The Miami Job

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ****ing inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

Well if "fans" don't get better don't expect your precious stadium to get filled anytime soon. That's how Miami fans demand it.

At least other programs have fans that actually go to games instead of message board warriors - Penn State gets 100k for every game while we can't even 30k - thats frontrunning and ****** fans.
 
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D$, are you hearing anything about who UM might be considering?

And how would your proposed: Chud/Coley/MC/Patrick/Hurlie/Butch be as a recruiting monster?

Based on an educated guess, Chud would be the (very) early favorite. I've heard Petrino's name enough to know that he's in the mix.

That staff, albeit completely hypothetical, makes sense and would recruit players that belong at Miami.
 
At least other programs have fans that actually go to games instead of message board warriors - Penn State gets 100k for every game while we can't even 30k - thats frontrunning and ****** fans.

I'm not quite sure if serious. Penn St. fans are the reason they've been toiling in mediocraty for 2 decades. They continue to support a bad product. Cubs fans through and through.
 
Putting some pieces together...

Miami higher ups putting pressure on Golden to do something about D'Onofrio and the D (like pcity and others have posted)
Chud and Petrino in the mix

gives me the impression that there just may be more seriousness at UM about competing and winning in football.

Am I seeing something new here?
 
D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ******* inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

Well if "fans" don't get better don't expect your precious stadium to get filled anytime soon. That's how Miami fans demand it.

LMAO. You obviously haven't been around very long. Fans don't show up when we win, they don't show up when we lose. And no one donates to the athletic department.

Ya'll act like UM owes you something, but you don't do squat for UM other than ***** and moan on a message board.

Did you see the crowds at the Virginia game this year? How bout at the end of the Shannon era? If you think donations/attendance won't impact this next hire then you're delusional. We aren't obviously going to be out drawing SEC and Big 10 crowds but you want to see bad......have Golden stick around a couple more years.

You do know that we're reporting about the same attendance over the last 2-3 years than we did in the early 2000s, right? We average about 45-50k tickets per game, no matter what.

Look, all I'm saying is if you want a big-name coach, stop whining and actually support the **** team. Go to games. Put your money where your mouth is. Perhaps if we had a few more fans in the stands, we wouldn't be a frigging laughingstock when ESPN televises our games. Perhaps we'd have enough money to pay a "name" coach instead of having to low-ball it and go with some unknown guy.
 
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At least other programs have fans that actually go to games instead of message board warriors - Penn State gets 100k for every game while we can't even 30k - thats frontrunning and ****ty fans.

I'm not quite sure if serious. Penn St. fans are the reason they've been toiling in mediocraty for 2 decades. They continue to support a bad product. Cubs fans through and through.

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Front-running, the worst kind of fandom there is.
 
D,who are a 2-3 guys you'd like us to call up if/when the job comes open?

Petrino would be my first choice. He'd need some help recruiting, but this program needs a true-blue coach. I like the chip on his shoulder, and he wants the job.

I think Chud can be successful with the right staff. He's been out of the college game for a decade. I don't know if this is realistic from the administration's standpoint, but something like Cristobal at OL (I've heard Chud and Kehoe don't get along), Hurlie, Barrow, Kevin Patrick, Coley (he's close to Cristobal and can learn from Chud) and Chud's old boss, Butch, as defensive coordinator.

The game is played by players. The best players in the world live in the neighborhoods surrounding that ****ty stadium.

You've obviously never studied home field impact and variance. Leaving the Orange Bowl was devastating. We essentially forfeited 2 points per game on average, which is a greater adjustment in performance than all but a top tier quarterback.

Check the Dolphins results in their Orange Bowl years (1966-1986) versus the Sun Life years (1987-2013). They have declined 2.7 points per game on average in road games, indicating that the team in general has not been as good as the Shula years. But the decline in home games has been 5.3 points per game, from +7.5 to +2.2. That's unbelievable. It demonstrates how far the Orange Bowl was above the typical venue. I wrote to Dee and Shalala in 2007 emphasizing those numbers. At least the Dolphins could pretend the new venue would approximate the Orange Bowl. We had two decades worth of data and chose to ignore it. But why should I be surprised, given the conventional wisdom that the stadium doesn't matter? I never met one successful speculator who didn't understand home field values and how they vary.

If Golden leaves, I hope he is candid with the media in regard to Miami's stadium situation and how it regulates the program. That would be a needed jolt to the university, and to message boards like this one. The stadium should be the focal point every year, trumping every other variable.



D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ****ing inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

Well if "fans" don't get better don't expect your precious stadium to get filled anytime soon. That's how Miami fans demand it.

LMAO. You obviously haven't been around very long. Fans don't show up when we win, they don't show up when we lose. And no one donates to the athletic department.

Ya'll act like UM owes you something, but you don't do squat for UM other than **** and moan on a message board.

In 2002, Miami averaged nearly 65k fans.

Right. The year after a national title. You know that we're not going to be winning national titles every year, right?

In 2003, the year after playing for our second straight title but losing...we averaged 58k.

By 2005, even after winning a NC just 4 years prior and winning 9/10 games a season in between, we averaged 47k.

In 2012, after a decade of mediocrity, we averaged 50k.

Moral of the story: even in our BEST years, after winning championships and all that, we'll average around 60k. In a 9/10 win season, we can expect 45-50k.
 
Putting some pieces together...

Miami higher ups putting pressure on Golden to do something about D'Onofrio and the D (like pcity and others have posted)
Chud and Petrino in the mix

gives me the impression that there just may be more seriousness at UM about competing and winning in football.

