teams run much of the same stuff we do, the only differences being difficult for defenses to adjust on. 1) they call the same play as us but they call it quickly, get to the line fast, forcing the D to react fast, many times this is all it takes to get a safety out of position. 2) they call the same play as us but they dress it up with a bunch of eye candy, orbit motion, jet motion, etc. This can cause a LB or Safety to lose an asignment then your offense has a match up problem. Look at the way we run a concept like smash. Then look at the way USC or Ole Miss run smash. Same play, but different.
 
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Keep Dawson as QB coach but bring in a guy like Seth Littrell as Co-OC/TEs coach.

Put him in charge of any game management decisions so Mario doesn’t have to think.

Don’t know if it would work but they have to fix this ****.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
But if he does leave, I fear Mario will take another 2-3 months to hire an OC, and that means potentially missing out on key portal acquisitions (which we cannot afford, at all).
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This is my biggest fear if we replace Dawson who btw we hired a week before spring ball. So we went into spring unprepared with the new offense smh
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Personally I'm torn.

There's no evidence to suggest Mario isn't meddling in the offense/impacting the play-calling and formations. I trust people like @Memnon when he says Dawson has implemented various styles at his college football stops spanning multiple schools, and is being handcuffed by the man in charge.
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jimmy fallon lol GIF by The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
I went with the double negative there lol, my b 😂😂
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lol am just messing with you. my take is on the macro level there's definitely an issue with mario constraining his coordinators with his fyzical caveman philosophy, but on the micro - individual play - level he's not micromanaging the offense. i think some on this board are giving mario way too much credit on this score for the sake of narrative convenience.

so, when headscratching decisions are made like the goal line secquence the simplest explanation is that dawson ****ed up. like it shoulda been a red flag when our most creative goal line play - against ATM - sprung from the mind of armless mirabel.
 
Page305 said:
Y'all boys not tired of having new Coordinators every 1-2 yrs?

I definitely learned my lesson with Lashlee. I hated his run schemes and wanted him gone. Boy do I regret that lol.
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**** nah I ain’t ..keep shuffling until somebody works Dawson is replaceable real talk I won’t be mad if he stays or goes ..Not using our Te’s is kinda annoying
 
Not overly impressed with Dawson, the 1st 4 games everyone loved his offense, well maybe not everyone, that said, if we get a decent portal qb then hopefully he stays on for a 2nd year and I wouldn’t be opposed to it, and since a new qb might be better with him year 2, who knows. Now if he leaves then we’re back to square one, and our 5 offensive coordinator in 6 years, I think my math is right, but we wouldn’t build anything in terms of continuity with the offense, which from all the rumblings could be true, and that falls squarely on Cristobal, to have 3 different offensive coordinators, thats beyond horrible, but then again if he’s set in the ways on how he wants the offense run that the new coordinator won’t be worth anything. Only hope is for him to reach some sort of enlightenment and relinquish his grasp on the offense and let the offensive coordinator do his thing. Just my opinion though.
 
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Cylo said:
I watch a lot of Roman stuff and he has made me turn on Dawson as an OC. He wasn't good at Houston either and he was bailed out by the QB a lot. This is why I'm not against seeing Dawson go.
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Roman sucked the **** of Gattis and Enos too. He should chill and stick to kids sports.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Personally I'm torn.

There's no evidence to suggest Mario isn't meddling in the offense/impacting the play-calling and formations. I trust people like @Memnon when he says Dawson has implemented various styles at his college football stops spanning multiple schools, and is being handcuffed by the man in charge.

At the same time, videos like this highlight his inability to scheme guys open during our losing streak/poor play against teams like UVA. That video clearly showed poor spacing. His redzone offense has been lackluster here.

But if he does leave, I fear Mario will take another 2-3 months to hire an OC, and that means potentially missing out on key portal acquisitions (which we cannot afford, at all).

Portal HAS TO BE a slam dunk class. I'm talking FSU, Ole Miss levels of success - if we want to win 9-10 games in 2024.
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I don’t want him to leave because I want continuity and I’m afraid we will hire arroyo if he does but there’s also zero evidence Mario is meddling and everyone is stating it as if it’s fact.
 
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Dude said:
A lot of the so called high power teams run much of the same stuff we do, the only differences being difficult for defenses to adjust on. 1) they call the same play as us but they call it quickly, get to the line fast, forcing the D to react fast, many times this is all it takes to get a safety out of position. 2) they call the same play as us but they dress it up with a bunch of eye candy, orbit motion, jet motion, etc. This can cause a LB or Safety to lose an asignment then your offense has a match up problem. Look at the way we run a concept like smash. Then look at the way USC or Ole Miss run smash. Same play, but different.
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Agreed everybody runs alot of the same concepts but how and when they get to it tells u the level of play designer you have.

This is apart of the reason why zone and drop8 works so well on us lol, people think its all on tvd and some of it is but like i said in the other post if u need your college qb to be 100% precise then u not gonna have a consistent offense when film gets out on u
 
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