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The Miami Job

MedleyCane said:
DMoney said:
I have to laugh when posters say that Miami isn't a great job. Apparently if a fat fool like Mark May says something enough, people start to repeat it.

Here are the facts. Miami had three coaches IN A ROW win the national championship. The fourth guy went to the NFL before he could win his. The fifth guy won a national championship despite being incompetent. The sixth guy will never be a head coach again because he somehow failed at Miami. The sixth guy is parlaying a couple good press conferences into a raise and his dream job.

The Miami job isn't for everyone. Some people prefer Big Ten mediocrity and fake morals. But if you want to be great - historically great - there is no job with as high of a ceiling as the University of Miami.
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And don't forget all the number of former UM assistants who have moved on to NFL and major college HC gigs.
Chuck Pagano, Butch Davis, Schiano, Chud, Stoops, Shannon, Curtis Johnson, Wanstedt, JJ, Erickson, Turbeville,etc...
Now, granted, these guys worked at other places before and after their UM stint....but one can't overlook the
opportunities afforded to these coaches.

Anyways, excellent post DMoney.
Short and to the point.
It should be pinned on all Cane boards.
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Yeah, and where do the PSU assistants go....if not prison. Wasn't there that guy ****erson who preceded Golden at Temple by about 15 years, and then into oblivion? The only one I can remember who has moved up was Schiano, and that's because he had a stop at UM in between.

The pattern of PSU is lifers in college. Paterno was there forever...he was an assistant to Rip Engle when I saw the real Matador and UM upset the highly ranked Nittany Lions in the Orange Bowl in 1961. (Just before Sandusky matriculated...he was doing the dirty stuff even then.) Come to think of it, how long must they have known of Sandusky and little boys? They had him around there for decades and decades....don't you think they must have suspected something? Are they so country stupid up there? Maybe Al should go..he can wear his blue tie up there...and his parents can sell their Florida home and buy something in Intercourse, PA or some nice town like that.
 
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wushah said:
I look at this like a business decision. I'm not offended that Golden is entertaining an offer from a school where he both played and coached and who might substantially increase his salary. I think most people would do the same. I also respect that he hasn't said anything to the media. Coaches get pigeon-holed into saying one thing or the other by the media in these situations, and it always backfires. Saying nothing is better. If you say you're interviewing, you're fcked. If you say you're staying and leave, you're fcked.

UM, however, does need to change its mentality. I think UM needs to learn to think like the assassin if it wants to be one. It needs to regain control of the situation. It can do so by determining what's best for the university right now at this moment where a dynamic change could take place. Miami has an opportunity here to control its own destiny and is in better position now than 3 years ago.

Is there any doubt that Petrino or Chud plus staff wouldn't be an immense upgrade over Golden? There is no doubt for me especially when Golden hasn't given Miami comfort about what he's going to do with Mark D and whether he can handle SoFLa recruiting and it's associated peculiarities.

UM needs to make its move and not wait for Golden. Be decisive. Set the hire up and encourage Golden to leave.
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The only thing that irritates me is the load of BS he trumpeted out of his mouth. This is a destination job. This is my dream job.
 
EFIL 4 ENAC said:
itsacanething said:
Why would do they care what Petrino did? Its not like he broke and NCAA rule or committed a crime.
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It's not about what he did. Its that he lied about it to the AD and President and tried to cover it up.
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Wait a second. A guy was cheating on his wife, and lied about it and tried to cover it up? No way! Most of the time when guys cheat on their wives they broadcast it to the world.
 
k9cane said:
As a guy who held Alfred James Golden in high regard, I echo what DMoney says. It is, what it is

I'm disappointed, but UM will move forward and I actually see this as a great opportunity for this program
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Shut it down, sums it up to a T. Let's talk again when we hire a new coach
 
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DMoney said:
I have to laugh when posters say that Miami isn't a great job. Apparently if a fat fool like Mark May says something enough, people start to repeat it.

Here are the facts. Miami had three coaches IN A ROW win the national championship. The fourth guy went to the NFL before he could win his. The fifth guy won a national championship despite being incompetent. The sixth guy will never be a head coach again because he somehow failed at Miami. The seventh guy is parlaying a couple good press conferences into a raise and his dream job.