Am I seeing something new here?
There is nothing new here. Its a perception thing.

people confuse bad decisions which there have been with desire to win.

you can also have two concurring goals without canceling one of them out.

it's been rough and mistakes have been made, but notice how no one who actually knows or has met shalala ever says she doesn't want to win and win big? She's the person that basically made um the only major school who s official logo is one that actually began in the athletic department and put it on everything including the hospital.

She gets bland for butch and she wasn't even he president then yet

And people are calling out Blake who hasn't even been in a position to make a hire yet, but has made tons of other improvements and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

dont get me wrong, I already have my letter ready for her, Blake, and more, and yes I have had replies before and return calls from all of them in the past, so I want to add my two cents even if it's worth crap just to state my feelings about the results and all. They have to get this one right, have to be brave. I think they will be. I just don't buy the blame Donna crap as it being intent vs mistakes.

intent can't be fixed, mistakes can be corrected. They aren't dumb.
 
At least other programs have fans that actually go to games instead of message board warriors - Penn State gets 100k for every game while we can't even 30k - thats frontrunning and ****ty fans.

I'm not quite sure if serious. Penn St. fans are the reason they've been toiling in mediocraty for 2 decades. They continue to support a bad product. Cubs fans through and through.

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Front-running, the worst kind of fandom there is.

How long have you watched this team? I distinctly remember Butch coaching in an empty Orange Bowl.

If you think this is something a head coach at Miami can't overcome, you're either a Golden Slurper praying he sticks around, or you weren't around 20 years ago.
 
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At least other programs have fans that actually go to games instead of message board warriors - Penn State gets 100k for every game while we can't even 30k - thats frontrunning and ****ty fans.

I'm not quite sure if serious. Penn St. fans are the reason they've been toiling in mediocraty for 2 decades. They continue to support a bad product. Cubs fans through and through.

68.jpg


Front-running, the worst kind of fandom there is.

How long have you watched this team? I distinctly remember Butch coaching in an empty Orange Bowl.

If you think this is something a head coach at Miami can't overcome, you're either a Golden Slurper praying he sticks around, or you weren't around 20 years ago.

He's both. Clearly.
 
D$, you think Blake is making some calls behind the scenes to see who would want the job, in order to prevent a 2-3 week coaching search?
 
At least other programs have fans that actually go to games instead of message board warriors - Penn State gets 100k for every game while we can't even 30k - thats frontrunning and ****ty fans.

I'm not quite sure if serious. Penn St. fans are the reason they've been toiling in mediocraty for 2 decades. They continue to support a bad product. Cubs fans through and through.

68.jpg


Front-running, the worst kind of fandom there is.

How long have you watched this team? I distinctly remember Butch coaching in an empty Orange Bowl.

If you think this is something a head coach at Miami can't overcome, you're either a Golden Slurper praying he sticks around, or you weren't around 20 years ago.

You do realize that during the WF game, while we were 6-0 and people thought the program was on the rise, our stadium was empty at kickoff time.

I don't want Al to stay, he can go with his butt-buddy to PSU and we'll be the better, but there isn't a good reason besides being a ****** fanbase why we have to have an empty stadium during games and be the butt of jokes from the national media.
 
I appreciate your optimism. But lets look at the cons.

Stadium is a ghost town down the stretch
Inept AD and president
Limited budget as far as paying coaches and assistants
Higher academic requirements
Stadium is not on campus and further away than the OB was.

Aside from stadium location, please look up the **** show that was Stanford when Harbaugh took over under Harris and Buddy Teevens.
 
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Petrino would be a slam-dunk hire, no two ways about it. He's one of the few truly elite coaches in the college game.

I see that some of you are down on Chud, but I think he'd be an excellent hire as well. Whether or not he can recruit is the unknown variable, but he is a superb gameday coach and knows how to run an offense. The Browns fired him because he wasn't a yes-man; if you look back at what he did this year, despite having only a couple solid players on offense and losing Hoyer to that injury, it's clear that he wasn't the problem there. IMO, if he can hold his own against DCs in the NFL, he can handle DCs in college.
 
At least other programs have fans that actually go to games instead of message board warriors - Penn State gets 100k for every game while we can't even 30k - thats frontrunning and ****ty fans.

I'm not quite sure if serious. Penn St. fans are the reason they've been toiling in mediocraty for 2 decades. They continue to support a bad product. Cubs fans through and through.

68.jpg


Front-running, the worst kind of fandom there is.

How long have you watched this team? I distinctly remember Butch coaching in an empty Orange Bowl.

If you think this is something a head coach at Miami can't overcome, you're either a Golden Slurper praying he sticks around, or you weren't around 20 years ago.

You do realize that during the WF game, while we were 6-0 and people thought the program was on the rise, our stadium was empty at kickoff time.

I don't want Al to stay, he can go with his butt-buddy to PSU and we'll be the better, but there isn't a good reason besides being a ****ty fanbase why we have to have an empty stadium during games and be the butt of jokes from the national media.

So basically, you're entire porst was to ***** about not putting fannies in the seats?

And your argument is that makes this job unattractive? Nevermind it's rich history, access to the most fertile, concentrated, and rich recruiting territory in all of college football.

Just awful.
 
Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.
So, the job is so attractive that the last two times the position was open the best candidates we could land were Randy Shannon and Al Golden? I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to be a **** but I just don't think the outside world views the job the same way. The Miami job comes with the NFL pressure of winning championships but a mid level college salary, poor fan support and the b.s. that comes along with south Florida recruiting. Why would any established/top level coach sign up for that?
 
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