The Miami Job

We sound like a bunch of bitter, spoiled children. Golden doesn't owe us an explanation. He owes it to the AD, his staff, players and recruits and I hope and assume he has communicated with them. I don't blame him for hearing his alma mater out -- perhaps they'd be willing to make him an offer no rational person can turn down. It isn't a matter of loyalty. Sounds like his price is very high (as it should be, given his commitment here) and he has been forthright with UM's AD at least -- hence the expression of doubt that Golden is going anywhere.

That said, he better not lose recruits over this.
 

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The Miami job is an elite job. It is a job that separates the men from the boys.

It doesn't have all of the ancillary ****. No huge boosters, no monster stadium, a relatively small fan base that doesn't turn out for token home games, not a whole lot of resources...but who cares? The only thing needed to be successful in college football is talent. Whether its your talent as a coach or the talent you have access to. Some schools, like Oregon, need money and big state of the art facilities to have access to talent. Big State schools have alumni bases a miles wide and tons of cash and resources to open up their avenue to talent. Miami has access to all the talent to destroy college football annually right in its back yard. You can't take a **** outside on Ponce without ****ing in the direction of a future All-Conference or NFL player.

So, what it does offer? Opportunity, a pay check, and all the man power you need to win as big as you want/can. If you're a real coach that is serious about being a winner...you come to Miami and you win and when you're done, you go try your hand at the pro game. Tried and true method for 20 years as the most dominate team in the nation...no reason it won't hold up in this era of college football. Schnelly, Jimmy, Erickson, Butch...these guys weren't the hottest name on the market when they were hired. Just football guys that wanted greatness and knew talent - whether it was a player playing for them or a coach on their staff (well, maybe not so much for Erickson) and a heart for coaching.

There have been plenty of good coaches that ha/ve wanted the job or would want the job. Now, whether or not the administration would want them is a different story, but Miami should never ever be happy or feel lucky to be had by anybody. Coaches should feel lucky they receive this opportunity, because you have the balls of college football on your fingertips when you coach at Miami...but, if you can't win at Miami...you just aren't a good coach. But, if you do, immortality ain't far away.
 
GUYS.... THE 80s were 30 years ago. 3 decades. these recruits were born in 1996, back when Clinton was getting blowjobs from Monica. It's time to move on. HISTORY doesn't mean **** anymore. just like we're not fighting the russians anymore, college football HAS CHANGED. DELTA.

you're a MORON if you're using this argument that our coaches from the 80s and EARLY 90s go onto better things. NEWSFLASH. these coaches today don't care. ever heard the saying: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY? a ****ty stadium, no money, horrible expectations, and no loyalty from the local talent. we're a sham of a program. LOVE YOU ALL but ****, we're a second tier program now.

You should find another team to root for.
 
Talking with a friend of mine today and he brought up a great point that hasn't been talked about much.

What if Golden took the job allready and has maintained radio silence to give UM a chance to identify court and name a replacement, so that the announcement could be done almost simultaneously?

Would be much more inline with the way Golden has behaved here for the past 3 years no?

Do you really think PSU gives a **** about us? They aint delaying ****. When they offer the job and it get's accepted. NEWS. They have a recruiting class to salvage as well.
 
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The Miami job is an elite job. It is a job that separates the men from the boys.

It doesn't have all of the ancillary ****. No huge boosters, no monster stadium, a relatively small fan base that doesn't turn out for token home games, not a whole lot of resources...but who cares? The only thing needed to be successful in college football is talent. Whether its your talent as a coach or the talent you have access to. Some schools, like Oregon, need money and big state of the art facilities to have access to talent. Big State schools have alumni bases a miles wide and tons of cash and resources to open up their avenue to talent. Miami has access to all the talent to destroy college football annually right in its back yard. You can't take a **** outside on Ponce without ****ing in the direction of a future All-Conference or NFL player.

