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WanderFranco said:
A motivated group of players can run the veer and beat a team like MTSU. The play calls had nothing to do with it.
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Its actually incredible that people still run to this board and spout off about what "scheme" is best for the players, as if they know. They completely have already forgotten how mediocre the offense was the previous years playing in the "scheme" they love
 
This roster SHOULD be talented enough to beat MTSU any day of the week.

However, unmotivated sleep-walking blue chippers and poor coaching decisions on both offense and defense is not enough to beat a locked in team with locked in coaching. And that's exactly what happened.

Poor execution by the players and bad coaching got us down 24-3 and we didn't have enough at the point to overcome the deficit. The defense kept allowing big plays and the offense kept playing lackadaisical with time running out. Some of that is definitely on coaching.

This team is not talented enough (clearly) to overcome bad coaching. If we come out against any team left on our schedule with similar intensity or a similar poorly developed gameplan, we'll get embarrassed yet again.
 
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PBJFanatic said:
I think some of you are lost in the plot. I mean this with a lot of respect. The coaches are responsible for quite a bit. But so are the players. We have a starting quarterback that thought that the job was his no matter what, who has not embraced the new offense, doesn’t like it, and is at odds with his wide receivers. That’s just one example. That’s on the player. Not Gattis.

You have a roster for of weak links. Bad recruiting. People that don’t know what winning is all about. People that still think that they can be carried by the history of this program. I call those folks losers. Because they refuse to make their own history other than be part of a losing history.

In 1984, a young an upcoming coach by the name of Jimmy Johnson, experienced the same thing. And a lot of players had to go. He brought in his players. He instilled his DNA. He turned the program into a juggernaut.

Yet the narrative here has been that only the coaches are to blame for this. Some are asking for the offensive coordinator to be fired. I wonder how much money we would owe guy and where we could get it from if that really short sighted move would be done.

Manny sets such a terrible example with this group of players that for some there is no turning back. That’s how bad it is.

For those that have had the privilege of running large organizations and actually being responsible for a full transformation, you know what I am talking about. When a new regime comes in there’s massive behind-the-scenes resistance and a lot of fakeness.

And those rotten apples need to leave. Independent of the staff. Until that happens not much will change.

Peace.
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You’re forgetting about the part where the new leadership has to earn the buy in of the existing people in the organization.

There’s a transfer portal, and players who were resistant would’ve left. Some did. The others stayed largely because they trusted the staff to do what they said they were going to do….. “implement systems based on the talent”.

The staff lost the locker room because the system installed doesn’t fit the talent. Throw in some abysmal play calling in critical spots in critical games…play calling that again proved the staff wouldn’t do as it promised… and you have a UM team getting throttled by MTSU.
 
1mg of Epi said:
The staff lost the locker room because the system installed doesn’t fit the talent.
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This is pure speculation and ignores the fact that many coaches have "lost the locker room" full of south Florida divas for 20 years now. Can all of those coaches really be that bad? Not one of them could win with all of this "talent"?
 
1mg of Epi said:
You’re forgetting about the part where the new leadership has to earn the buy in of the existing people in the organization.

There’s a transfer portal, and players who were resistant would’ve left. Some did. The others stayed largely because they trusted the staff to do what they said they were going to do….. “implement systems based on the talent”.

The staff lost the locker room because the system installed doesn’t fit the talent. Throw in some abysmal play calling in critical spots in critical games…play calling that again proved the staff wouldn’t do as it promised… and you have a UM team getting throttled by MTSU.
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That’s what the word is. Even manny Navarro in is recent podcast said he’s hearing Players don’t want to play in this scheme so they aren’t giving 100%. Coach’s and players our at odds, players aren’t listening to What they are taught or what coaches saying. Locker room is broke. No confidence in TVD or Gattis.
 
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WanderFranco said:
This is pure speculation and ignores the fact that many coaches have "lost the locker room" full of south Florida divas for 20 years now. Can all of those coaches really be that bad? Not one of them could win with all of this "talent"?
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This is what people are missing. A good staff needs the right guys to succeed. Coaching is only half of the equation. ****, Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney would go 7-5 with this roster.
 
FL Cane said:
This is what people are missing. A good staff needs the right guys to succeed. Coaching is only half of the equation. ****, Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney would go 7-5 with this roster.
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Mario might be seeing the writing on the wall. I only see four south Florida kids in the '23 class.
 
PBJFanatic said:
Buddy, with upmost respect, you’re wrong. This loss is mostly on the players. They came out looking like ****. Terrible body language. **** poor energy. Getting tossed around like ragdolls. That’s not coaching. That’s on the players.
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Coaches job to have players ready. If they aren't you pull them and play the guys behind them.

Strength coaches job to have them in shape. Weren't we told how much gains were being made thus off-season?
 
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The whole team is a mess and I agree.
A lot of the blame falls on the players of this team and the culture.

We should be able to beat Middle Tennessee State regardless of what scheme Gattis or Steele are running. The players need to take some pride in their team and play, and I suspect many in the locker room just don’t care. That is the only explanation for losing to Tennessee State.

We got rid of 20+ last year and we we need to get rid of probably 40 more. This roster needs to be flipped. However, it’s equally important to get the right guys in here. We brought in a bunch of transfers last year that have not been a part of this toxic culture and they haven’t done anything with exception of Parish and Messidor, who have just been nothing more that average. Rest have been Jags, and looks like Jackson is they only other one worth keeping.

Mario needs to turn over this roster quick, get rid of Gattis and improve his staff.
Oh and after this loss the school better get ready to pony up millions more in NIL salaries and buyouts to get this fixed else Mario is not going to succeed here. I don’t think Mario has anything to sell anymore after this loss with the exception of playing time.
 
PBJFanatic said:
In 1984, a young an upcoming coach by the name of Jimmy Johnson, experienced the same thing. And a lot of players had to go. He brought in his players. He instilled his DNA. He turned the program into a juggernaut.
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Is this satire? Jimmy took over a team that had just won a national championship. Which players from that team “had to go”?
Coaches? Yes. But players?
 
BCntyCane said:
That’s what the word is. Even manny Navarro in is recent podcast said he’s hearing Players don’t want to play in this scheme so they aren’t giving 100%. Coach’s and players our at odds, players aren’t listening to What they are taught or what coaches saying. Locker room is broke. No confidence in TVD or Gattis.
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Everyone of those players needs to be sent packing if this true. Secondly, LOL at any of these players saying they didn't have confidence in TVD, he is literally the only player on the offense that has remotely played at a high level at any point in his career. Team is filled with ***** if this rhetoric is true.
 
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WanderFranco said:
This is pure speculation and ignores the fact that many coaches have "lost the locker room" full of south Florida divas for 20 years now. Can all of those coaches really be that bad? Not one of them could win with all of this "talent"?
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Yes. They can. They’ve been bargain basement, discount rack coaches. Also.. you can look at their work if you need tangible evidence. The couple of times we’ve had coaches work with the player’s talent, not against it, we’ve been decent. The 2017 D. The 2021 O. It’s not that complicated.

Anthony Chickillo the DT? TVD the pro style QB?

Also the reporters and insiders have been discussing the lost locker room.
 
JHallCanes said:
The coaches are the peanut butter
The players are the jelly

And this sandwich sucks right now
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Uh oh, you said the magic words!



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