The Miami job isn't for everyone. Some people prefer Big Ten mediocrity and fake morals. But if you want to be great - historically great - there is no job with as high of a ceiling as the University of Miami.
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It CAN be a great job, but the perception of the program is not good. It is undeniable that the Miami job isn't what it used to be, and you're fooling yourself to think otherwise.
 
TheMatador said:
MedleyCane said:
DMoney said:
I have to laugh when posters say that Miami isn't a great job. Apparently if a fat fool like Mark May says something enough, people start to repeat it.

Here are the facts. Miami had three coaches IN A ROW win the national championship. The fourth guy went to the NFL before he could win his. The fifth guy won a national championship despite being incompetent. The sixth guy will never be a head coach again because he somehow failed at Miami. The sixth guy is parlaying a couple good press conferences into a raise and his dream job.

The Miami job isn't for everyone. Some people prefer Big Ten mediocrity and fake morals. But if you want to be great - historically great - there is no job with as high of a ceiling as the University of Miami.
Click to expand...

And don't forget all the number of former UM assistants who have moved on to NFL and major college HC gigs.
Chuck Pagano, Butch Davis, Schiano, Chud, Stoops, Shannon, Curtis Johnson, Wanstedt, JJ, Erickson, Turbeville,etc...
Now, granted, these guys worked at other places before and after their UM stint....but one can't overlook the
opportunities afforded to these coaches.

Anyways, excellent post DMoney.
Short and to the point.
It should be pinned on all Cane boards.
Click to expand...

Yeah, and where do the PSU assistants go....if not prison. Wasn't there that guy ****erson who preceded Golden at Temple by about 15 years, and then into oblivion? The only one I can remember who has moved up was Schiano, and that's because he had a stop at UM in between.

The pattern of PSU is lifers in college. Paterno was there forever...he was an assistant to Rip Engle when I saw the real Matador and UM upset the highly ranked Nittany Lions in the Orange Bowl in 1961. (Just before Sandusky matriculated...he was doing the dirty stuff even then.) Come to think of it, how long must they have known of Sandusky and little boys? They had him around there for decades and decades....don't you think they must have suspected something? Are they so country stupid up there? Maybe Al should go..he can wear his blue tie up there...and his parents can sell their Florida home and buy something in Intercourse, PA or some nice town like that.
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I was at that game in 61, so you are the fake Matador.
 
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The Franchise said:
EFIL 4 ENAC said:
itsacanething said:
Why would do they care what Petrino did? Its not like he broke and NCAA rule or committed a crime.
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It's not about what he did. Its that he lied about it to the AD and President and tried to cover it up.
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Wait a second. A guy was cheating on his wife, and lied about it and tried to cover it up? No way! Most of the time when guys cheat on their wives they broadcast it to the world.
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Again, it's ain't about just the cheating on his wifey. He gave the chick he was banging a 55k/yr job in his department. That's nepotism, and it's generally frowned upon in a business setting. AND he screwed over his bosses in ATL and several other stops along the way. Dude has no ethics.

Think about it from a hiring perspective. This guy could be a winner, sure. Or he could totally eff up your athletic department, lie to your face, and skip town without notice at the first chance, as he's done at a couple other places.
 
Only idea worse than hiring Butch as the head coach is hiring him as a defensive coordinator. It's been 20 years since he was a DC. Luckily, college offenses today are just the same as he faced in the NFL in 1992 so it would be a pretty easy transition for him.
 
The Franchise said:
CaneTheGaytors said:
The Franchise said:
LuCane said:
Well, glad to see some of those words from you. One problem remains: regardless of what we're setup to do, what do the decision-makers want this program to become? Everyone can tell me how the leadership cares deeply about winning and all that, but at what point do we need to see the actions and evidence behind that?

That doesn't take some cookie-cutter moves and bringing out the FBI playbook to address the situation. I think it takes guts. It takes a deep look at what this program was built on. I don't believe it was built on incremental progress and improvement. As we've quickly learned, it wasn't supported by 8 pillars. The brand isn't about the videos, the talk and logos. This program was built on and launched by a mentality that has to permeate all levels. Aggression. Forward thinking. Whatever happens going forward, it needs to flow into that type of dynamic. You know who'll succeed in that environment? All those guys from all those neighborhoods mentioned in the original post.

