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I’m sure this will be unpopular with some, but I HATE the direction CFB is heading when I hear this sort of nonsense. The unbridled arrogance is ridiculous. The void of competition created by consolidation of talent via money is gross. This is not in the spirit of the O’Bannon NIL case ruling.

For the record, I’m not against the players making money. Not at all. I am 100% against a system with no rules or regulations that is turning CFB into whorehouse football.
So did you like it better when only certain teams could pay players under the table and hoard all the talent? Those teams used money the same way it is being used now. Was that fair to the rest of the teams in the country?
 
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Oh I know they have rules in place about circumventing, but to me that is kinda like the NCAA rule for NIL that bans pay for play. Its a nice "rule" but how could it have teeth? Also so incredibly hard to prove.

It wouldn't be hard to prove at all if a very good player takes an exteremly undermarket deal. Those things get out. The NFL would enforce it by making penalties harsh enough to make any team/player think twice about doing it. Think losing 1st round picks, fining teams millions, banning the agents involved and then fining the player a ton of money and then voiding his contract with the team.

The juice aint worth the squeeze at that level.
 
Yep. NIL, and to some degree the running clock, has been the great equalizer in college football.

You’re never going to have an 84 BYU rise up again and win it. But of the teams capable of winning a national title, the gap amongst those teams is small. Compared to when it was Bama and Georgia and OSU just fielding teams that were so far above even the top 10 recruiting class teams in talent.
This is also why, I suspect, that Miami's recruiting class isn't Top 5 despite all the winning. For the past two years, we have been ahead of the pack when it comes to NIL organization and commitment. Now, everyone else is organized and spending money as well. Not saying we can't have a Top 5 class, but just saying that the recruiting playing field, when it comes to money, is even again.
 
It wouldn't be hard to prove at all if a very good player takes an exteremly undermarket deal. Those things get out. The NFL would enforce it by making penalties harsh enough to make any team/player think twice about doing it. Think losing 1st round picks, fining teams millions, banning the agents involved and then fining the player a ton of money as well. The juice aint worth the squeeze at that level.
IDK man I guess just agree to disagree. Tom Brady was a top QB for years and wasnt one of the top 10 highest paid QBs. I would say that is extremely undermarket for what he could have gotten out there. I think he was making 8 mil LESS than guys like Stafford and Rogers and the excuse was "he just wants to win" or I also heard "Giselle makes so much money he doesnt need it" or even "he has so many endorsements" I just dont think a player taking less would be a catlyst to trigger a full blown investigation. Sticking with the Pats do you think a million dollar fine, loss of draft picks and your star QB being out 25% of the year was worth letting 2 PSI out of each football? I think we will agree no it is not but they did it anyway, dont underestimate the lengths teams go to win. Not saying it would be the norm but to think a few teams wouldnt do it I think is putting too much faith into an honor system in the NFL.
 
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IDK man I guess just agree to disagree. Tom Brady was a top QB for years and wasnt one of the top 10 highest paid QBs. I would say that is extremely undermarket for what he could have gotten out there. I think he was making 8 mil LESS than guys like Stafford and Rogers and the excuse was "he just wants to win" or I also heard "Giselle makes so much money he doesnt need it" or even "he has so many endorsements" I just dont think a player taking less would be a catlyst to trigger a full blown investigation. Sticking with the Pats do you think a million dollar fine, loss of draft picks and your star QB being out 25% of the year was worth letting 2 PSI out of each football? I think we will agree no it is not but they did it anyway, dont underestimate the lengths teams go to win. Not saying it would be the norm but to think a few teams wouldnt do it I think is putting too much faith into an honor system in the NFL.

You named the only outlier of the last 20+ years for NFL Contracts.

And going off of Brady, the NFL stripped the Phins of their 1st rounder and antother draft pick just for trying to tamper with Brady and Peyton to try and get them as a package deal.
 