So, what it does offer? Opportunity, a pay check, and all the man power you need to win as big as you want/can. If you're a real coach that is serious about being a winner...you come to Miami and you win and when you're done, you go try your hand at the pro game. Tried and true method for 20 years as the most dominate team in the nation...no reason it won't hold up in this era of college football. Schnelly, Jimmy, Erickson, Butch...these guys weren't the hottest name on the market when they were hired. Just football guys that wanted greatness and knew talent - whether it was a player playing for them or a coach on their staff (well, maybe not so much for Erickson) and a heart for coaching.

There have been plenty of good coaches that have wanted the job or would want the job. Now, whether or not the administration would want them is a different story, but Miami should never ever be happy or feel lucky to be had by anybody. Coaches should feel lucky they receive this opportunity, because you have the balls of college football on your fingertips when you coach at Miami...but, if you can't win at Miami...you just aren't a good coach. But, if you do, immortality ain't far away.

This next hire is our chance to reclaim our rightful crown, as the kings of College Football. Sure, we can just hire any corch on the block and come up win 9 wins and a middling bowl game. But thats not enough here. What do we the fans want from our team? Do we accept mediocrity, or do we expect results?

Incompetency has destroyed any expectations that the ship can be fixed. But all it takes is one smart coach to get us to the land of milk and honey. A coach who understands what it takes to win at the highest level of CFB, who understands the intricacies of Miami recruiting, and is able to reap the rewards.

I don't want some chump leading the way, I want a intelligent football mind able to lead this football team to the promised land.
 
Anyone that tries to argue that Miami is not a top tier job should be banned for complete and total douchebaggery.


******* idiots. Go eat a ******** sandwich.
 
We sound like a bunch of bitter, spoiled children. Golden doesn't owe us an explanation. He owes it to the AD, his staff, players and recruits and I hope and assume he has communicated with them. I don't blame him for hearing his alma mater out -- perhaps they'd be willing to make him an offer no rational person can turn down. It isn't a matter of loyalty. Sounds like his price is very high (as it should be, given his commitment here) and he has been forthright with UM's AD at least -- hence the expression of doubt that Golden is going anywhere.

That said, he better not lose recruits over this.

I disagree.

It's all about the fans.

It always has been and it always will be.
 
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Pretty solid from pennlive.com

Al Golden doesn’t merely have a career choice to make in the next few days. He has arrived at a fork in his life’s road.

The former Penn State tight end and Temple head coach has just completed his third season at a place from which successful coaches commonly graduate to the National Football League. If you win big with the Miami Hurricanes, you are by default a hot NFL commodity because of all the talent that runs through the program.

When you become known as a guy who can manage gifted players, the NFL will beat a path to your door. It did to that of Jimmy Johnson, Dennis Erickson and Butch Davis. All three locked up NFL jobs and made their big money there.

You do not make your big money coaching at Miami. For all the notoriety the Hurricanes bring and the hype that surrounds them, home crowds are typically half-full gatherings of fickle fans. Too many other attractions abound in warm and watery South Florida. The sports dollar is split too many ways and the two-time NBA champion Heat is recently taking a large share of what would otherwise be everyone’s money.

Further, Miami is a relatively small private school lacking a huge endowment or donor base. The city lacks many large corporate businesses. The running joke is that the same handful of athletic donors have been showing up at school functions for decades.

But, if Golden ultimately wants to take his shot at the NFL, he’s in the right place and merely needs to keep at it. Miami self-imposed undisclosed scholarship sanctions and banned itself from bowls after the Nevin Shapiro fiasco which broke shortly after Golden arrived. He was reportedly none too pleased about not being fully informed before his hiring about Shapiro by university administrators who conceivably could have seen the scandal coming.

An inept and bumbling NCAA investigation dragged on two years before spitting out in the fall a relative wrist slap – a reduction of 9 scholarships over 3 years.

