Rumor Underwood flip story

[DTP]

Two points:

NIL has actually balanced the field. Before NIL only a handful of teams were allowed to pay players. If you weren’t in that club, you had no chance of ever winning the title. Now, any team that wants to spend money can compete.

No team is going to go crazy and just buy every single player. There’s only 22 starting positions in football. Even if some Uber billionaire wanted to pay 3rd stringers millions of dollars, kids still want to actually get a chance to play. No susperstar recruit is going to take money to be a career bench warmer.

 

[Groz73Cane]

So did you like it better when only certain teams could pay players under the table and hoard all the talent? Those teams used money the same way it is being used now. Was that fair to the rest of the teams in the country?

But now under the nil rules it’s the designated nil bags that provide payment to portal players and offering nil contracts to recruits. What these slags are doing is superseding the schools as private investors offering contracts privately to entice players to commit.wrong in every aspect of CFB recruitment.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

I’m sure this will be unpopular with some, but I HATE the direction CFB is heading when I hear this sort of nonsense. The unbridled arrogance is ridiculous. The void of competition created by consolidation of talent via money is gross. This is not in the spirit of the O’Bannon NIL case ruling.

For the record, I’m not against the players making money. Not at all. I am 100% against a system with no rules or regulations that is turning CFB into whorehouse football.

Did you hate it before when this was all under the table for Alabama, Georgia, LSU? I guess you were fine with it as long as you didn't know about it.

I mean. What the ****? We literally took Rashada from UF because we offered more money before they made thatfake offer to flip him back. Where did the money come from? Boosters. Who had conversations with the Rashada's? Boosters.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

How so?

A cautionary tale for future teams bidding.

Let's say the proper ROI on a successful QB like Cam Ward would indicate his market price would be 5 million per year (just using hypothetical numbers).

But some desperate team like Michigan drops 5 million per year (same amount) on an unproven HS recruit.

If bryce turns to be a bust, that's money wasted. I have to imagine the market will correct itself eventually where unproven HS QBs won't be getting this money. That money should go to proven college QBs.

If a lottery ticket cost 10k, people wouldn't play the lottery. That's what the unproven HS qbs are right now. Overpriced lottery tickets.

Very simply put, id like UM to recruit 5 star qbs but if the cost is 30% of the teams budget for a single unproven player bc of team severely driving the market up, it's not worth it.

 

[cway313]

A cautionary tale for future teams bidding.

Let's say the proper ROI on a successful QB like Cam Ward would indicate his market price would be 5 million per year (just using hypothetical numbers).

But some desperate team like Michigan drops 5 million per year (same amount) on an unproven HS recruit.

If bryce turns to be a bust, that's money wasted. I have to imagine the market will correct itself eventually where unproven HS QBs won't be getting this money. That money should go to proven college QBs.

If a lottery ticket cost 10k, people wouldn't play the lottery. That's what the unproven HS qbs are right now. Overpriced lottery tickets.

Very simply put, id like UM to recruit 5 star qbs but if the cost is 30% of the teams budget for a single unproven player bc of team severely driving the market up, it's not worth it.

That's only if you take a 1year sample size. I think Nebraska and Texas are happy with ROI to this point. I would expect Michigan to go after the top portal QB for next year if they truly are trying to win. The problem with that last paragraph for me is we all see what happens when you land a real QB. A great QB potentially eats 30% of the budget because they can mask deficiencies elsewhere on the roster.

 

[Da Jumbo Mutombo]

That's only if you take a 1year sample size. I think Nebraska and Texas are happy with ROI to this point. I would expect Michigan to go after the top portal QB for next year if they truly are trying to win. The problem with that last paragraph for me is we all see what happens when you land a real QB. A great QB potentially eats 30% of the budget because they can mask deficiencies elsewhere on the roster.

With respect to your last sentence saying a great QB is worth 30% of the budget. I AGREE.

What I'm saying though, to expect a true freshman out of HS to be that, is not a risk I want to take with 30% of the budget.