I hear what you are saying and generally agree, yet somehow talent was consolidated much more before NIL. This sport was BORING from about 2008 until 2022 while Bama, Georgia, and OSU had half a roster of five stars. The idea of a top 3-5 team losing to anyone other than another top 3-5 team entirely disappeared. You didn't even need to tune in to see how a Number 2 vs 10 game would end. This season has been fantastic, and not just because we are good.
Yep this is it. Do I like that money has become the main face of collegiate athletics? No. Most people probably don't, even though it always has been anway. The sport has certainly lost some of its perception of innocence, whether it ever truly had it or not. That being said, what has been lost in that regard has been gained in the distribution of competition and talent. In just a couple years, anybody who has been paying close attention can see this. NIL is giving some smaller, but very business savvy and alumni rich schools a puncher's chance on Saturdays waaaay more than before, similar to that of the NFL.

It's kind of funny, as much as athletics have began frontrunning universities' images over academics, in an odd roundabout way NIL stokes the flames of academic performance. Want a better team? Get better players. Want better players? Pay more money. Want more money? Have more or higher earning/successful donors. Want more successful donors? Have better job prospects/innovators/entrepreneurs leaving your university. It's a trickle down effect. The free market is acting like the free market should. Capitalism can be insidious, but sometimes if you take a step back you see a bigger picture. People love to say that there has never been more of a disconnect between a university's athletic department and the actual university, but you could make an argument athletic performance has never been more tied to the performance of the school, student body, and alumni. Competition breeds success.

As a younger millennial, all I've ever known is like the same 3-4 schools passing championships back and forth. I never saw the days of schools in the tier of like SMU or BYU compete for legitimate titles. Now they are once again. And frankly this is just the beginning. The more NIL is around, the less of a grip the SEC blue bloods will have on CFB (even though they'll fight to the death to keep it). I think it's pretty fun.
 
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You named the only outlier of the last 20+ years for NFL Contracts.

And going off of Brady, the NFL stripped the Phins of their 1st rounder and antother draft pick just for trying to tamper with Brady and Peyton to try and get them as a package deal.
I am sure there are others, he was just the most publicized but wouldnt that prove my point if your statement is true? in 20 years only ONE player has taken a grossly undervalued contract and yet still no one investigated to see if he had a back door deal with the Krafts (which I fully believe he did).
 
I’m sure this will be unpopular with some, but I HATE the direction CFB is heading when I hear this sort of nonsense. The unbridled arrogance is ridiculous. The void of competition created by consolidation of talent via money is gross. This is not in the spirit of the O’Bannon NIL case ruling.

For the record, I’m not against the players making money. Not at all. I am 100% against a system with no rules or regulations that is turning CFB into whorehouse football.
And if your son was a top ten recruit? Would you want him to shop around for the best deal?
 
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I’m sure this will be unpopular with some, but I HATE the direction CFB is heading when I hear this sort of nonsense. The unbridled arrogance is ridiculous. The void of competition created by consolidation of talent via money is gross. This is not in the spirit of the O’Bannon NIL case ruling.

For the record, I’m not against the players making money. Not at all. I am 100% against a system with no rules or regulations that is turning CFB into whorehouse football.
You put rules than then the ncaa will allow certain teams to break them and others not . Kinda like they did prior to nil
 
Yep this is it. Do I like that money has become the main face of collegiate athletics? No. Most people probably don't, even though it always has been anway. The sport has certainly lost some of its perception of innocence, whether it ever truly had it or not. That being said, what has been lost in that regard has been gained in the distribution of competition and talent. In just a couple years, anybody who has been paying close attention can see this. NIL is giving some smaller, but very business savvy and alumni rich schools a puncher's chance on Saturdays waaaay more than before, similar to that of the NFL.

It's kind of funny, as much as athletics have began frontrunning universities' images over academics, in an odd roundabout way NIL stokes the flames of academic performance. Want a better team? Get better players. Want better players? Pay more money. Want more money? Have more or higher earning/successful donors. Want more successful donors? Have better job prospects/innovators/entrepreneurs leaving your university. It's a trickle down effect. The free market is acting like the free market should. Capitalism can be insidious, but sometimes if you take a step back you see a bigger picture. People love to say that there has never been more of a disconnect between a university's athletic department and the actual university, but you could make an argument athletic performance has never been more tied to the performance of the school, student body, and alumni. Competition breeds success.