The next important piece of evidence we need to see is that the Administration will not be satisfied with incremental progress. If the University of Miami remains conservative in their approach, I fear it will never again become the Miami Hurricanes most of us grew up on.
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No one fits those parameters you listed better than that fake guinea Bobby Olive Garden. He IS what UM was built on. A nasty, gritty guy who would cut your throat before accepting defeat. The dude is ultra-competitive. He's not a fake or a shyster or a smooth-talking salesman. He's a football coach, who would take the players down here and make us unstoppable.
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^^^This. By the way...is that Abdullah the Butcher in your avi?
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Yezzir. That avi is none other than the great ATB. I'd love to see ATB gouge Big Fat Al's eyes out in a no-holds-barred loser leaves town match.
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I thought so...that's great, Chise. Would love to see him pull out the old foreign object and go to town on Dorito...LOL.
 
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Dmoney's right - go all the way back to Howard. Four coaches in a row left Miami to become HC in the NFL. I remember Cowherd said the same thing on his show back when Randy got fired. I tried calling in. I was going to give him a list of NFL assistants and HC who had coached at the U. Not many realize that Ron Meeks, a SB winning D coordinator was a GA for JJ. That's just one example. There's more - a lot more!
 
All you losers who say the AD is inept can sit on a diick. Take your GED and get out of here
 
MAGIC CITY CANE said:
Only idea worse than hiring Butch as the head coach is hiring him as a defensive coordinator. It's been 20 years since he was a DC. Luckily, college offenses today are just the same as he faced in the NFL in 1992 so it would be a pretty easy transition for him.
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You act like he's been completely out of coaching. Wasn't that long since he was at UNC and I'm sure he had input on their top 10 defense. It's not like he forgot how to coach defense because he wasn't a coordinator.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.
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I don't disagree that it is a different time, but DMoney's point is valid. The ceiling here remains very high for the guy that wants to use the job as a stepping stone, only maybe a bit less so for the NFL right now than in the past because of the trend to elevate coordinators or hire retreads ahead of bringing up college head coaches (and that trend may reverse).

You have everything you need here--high profile position at a program that still attracts national attention, the most fertile recruiting ground in the country and a conference set up for you to dominate your division and have myriad opportunities to play in meaningful games. If you have the will and ability to do it right, this job definitely can set you up for high-level earning opportunities down the line in college or pro ball.
 
The Franchise said:
LuCane said:
Well, glad to see some of those words from you. One problem remains: regardless of what we're setup to do, what do the decision-makers want this program to become? Everyone can tell me how the leadership cares deeply about winning and all that, but at what point do we need to see the actions and evidence behind that?

That doesn't take some cookie-cutter moves and bringing out the FBI playbook to address the situation. I think it takes guts. It takes a deep look at what this program was built on. I don't believe it was built on incremental progress and improvement. As we've quickly learned, it wasn't supported by 8 pillars. The brand isn't about the videos, the talk and logos. This program was built on and launched by a mentality that has to permeate all levels. Aggression. Forward thinking. Whatever happens going forward, it needs to flow into that type of dynamic. You know who'll succeed in that environment? All those guys from all those neighborhoods mentioned in the original post.

The next important piece of evidence we need to see is that the Administration will not be satisfied with incremental progress. If the University of Miami remains conservative in their approach, I fear it will never again become the Miami Hurricanes most of us grew up on.
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No one fits those parameters you listed better than that fake guinea Bobby Olive Garden. He IS what UM was built on. A nasty, gritty guy who would cut your throat before accepting defeat. The dude is ultra-competitive. He's not a fake or a shyster or a smooth-talking salesman. He's a football coach, who would take the players down here and make us unstoppable.
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It's clear Miami needs to make reservations at Olive Garden. This guy with UM material would be scary good and dangerous

Just make sure he keep his Johnson in his pants
 
EFIL 4 ENAC said:
MAGIC CITY CANE said:
Only idea worse than hiring Butch as the head coach is hiring him as a defensive coordinator. It's been 20 years since he was a DC. Luckily, college offenses today are just the same as he faced in the NFL in 1992 so it would be a pretty easy transition for him.
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You act like he's been completely out of coaching. Wasn't that long since he was at UNC and I'm sure he had input on their top 10 defense. It's not like he forgot how to coach defense because he wasn't a coordinator.
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Nick Saban has not been a DC since the 90s …Smart does everything ;-)
 
nycane said:
chad thomas, berrious, kaaya, etc all have not heard from him. something aint right. he normally hounds these kids. let him go to PSU at this point.
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It's a recruiting dead period, coaches can't contact recruits.
 
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