I would gladly pay that for an established QB, like Ward out of Wazzou. Or Mateer/Jennings next year.

I don't feel comfortable at all giving that to a HS kid, which is basically what Michigan just did.

Of course, Michigan may not have a budget so they don't care. But for Miami, who does have a budget, overpaying HS kids like that is not good for us.

So id prefer that mf bust, Michigan lights 10 million bucks up in flames and realizes, you know what? Maybe going all in on a HS qb aint where the money should go.

 

[skydogcane6]

What's odd for me is that personally, I'm about as Laissez-Faire as they get. However, like anything, it can go too far. The Sherman Anti-Trust Act happened because of capitalism gone too far. Imagine if Bezos, Buffett and Ellison all went to the same school (or if their wives did) and that school had essentially limitless funds. Now imagine if that school was Oregon which also has Phil Knight as an outspoken alum willing to spend anything to get a natty. Sure there might be a couple other schools that could compete with them, but the pool of competitors shrinks. Maybe natural seection would work its magic and things would sort themselves out fairly. However we're dealing with large amounts of money for influence and those things have a way of consistently not working out fairly and equitably.

Interestingly enough, you mentioned the NFL as a comparison for parity. Good choice. That league is the model of parity in many ways. Why? In large part because of salary caps and CBAs. The franchises essentially police themselves via their appointee Lord Goodell, who answers to the owners. Why doesn't the NFL get rid of their salary restrictions? Competition breeds success right? Pardon the snarky comment; the larger point here is that the cap and rules are there so that no one team has any financial advantage, at least in theory. Prior to NIL, the players were getting paid; it simply was done quietly (usually) while the NCAA looked away from the $EC schools and some others (ahem, Ohio State). I lived through the Pony Express era at SMU. ESPN did a 30 fo 30 on it and I highly recommend you watch it because it outlines how many of the players were getting paid in the 80's. Brian Bosworth wrote a book in the late 80's where he openly talked about players at Oklahoma being given jobs by local companies for the summers where their attendance was ignored. The NCAA picked and chose who they decided to enforce and punish, and who they didn't, which is what eventually led to the consolidation of power in the $EC/B1G.

I generally agree with this. I think the path to parity and competitive distribution has already began, and hopefully they can incorporate some level of regulation to mitigate bad actors. That is going to be a hard task to do now that the cat's out of the bag.

To your point about if Bezos, Buffett and Ellison all were alumni of the same school I suppose my take is this. They should not have to apologize for all coming from the same school and therefore supporting said school. It is up to the rest of the free market (other schools) to get better. What is that institution doing better than all the others to produce those 3 super successful businessmen? There are also a finite amount of roster spots on a team. That in itself will keep from any single institution hogging every talented five star. Some guys might not want to leave home. Some might not like a particular coach. Some may not want to wait on the bench. There are always other factors and other opportunities ready to be taken advantage of elsewhere. If enabling NIL made it all about just money then the ivy league should be a lot more competitive right now lol.

I suppose you can try to enforce a salary cap for the players or for NIL funds, but I'm tempted to believe that will just create another underground market and nothing really changes.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Did you hate it before when this was all under the table for Alabama, Georgia, LSU? I guess you were fine with it as long as you didn't know about it.

I mean. What the ****? We literally took Rashada from UF because we offered more money before they made thatfake offer to flip him back. Where did the money come from? Boosters. Who had conversations with the Rashada's? Boosters.

Dial it back a notch and read my other comments before you come at me like this. No, I was not fine with it. Quite frankly, your assumption that I preferred it the other way is dumb and off-putting. Had you taken the time to read my other replies on this thread, you'd know that. I literally mentioned the Pony Express and 80's Oklahoma football. Plenty of others who don't agree with me have replied in a much more civil manner. Here's a question for you - why you so mad? For real? Are you related to Underwood? Are you a Michigan alum? Nevermind that the NCAA has said you're not supposed to do exactly what Portnoy admitted they did - directly pitch the athlete.