As a younger millennial, all I've ever known is like the same 3-4 schools passing championships back and forth. I never saw the days of schools in the tier of like SMU or BYU compete for legitimate titles. Now they are once again. And frankly this is just the beginning. The more NIL is around, the less of a grip the SEC blue bloods will have on CFB (even though they'll fight to the death to keep it). I think it's pretty fun.
What's odd for me is that personally, I'm about as Laissez-Faire as they get. However, like anything, it can go too far. The Sherman Anti-Trust Act happened because of capitalism gone too far. Imagine if Bezos, Buffett and Ellison all went to the same school (or if their wives did) and that school had essentially limitless funds. Now imagine if that school was Oregon which also has Phil Knight as an outspoken alum willing to spend anything to get a natty. Sure there might be a couple other schools that could compete with them, but the pool of competitors shrinks. Maybe natural seection would work its magic and things would sort themselves out fairly. However we're dealing with large amounts of money for influence and those things have a way of consistently not working out fairly and equitably.

Interestingly enough, you mentioned the NFL as a comparison for parity. Good choice. That league is the model of parity in many ways. Why? In large part because of salary caps and CBAs. The franchises essentially police themselves via their appointee Lord Goodell, who answers to the owners. Why doesn't the NFL get rid of their salary restrictions? Competition breeds success right? Pardon the snarky comment; the larger point here is that the cap and rules are there so that no one team has any financial advantage, at least in theory. Prior to NIL, the players were getting paid; it simply was done quietly (usually) while the NCAA looked away from the $EC schools and some others (ahem, Ohio State). I lived through the Pony Express era at SMU. ESPN did a 30 fo 30 on it and I highly recommend you watch it because it outlines how many of the players were getting paid in the 80's. Brian Bosworth wrote a book in the late 80's where he openly talked about players at Oklahoma being given jobs by local companies for the summers where their attendance was ignored. The NCAA picked and chose who they decided to enforce and punish, and who they didn't, which is what eventually led to the consolidation of power in the $EC/B1G.
 
You put rules than then the ncaa will allow certain teams to break them and others not . Kinda like they did prior to nil
What you said is true.
I'm not implying that the NCAA should still be in charge. I am completely in favor of blowing up the NCAA and creating a new governing body where all member schools are represented equitably.
 
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Last season and now this season are the most enjoyable I can remember in a minute.
Don't change a mfn thing except expansion(which is happening) and eliminate the CFP committee.
 
I’m sure this will be unpopular with some, but I HATE the direction CFB is heading when I hear this sort of nonsense. The unbridled arrogance is ridiculous. The void of competition created by consolidation of talent via money is gross. This is not in the spirit of the O’Bannon NIL case ruling.

For the record, I’m not against the players making money. Not at all. I am 100% against a system with no rules or regulations that is turning CFB into whorehouse football.
its always been like this, ya'll just now know it
 
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its always been like this, ya'll just now know it
Do people not get NIL has made the game more competitive? When early signing day and NIL came out Saban lost his mind on both? Why people they would come in last minute and drop bags. UGA learned it from them. LSU did it some to. NO ONE gave out money like SEC. Now it's a more level playing field which has been better for the game and parity .
 
Do people not get NIL has made the game more competitive? When early signing day and NIL came out Saban lost his mind on both? Why people they would come in last minute and drop bags. UGA learned it from them. LSU did it some to. NO ONE gave out money like SEC. Now it's a more level playing field which has been better for the game and parity .
And Saban was the first goofy bragging that JAG Bryce Young earned 1 million dollars from it
 
its always been like this, ya'll just now know it
I knew it back in the 80's. It's the selective enforcement by the NCAA that ruined it (yes, there's much more). The myth of the student-athlete was pushed for decades.

Here's my blind spot on this - I was hoping (like a dummy) that the NIL ruling would lead to proper guidelines and overall improvements. Maybe Santa will bring me a new BB gun this year finally.
 
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