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I bet some of the people here saying no are the same ones who didn't think Teddy Bridgewater was a QB either....that worked out.
 
DMoney said:
This whole "take as a QB" thing cracks me up. People act like it's something sacred. Who cares? Nobody is saying Miami should take this guy as their only QB. There is already one committed. Let him compete. Favre was earmarked as a safety and ended up being Favre. Boldin was earmarked as a wide receiver and ended up as wide receiver. Give him a shot and see where it leads.

And what's even funnier is that people are offended that ****y views himself as a QB. Why shouldn't he think he's better than guys like Eduoard and Crow? He's been much more successful at the position than they were. That's the mentality he should have. Let those other guys prove they are better on Greentree.

As I've said, his best position IMO is safety. But I wouldn't count him out at any spot.
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The question is should he be taken over some other QB's and I don't believe that he should. Of course Winky should view himself as a QB and shouldn't allow anyone to deter him from what he believes in himself, but Miami has to look out for the best interest of Miami, and I don't think that bringing him in as a QB, when there are other more capable kids at the position, is in the best interest of Miami.

And the whole, "this guy did that" and "that guy became such and such" don't fly either. There are always outliers. You take the information that you've been provided with and make the best decision possible. His release is awkward. His delivery is long and his footwork is spotty at best. Judging by those things, I don't think he should be offered at QB.

I don't mean it as a slight to the kid. There's guys up here in Jersey that I could give you the same stories about putting teams on there back and carrying them to unimaginable successes. Doesn't mean they are going to be all-world at that position on the next level, it just means that they carried their teams to unimaginable successes. He should be commended for leading his team like he did with Jackson, but that only goes so far. Once again, it ain't a slight. I'm just going off what I see. Hope he proves me to be one of the dumbest mother****ers of all time to doubt him
 
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jerzeycane said:
The question is should he be taken over some other QB's and I don't believe that he should.
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Who are these other QBs? Olsen is signed and Eduoard is committed. That's the foundation. Now you go sign a football player that is balling in front of your eyes.
 
I say we take him as a "contributor", let him compete at QB. If he beats out who is front of him, great, if not then get on the field and contribute where you can be most useful. Simple as that. Gives him the opportunity to win a QB spot, but also to get on the field anywhere he can, offense, defense, who cares, just take him!
 
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DMoney said:
jerzeycane said:
The question is should he be taken over some other QB's and I don't believe that he should.
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Who are these other QBs? Olsen is signed and Eduoard is committed. That's the foundation. Now you go sign a football player that is balling in front of your eyes.
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Well, for one, the big fish that we have recently offered are still out there like Cornwell and Watson. Fat chance they will commit, but an offer should be available to them so long as they show a modicum of interest. Then you have your 2nd tier guys like Mahalak and Sean White.

I'm also not really down with him wasting time at QB as the 4th guy on the depth chart, when he could be gaining practice reps at his actual position. That give him a shot and then move him thing sounds cool, but while Winky is working with the QB's for his first year, guys like Carter and the safeties we take this year, will be getting the looks that Winky could be getting, which in turn stunts his growth at the position.

Last point I'll make about this, at what point are you not evaluating anymore? Judging by the criteria some of you are using, Darius Tice should have gotten an offer. There is a criteria and standard that you have to be looking for when you go out and evaluate guys. It doesn't get thrown out of the window because a guy is a "legend". Adam Morrison was a legend at Gonzaga and in college basketball, but the skills were suspect. I heard all leading up until the draft that there was "something about him". That's all fine and dandy, but I'd prefer to take my chances with something tangible that I can see and grade.

I really hope I don't come off as an *******, even though I probably am
 
IMO we're fine at QB. Olsen is the safest bet to be a good college QB, Williams is going to be a senior next year, Thompson has the highest ceiling of the current guys IMO, Edouard IMO is going to eventually be the guy but Winky is a wild card that you just have to play. He's got that IT factor like Ariz mentioned earlier that does a lot more for you in college than in the pros.
 
Larry said:
2Focusd804 said:
Larry said:
Most people here would not have recruited Denard Robinson either.

So, I don't act surprised.
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as a QB i still wouldn't take Denard. My best friend is a michigan fan and i've seen a lot of Robinson, michigan became a lot better and more balanced when he got hurt. i'd take him as a ATH maybe WR or CB
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Only losses were to Notre Dame and Bama...Michigan was down 7-6 to Nebraska when Denard went down...didn't score again in the game. Also lost to Ohio State and South Carolina. Went 12-2 in 2011...losses both on the road.

Denard ended his career as one of the most prolific quarterbacks in the history of college football.

You wouldn't take him as a QB? Silly.
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I wouldn't take him as a QB either. Being one of the most "prolific" QBs in the history of college football can be cool. Lots of QBs under June Jones are "prolific."