Did you listen to the clip that the OP put up? It was cringe AF. Rich dude's wife throwing her (husband's) money around demanding to stack natty's. I feel the same about Phil Knight. I also fully understand that it's their right to do as they wish with their fortunes that they've amassed. I don't like the arrogance of it. I don't like the complete lack of regulation. Take a pause for the cause here and relax. It'll help you come up with a better example than Jaden Rashada.

You didn't ask, but I would like to see some sort of NFL-esque model adopted by CFB after a contraction of D1 schools and formation of new divisions/coneferences and a new governing body. Doesn't mean I'll get it. Doesn't mean that someone else may come up with a better solution that is different. Disagree all you want. It's still a free country, albeit an expensive free country.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

Dial it back a notch and read my other comments before you come at me like this. No, I was not fine with it. Quite frankly, your assumption that I preferred it the other way is dumb and off-putting. Had you taken the time to read my other replies on this thread, you'd know that. I literally mentioned the Pony Express and 80's Oklahoma football. Plenty of others who don't agree with me have replied in a much more civil manner. Here's a question for you - why you so mad? For real? Are you related to Underwood? Are you a Michigan alum? Nevermind that the NCAA has said you're not supposed to do exactly what Portnoy admitted they did - directly pitch the athlete.

Did you listen to the clip that the OP put up? It was cringe AF. Rich dude's wife throwing her (husband's) money around demanding to stack natty's. I feel the same about Phil Knight. I also fully understand that it's their right to do as they wish with their fortunes that they've amassed. I don't like the arrogance of it. I don't like the complete lack of regulation. Take a pause for the cause here and relax. It'll help you come up with a better example than Jaden Rashada.

You didn't ask, but I would like to see some sort of NFL-esque model adopted by CFB after a contraction of D1 schools and formation of new divisions/coneferences and a new governing body. Doesn't mean I'll get it. Doesn't mean that someone else may come up with a better solution that is different. Disagree all you want. It's still a free country, albeit an expensive free country.

I'm not angry. Just tired of the hypocrisy. You sound out of touch. Ohio State paid the most money of anyone for top transfer players. Why are you upset that you heard the quiet part out loud for Michigan. Tennessee paid $8 million for their QB back when nobody was paying that kind of money. I could only imagine the conversations that went on among the wealthy boosters. Phil Knight has said he wants a natty for Oregon before he dies and willing to pay to get it.

So, basically they shouldn't discuss it. There's no reason for NIL to be public. Then, everyone can be happy.

 

[cway313]

With respect to your last sentence saying a great QB is worth 30% of the budget. I AGREE.

What I'm saying though, to expect a true freshman out of HS to be that, is not a risk I want to take with 30% of the budget.

I would gladly pay that for an established QB, like Ward out of Wazzou. Or Mateer/Jennings next year.

I don't feel comfortable at all giving that to a HS kid, which is basically what Michigan just did.

Of course, Michigan may not have a budget so they don't care. But for Miami, who does have a budget, overpaying HS kids like that is not good for us.

So id prefer that mf bust, Michigan lights 10 million bucks up in flames and realizes, you know what? Maybe going all in on a HS qb aint where the money should go.

No risk it, no biscuit.

 

[edge]

How much are they paying Underwood? It almost sounds like he could name his number.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

I'm not angry. Just tired of the hypocrisy. You sound out of touch. Ohio State paid the most money of anyone for top transfer players. Why are you upset that you heard the quiet part out loud for Michigan. Tennessee paid $8 million for their QB back when nobody was paying that kind of money. I could only imagine the conversations that went on among the wealthy boosters. Phil Knight has said he wants a natty for Oregon before he dies and willing to pay to get it.

So, basically they shouldn't discuss it. There's no reason for NIL to be public. Then, everyone can be happy.

