The Miami Job

[CaneHammer]

chad thomas, berrious, kaaya, etc all have not heard from him. something aint right. he normally hounds these kids. let him go to PSU at this point.

It's a recruiting dead period, coaches can't contact recruits.

There are ways to get the message out. Dead period is a lame *** excuse.

I was once on the fence about Golden. He needs to be gone now.

 

[nope44]

I think it's a great job, however we have a lot more competition for the top talent and the other big, prestigious programs didn't recruit down here 30 years ago the way they do now. They have a considerable advantage over us in many aspects, and ours is based on location. I'm not blind and I know that while we are a great job, we aren't in competition for the top job. It puts us at a distinct disadvantage for trying to procure top coaches as well.

 

[DMoney]

Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

 

[Biscuits]

No way in **** Butch Davis comes back as a DC.

That was pure speculation on my part. But if Norv Turner could work under Chud, why can't Butch? He is out of work and humbled. And he's old. Being a college coach is always tough, but being the head coach is a true grind. Maybe he'd rather be a coordinator and evaluator than the head man at this stage of his life.

This **** right here.

He was "Special Assistant to the Head Coach" in Tampa. DC isn't a some massive downgrade.

 

[561Cane]

62 is hardly old. Saban is 62 and so is Pinkle. ****, George O'Leary is 67.

Separately, I'd look at Jim Leavitt...

No way in **** Butch Davis comes back as a DC.

That was pure speculation on my part. But if Norv Turner could work under Chud, why can't Butch? He is out of work and humbled. And he's old. Being a college coach is always tough, but being the head coach is a true grind. Maybe he'd rather be a coordinator and evaluator than the head man at this stage of his life.

This **** right here.

He was "Special Assistant to the Head Coach" in Tampa. DC isn't a some massive downgrade.

 

[sebastian91]

Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

 

[fincane]

Search for an X and O genius. Defense or Offense. Don't care. Start there and then you whittle down to guys who fit Miami football. You get a smart driven guy who is all about football, not empty sayings and pillars.

 

[DutchieFlair]

sebastian,

Can you do the knowledge on that and show us the rosters and the talent that won us titles. Appreciate it

 

[GeminiCane]

DMoney, its all well to say its a great job but now you need to fill it. How much confidence do you have in Blake James, Shalala, Di Mare etc to make that decision. Its been 3 bad coaches in a row now. The university seems conservative and more apt to go the safe route than the home run route.

Everyone brings up Chud but my concern is does he want to be a college coach and recruit and get into the mid of South Florida recruiting. Its like when Randy was fired and Trestman's name came up, I never thought he could be a recruiter down here. Its why some coaches prefer the NFL, you don't have to recruit.

 

[ramcanes]

Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

It was the speed but more importantly, the swagger and mental competitiveness of the local kids which pushed everyone's skill level. How's our 64 year old retread of a basketball coach Larranaga working out, huh!! ?

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ******* inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ******* inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

Our own fans are so scared of us being back. It's sad. They really believe we deserve a slimy coach who is good at nothing but producing laughable soundbites like "GET YOUR LICKS IN NOW"

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ******* inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ******* inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

Well if "fans" don't get better don't expect your precious stadium to get filled anytime soon. That's how Miami fans demand it.

 

[DMoney]

You want some facts?

Yes. I would. Your post didn't have any. Mine did.

This job is better than it was in 1999, and that's a fact.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ******* inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

Well if "fans" don't get better don't expect your precious stadium to get filled anytime soon. That's how Miami fans demand it.

LMAO. You obviously haven't been around very long. Fans don't show up when we win, they don't show up when we lose. And no one donates to the athletic department.

Ya'll act like UM owes you something, but you don't do squat for UM other than ***** and moan on a message board.

 

[stormsurge]

D$, are you hearing anything about who UM might be considering?

And how would your proposed: Chud/Coley/MC/Patrick/Hurlie/Butch be as a recruiting monster?

 

[Big Sky Cane]

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ******* inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

Well if "fans" don't get better don't expect your precious stadium to get filled anytime soon. That's how Miami fans demand it.

LMAO. You obviously haven't been around very long. Fans don't show up when we win, they don't show up when we lose. And no one donates to the athletic department.

Ya'll act like UM owes you something, but you don't do squat for UM other than ***** and moan on a message board.

Did you see the crowds at the Virginia game this year? How bout at the end of the Shannon era? If you think donations/attendance won't impact this next hire then you're delusional. We aren't obviously going to be out drawing SEC and Big 10 crowds but you want to see bad......have Golden stick around a couple more years.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

D$, are you hearing anything about who UM might be considering?

And how would your proposed: Chud/Coley/MC/Patrick/Hurlie/Butch be as a recruiting monster?

He said last night he's hearing Chud and Petrino. Nothing concrete though.

 

[Hurracanes]

D,who are a 2-3 guys you'd like us to call up if/when the job comes open?

Petrino would be my first choice. He'd need some help recruiting, but this program needs a true-blue coach. I like the chip on his shoulder, and he wants the job.

I think Chud can be successful with the right staff. He's been out of the college game for a decade. I don't know if this is realistic from the administration's standpoint, but something like Cristobal at OL (I've heard Chud and Kehoe don't get along), Hurlie, Barrow, Kevin Patrick, Coley (he's close to Cristobal and can learn from Chud) and Chud's old boss, Butch, as defensive coordinator.

The game is played by players. The best players in the world live in the neighborhoods surrounding that ****ty stadium.

You've obviously never studied home field impact and variance. Leaving the Orange Bowl was devastating. We essentially forfeited 2 points per game on average, which is a greater adjustment in performance than all but a top tier quarterback.

Check the Dolphins results in their Orange Bowl years (1966-1986) versus the Sun Life years (1987-2013). They have declined 2.7 points per game on average in road games, indicating that the team in general has not been as good as the Shula years. But the decline in home games has been 5.3 points per game, from +7.5 to +2.2. That's unbelievable. It demonstrates how far the Orange Bowl was above the typical venue. I wrote to Dee and Shalala in 2007 emphasizing those numbers. At least the Dolphins could pretend the new venue would approximate the Orange Bowl. We had two decades worth of data and chose to ignore it. But why should I be surprised, given the conventional wisdom that the stadium doesn't matter? I never met one successful speculator who didn't understand home field values and how they vary.

If Golden leaves, I hope he is candid with the media in regard to Miami's stadium situation and how it regulates the program. That would be a needed jolt to the university, and to message boards like this one. The stadium should be the focal point every year, trumping every other variable.

Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ****ing inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

LOL, you're delusional. People are tossing out retreads like Petrino and Butch for this job if AG leaves. ****, we might as well bring Dennis back. The talent gap is not widening...it's shrinking. And the attitudes of the divas and their 'handlers' down here are something that will have to be dealt with. You want some facts? Why don't you pull up the rosters from all of the "good old days" and tell me how many of our best players were local kids? I think you might be surprised what you find, but then it wouldn't support your agenda, would it?

D$'s only agenda is for FANS to get over the ****ing inferiority complex. We deserve better and god **** it we better get it.

It's funny when UM fans who are notorious for not showing up to games and not donating to the athletic department talk about what "we deserve" and make demands that "we better get it."

Well if "fans" don't get better don't expect your precious stadium to get filled anytime soon. That's how Miami fans demand it.

LMAO. You obviously haven't been around very long. Fans don't show up when we win, they don't show up when we lose. And no one donates to the athletic department.

Ya'll act like UM owes you something, but you don't do squat for UM other than **** and moan on a message board.

In 2002, Miami averaged nearly 65k fans.