I'm trying to win Championships. I don't think you can win a Championship with Denard Robinson at QB. It's the same reason Jim Harbaugh took a calculated risk by going from Smith to Kaepernick. One can keep you in battles, while the other one can win you the war. Denard's game has certain limitations that tend to be accentuated against the tougher teams with tough defenses.
 
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LuCane said:
I don't think you can win a Championship with Denard Robinson at QB.
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I hear what you're saying, but don't buy this statement. Plenty of different types of QBs have won national championships. Just look at the list from the past 20 years:

Pocket passers: Matt Leinart, Chris Weinke, Matt Flynn, AJ McCarron, Ken Dorsey, Brian Griese, Danny Wuerffel, Chris Leak, Josh Heupel
Run/pass threats: Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Charlie Ward, Tee Martin
Scrambling quarterbacks: Matt Mauck, Craig Krenzel
Run-first quarterbacks: Tommie Frazier, Scott Frost

In college, there are a lot of ways to do it.
 
DMoney said:
LuCane said:
I don't think you can win a Championship with Denard Robinson at QB.
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I hear what you're saying, but don't buy this statement. Plenty of different types of QBs have won national championships. Just look at the list from the past 20 years:

Pocket passers: Matt Leinart, Chris Weinke, Matt Flynn, AJ McCarron, Ken Dorsey, Brian Griese, Danny Wuerffel, Chris Leak, Josh Heupel
Run/pass threats: Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Charlie Ward, Tee Martin
Scrambling quarterbacks: Matt Mauck, Craig Krenzel
Run-first quarterbacks: Tommie Frazier, Scott Frost

In college, there are a lot of ways to do it.
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Except I didn't say I don't think you can win a championship with a QB LIKE Denard Robinson or within his type. I wrote I don't think you can win a championship with Denard Robinson at QB.
 
?: if Denard Robinson is QB at Bama, do they or don't they win a ship?

IMO they do. This "his team has a ceiling" is short sighted. Heck Jordan Jefferson was an Iowa St upset away from getting a ring. And how bout (gulp) Tebow? Lot of recent history being ignored and old-school thought process coming to light.

Top upcoming NFL draft prospects:
Geno
Barkley
Glennon
Wilson

How'd their respective teams do this past season?
 
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LuCane said:
Except I didn't say I don't think you can win a championship with a QB LIKE Denard Robinson or within his type. I wrote I don't think you can win a championship with Denard Robinson at QB.
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But he's a better college quarterback than a lot of those guys on the list. With someone like Urban Meyer coaching and MNC-caliber defense, I don't see why he couldn't win a chip.

What I think Larry is saying is this: We told Denard Robinson that Jacory was our QB and asked him to play WR or CB. If he was allowed to compete with Jacory, the net effect on the football team would have been positive (whether he won the job or ended up somewhere else).
 
OMG618 said:
?: if Denard Robinson is QB at Bama, do they or don't they win a ship?

IMO they do. This "his team has a ceiling" is short sighted. Heck Jordan Jefferson was an Iowa St upset away from getting a ring. And how bout (gulp) Tebow? Lot of recent history being ignored and old-school thought process coming to light.

Top upcoming NFL draft prospects:
Geno
Barkley
Glennon
Wilson

How'd their respective teams do this past season?
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Is it possible that Bama wins with Denard? Sure, anything is possible. But, here's my thinking: they have higher highs and lower lows. And, in a Championship run, one or two of those lows, like the LSU game, for example, ends the run. Then you have to wonder if (1) Bama is willing to change their offense and overall team approach for Denard or (2) whether he could adjust his game enough to do what they ask of their QBs. Like I said, it's possible, but I don't roll with it. It's not about old-school thinking at all. I'm ready for spread elements. I'm ready for the right kind of mix. I'll consider anything that gets us closer to winning 'ships.
 
DMoney said:
LuCane said:
Except I didn't say I don't think you can win a championship with a QB LIKE Denard Robinson or within his type. I wrote I don't think you can win a championship with Denard Robinson at QB.
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But he's a better college quarterback than a lot of those guys on the list. With someone like Urban Meyer coaching and MNC-caliber defense, I don't see why he couldn't win a chip.

What I think Larry is saying is this: We told Denard Robinson that Jacory was our QB and asked him to play WR or CB. If he was allowed to compete with Jacory, the net effect on the football team would have been positive (whether he won the job or ended up somewhere else).
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Hey, you know where I stand with Winky. I don't care what we do to bring him in. Tell he'll play QB. Tell him to compete. Whatever. I've been saying that's the proper approach since the days of Denard and even Anquan.

But, I'm giving you my personal take, for whatever that's worth, that I rather not roll with the high highs and the low lows of Denard Robinson.
 
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