That's not what I said either. I'm not sure why you're making so many assumptions. I didn't care for the way Tennessee went after Nico either. I've stated what I think should be done....in the last reply I sent to you, which makes it even more weird as to why you continue to assert what my thoughts are.
I'm not looking for an argument. I don't care for the way this is being done and based upon the large number of thumbs up, 100's and agrees I got with the original comment, I know I'm not the only one. We can disagree - it's ok.

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[NJshoreCane]

If he turns out to be Dan Kendra, Kyle Wright or Ron Pawlus the market will correct itself quickly.

Go Canes!

Not for the teams that decide they want to be CFB’s version of the ‘78 Yankees.

 

[IbzRlz]

Don't forget to sign up for Canes Connection!

If you're already signed up, take your significant others credit card and sign them up!

Canes Connection is great, but this can't compete to a billionaire throwing money around. NIL has ruined CFB...players getting paid for name, image and likeness as mentioned by previous posters is fine, but no guardrails in place will destroy the game

 

[YUMU]

Because of NIL is the ONLY reason Miami & other schools even have an opportunity to sign Elite highly ranked prospects.

Before NIL, that privilege was only reserved for Bama & UGA.

You guys were excited when we landed Francis Mauigoa, Justin Scott, Marquise Lightfoot & kids from this class like Hayden Lowe & Jaboree Antoine right? Well we don't get any of those kids without NIL & the system being the way that it is.

All the flips we're about to land pretty soon, are as a direct result of us having the ability to outbid our competitors. The moment you allow the NCAA to put guardrails on this thing, that will pendulum swing the advantage back in favor of UGA & Bama.

Those teams can't dominate CFB anymore because they can't hoard & steal all the talent from HS & the Portal, that's only possible because NIL is the Wild West. The moment you regulate it, Miami & the rest of CFB is screwed. You can bet the house on that.

Preach pastor…preach
Word!

 

[AtrainCane]

But now under the nil rules it’s the designated nil bags that provide payment to portal players and offering nil contracts to recruits. What these slags are doing is superseding the schools as private investors offering contracts privately to entice players to commit.wrong in every aspect of CFB recruitment.

That’s fine with me as long as we can do it. Those SEC schools have been doing it for years with no consequences while the NCAA gave us a prostate exam every time they got the chance. Its was fckn ridiculous.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

That's not what I said either. I'm not sure why you're making so many assumptions. I didn't care for the way Tennessee went after Nico either. I've stated what I think should be done....in the last reply I sent to you, which makes it even more weird as to why you continue to assert what my thoughts are.
I'm not looking for an argument. I don't care for the way this is being done and based upon the large number of thumbs up, 100's and agrees I got with the original comment, I know I'm not the only one. We can disagree - it's ok.

Happy Thanksgiving.

I post my opinions. I don't post for likes.

 

[ssvir]

The ungodly things I’d do for a Miami billionaire to take over our NIL..

John Ruiz sayz hi

#Sarcasm

 

[Golsen82]

Wife gets everything. Larry coulda got him to Illinois!

 

[PSU Cane]

I’m sure this will be unpopular with some, but I HATE the direction CFB is heading when I hear this sort of nonsense. The unbridled arrogance is ridiculous. The void of competition created by consolidation of talent via money is gross. This is not in the spirit of the O’Bannon NIL case ruling.

For the record, I’m not against the players making money. Not at all. I am 100% against a system with no rules or regulations that is turning CFB into whorehouse football.

I was a 9am to midnight Saturday CFB fan for years. Hang out with the guys, good food and drink, all day football. We even played season long fantasy college. We folded the league and barely watch together anymore. It's just not enjoyable like it used to be. The constant discussion about NIL is annoying, but the guys transferring every other weekend and entire roster turnover every year is worse. There is no development anymore. There is no team. It's individuals (coaches and players) bouncing around for the biggest check or guaranteed spot. The kid from UNLV sitting out after a few games and saying it's due to NIL was just the cherry on top, well before this Underwood thing. CFB will become a playground for billionaires.