The Official ****y Flowers Junior Highlights!!

[Jassid82]

I don't want to post too much about a kid that does not even have an offer yet..But for anyone who keeps saying this kid is on the level of Denard Robinson as an athlete is ludicris. When I see Winky I think Doug Wiggins type athlete. No top end speed but has all the other athletic attributes you want. And he is built the same. Unfortunately, what scares me is that he could have the same fate as Doug. Time will tell..

Although I will say if they offer Treon Harris and not Winky THEN I will have a problem.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Weird Throwing Motion
Under 50% Completion Pct
Freak Athlete

Take as QB? No
Take as Athlete? **** Yes

I agree with this, but this is the kind of kid you tell him he'll get a shot at QB and then move him later.

 

[DCH]

Denard ended his career as a running back

Because he had a nerve injury that prevented his arm from being physically able to throw. Not that it matters in my opinion but this has been repeated multiple times and its disingenuous.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

Weird Throwing Motion
Under 50% Completion Pct
Freak Athlete

Take as QB? No
Take as Athlete? **** Yes

I agree with this, but this is the kind of kid you tell him he'll get a shot at QB and then move him later.

where would you move him to?

 

[Bird4um]

Saw him beat heritage. Good athlete. Qb. No

 

[Larry]

Denard ended his career as a running back

Dont be dense...he injured his throwing arm...hence playing runningback abd had what...7ypc still? 0

 

[Canesfan1899]

Weird Throwing Motion
Under 50% Completion Pct
Freak Athlete

Take as QB? No
Take as Athlete? **** Yes

I agree with this, but this is the kind of kid you tell him he'll get a shot at QB and then move him later.

where would you move him to?

Slot WR, maybe a DB if he's as physical as he looks running the ball. I just want him on campus and let the coaches figure out where he fits. I'm not totally against offering him as a QB. We brought Olsen in this cycle, if there was a time to bring in a project or 2 at QB this is the year.

 

[Roe15th]

I hope we offer winky.....got to stack chips

I hope we stay on T.Harris also & let them battle & if they don't make the cut switch them.....

 

[AllbouttheU]

The question is should he be taken over some other QB's and I don't believe that he should.

Who are these other QBs? Olsen is signed and Eduoard is committed. That's the foundation. Now you go sign a football player that is balling in front of your eyes.

Well, for one, the big fish that we have recently offered are still out there like Cornwell and Watson. Fat chance they will commit, but an offer should be available to them so long as they show a modicum of interest. Then you have your 2nd tier guys like Mahalak and Sean White.

I'm also not really down with him wasting time at QB as the 4th guy on the depth chart, when he could be gaining practice reps at his actual position. That give him a shot and then move him thing sounds cool, but while Winky is working with the QB's for his first year, guys like Carter and the safeties we take this year, will be getting the looks that Winky could be getting, which in turn stunts his growth at the position.

Last point I'll make about this, at what point are you not evaluating anymore? Judging by the criteria some of you are using, Darius Tice should have gotten an offer. There is a criteria and standard that you have to be looking for when you go out and evaluate guys. It doesn't get thrown out of the window because a guy is a "legend". Adam Morrison was a legend at Gonzaga and in college basketball, but the skills were suspect. I heard all leading up until the draft that there was "something about him". That's all fine and dandy, but I'd prefer to take my chances with something tangible that I can see and grade.

I really hope I don't come off as an *******, even though I probably am

You make it sound as him being a successful QB is out of the question. Mack Brown is that you? Won't give the kid a chance at QB and only offer him as a DB and in two years RG3 and Manziel wins a heisman.

 

[AllbouttheU]

And let's be real, some of Flowers throws were just as impressive as Edouard's. Definitely ones on the run.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

Weird Throwing Motion
Under 50% Completion Pct
Freak Athlete

Take as QB? No
Take as Athlete? **** Yes

I agree with this, but this is the kind of kid you tell him he'll get a shot at QB and then move him later.

where would you move him to?

Slot WR, maybe a DB if he's as physical as he looks running the ball. I just want him on campus and let the coaches figure out where he fits. I'm not totally against offering him as a QB. We brought Olsen in this cycle, if there was a time to bring in a project or 2 at QB this is the year.

The problem with that is he is not a better slot WR then other prospects in sofla and he is not a better DB either. With the limited practice time coaches get two QB projects seems like a bit much to me.

 

[canecountry3]

I don't even look at the completion percentage. You had too see Jackson play live this season to understand how horrendous their team was. He really isn't a freak athlete either actually, he's just a baller. Miami needs ballers.

Pete, you might be a little too close to this one.

how so? I love Edouard and love the pickup, but Miami should offer this kid and give him the chance to play quarterback. I will take this kid over Mahalak or White any day.

LOL that's about all you need to know right there.

You would rather have a kid who hasn't even started at the varsity level?

I'd rather have a QB that can actually play QB. It's cool he can escape jail breaks and throw bombs off his back foot to wide open receivers. It's also cool he can slip tackles and juke some kids out to make plays.

Can he diagnose defenses? Can he make his reads? Can he play another position besides QB? Has he? Would he be willing to? Is he coachable?

There are lots of ballers in South Florida. Where would he fit with Miami in 2014 and beyond?

Miami needs to address certain positions with eyes on the future. Just because he makes plays and carries his team doesn't mean he should get a scholarship, let alone that he'd successful at a D1 program.

 

[asad91]

Would offer based on the flip into the end zone.
But in all seriousness we should offer this kid he can ball. Not sold on him being a QB but let him at least have the opportunity to compete for the job and if he doesn't cut it then move him to safety. Also is he a legit 6 feet tall?

 

[Larry]

For those saying anything about his "QB skills" (or whatever you mean by projecting he can't play QB), you do realize this is COLLEGE football, right? If not Miami, this kid will go on to play high level football somewhere else...probably as a quarterback. Ya'll boys just don't learn. In CFB, the QB position is lower on the hierarchy of needs to win football games than it is in the pro game. In the pro game, having an elite QB is mandatory...not only an elite QB, but an elite QB that makes plays from the pocket. In college football, great QBs, winning QBs, come in all shapes, sizes, and play styles. The QB can be a distributor or facilitator or he can be a playmaker...a playmaker with his arm, legs, or both.

I do not care how my QB projects to the NFL...in CFB, how a QB projects to the pro game is near meaningless to success. Gino and KD were awful pro projections whose skill sets resemble that of the Air Raid QBs...Bernie, Vinny, Jim Kelly, and Steve Walsh were pro projections. FSU won with Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke, Florida won with the likes of Danny Wuerffel and Tim Tebow. They come in different shapes and sizes and skill sets.

 

[AllbouttheU]

Pete, you might be a little too close to this one.

how so? I love Edouard and love the pickup, but Miami should offer this kid and give him the chance to play quarterback. I will take this kid over Mahalak or White any day.

LOL that's about all you need to know right there.

You would rather have a kid who hasn't even started at the varsity level?

There are lots of ballers in South Florida. Where would he fit with Miami in 2014 and beyond?

Miami needs to address certain positions with eyes on the future. Just because he makes plays and carries his team doesn't mean he should get a scholarship, let alone that he'd successful at a D1 program.

And Flowers is a baller. I'd say he'd fit in nicely at Miami now and beyond.

And lmao yeah I don't want a player who can carry his team and make plays. That's what we definitely don't need on this team. Gtfoh

 

[jerzeycane]

For those saying anything about his "QB skills" (or whatever you mean by projecting he can't play QB), you do realize this is COLLEGE football, right? If not Miami, this kid will go on to play high level football somewhere else...probably as a quarterback. Ya'll boys just don't learn. In CFB, the QB position is lower on the hierarchy of needs to win football games than it is in the pro game. In the pro game, having an elite QB is mandatory...not only an elite QB, but an elite QB that makes plays from the pocket. In college football, great QBs, winning QBs, come in all shapes, sizes, and play styles. The QB can be a distributor or facilitator or he can be a playmaker...a playmaker with his arm, legs, or both.

I do not care how my QB projects to the NFL...in CFB, how a QB projects to the pro game is near meaningless to success. Gino and KD were awful pro projections whose skill sets resemble that of the Air Raid QBs...Bernie, Vinny, Jim Kelly, and Steve Walsh were pro projections. FSU won with Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke, Florida won with the likes of Danny Wuerffel and Tim Tebow. They come in different shapes and sizes and skill sets.

When offenses are running at optimum efficiency, guys like Tebow and Denard Robinson are not running them. Matt Leinart is running it. Ken Dorsey is running it.

The best offense in the history of college football in my opinion is the 2005 'SC offense. Ridiculously efficient. They put up 38 points on the #8 defense in the country, in the National Championship game. They ran the ball efficiently and threw the ball for large chunks.

Tebow and Denard are notorious for sucking against good defenses who have the speed to account for their skill set. I am all about introducing some of the new age philosophies into our offense. I am not, however, interested in building what I think is an inferior offensive philosophy around someone who can't grasp concepts, route combinations, or is unable to execute those things. Winky actually looks a lot like a smaller version of Tebow and would probably be successful in an Urban Meyer/Chip Kelly offense. I'm not of the belief, however, that those offenses can operate at optimum efficiency against the upper echelon of defenses in college football.

 

[DMoney]

When offenses are running at optimum efficiency, guys like Tebow and Denard Robinson are not running them. Matt Leinart is running it. Ken Dorsey is running it.

Tebow is the most efficient quarterback in SEC history. The defenses in that conference were pretty good.