The sanctions have virtually been weathered already. Miami played in a bowl for the first time in three years last Saturday, losing to Louisville in the Russell Athletic Bowl in Orlando. Golden gave his staff this week off. They have a 9 a.m. meeting Monday but have essentially been kept in the dark about Golden’s intentions while Penn State rumors swirl, according to a Miami source. Golden has not cleared the air publicly and has not spoken to reporters. A very good recruiting class of Miami verbal commits stands in the balance.

No one really knows what Golden is making on his Miami contract because the school is private and is not bound by Freedom of Information Act transparency laws. USA Today recently quoted Golden’s annual salary at $2.15 million which would place him in the bottom half among ACC head coaches. South Florida sources to whom I’ve spoken believe the university and its president Donna Shalala are unwilling to engage in much of a bidding war with PSU or anyone else.

That’s never been the way Miami operates. In fact, prior coach Randy Shannon was one of the lowest-paid AQ-conference coaches in the nation, originally making a reported $800,000 before being bumped up mid-contract to a reported $1.4 million.

So, if Penn State decides it wants Golden and wants to back up the truck to bring him home, he would seem to be available. They ended up paying Bill O'Brien $3.6 million annually. There are “heartstrings” attaching Golden to Penn State, in the terms of a source close to him. Both he and his wife Kelly are PSU grads. She grew up in Pennsylvania, he in central Jersey.

Then again, it’s not as if either of the Goldens are itching to leave as a domestic choice. I’ve been told Kelly Golden very much enjoys South Florida and their parents each winter along the Florida Suncoast.

Still, from a career standpoint, Miami is not a place you stay for 10 or 20 years. It’s a checkpoint en route to a destination. In contrast, Penn State is certainly a destination job for an alum like Golden. So, his choice is clear.

Golden’s agent Brett Senior, a Philadelphia resident with an office near the Main Line and a PSU grad himself, certainly knows the turf he’s working here. If Golden merely wants to bump up the salary of his Miami assistants, I suppose that’s possible. But any significant raise for him is unlikely on the heels of a 9-4 season, 5-3 in the ACC including a loss to eventual division champion Duke.

In fact, fan sentiment toward retaining him has been notably tepid. Hurricane fans seem grateful for his integrity and leadership in helping the program endure the uncertainty and trials of the last three years. But many of the same folks seem perfectly willing to see another coach such as abruptly fired Cleveland Browns coach and Miami grad Rob Chudzinski arrive in Golden’s place. That's the transience Miami fans routinely accept; they're used to it.

In short, if Penn State really wants him and athletic director Dave Joyner shows it, Golden is available.


DAVID JONES: djones@pennlive.com.
 
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Too bad it's not 1999 when D Money's post would have been accurate. In 2014, not so much.

This is another line that people parrot without facts.

Miami's job is better now than it was in 1999. Better facilities. Better academics to sell to recruits. A more proven NFL track record.

Most importantly, the talent gap between South Florida and the rest of the country gets wider every single year. Look at the USA Today high school rankings. St. Thomas pulverized last year's high school national champion, and they weren't even a top 5 team down here. South Florida used to only produce skill guys and front seven players. Now it's producing everything, including five-star quarterbacks and offensive linemen.

People act like other major programs didn't start recruiting South Florida until 2000. The big schools have always recruited South Florida. The difference is that Schnelly, JJ and Butch took back the area, with the same attendance and budget issues. It takes a great coach. This job deserves a great coach.
So, the job is so attractive that the last two times the position was open the best candidates we could land were Randy Shannon and Al Golden? I respect your opinion and I'm not trying to be a **** but I just don't think the outside world views the job the same way. The Miami job comes with the NFL pressure of winning championships but a mid level college salary, poor fan support and the b.s. that comes along with south Florida recruiting. Why would any established/top level coach sign up for that?

They screwed the pooch hiring Randy. Regardless of being a successful DC at Miami, you don't elevate a guy from a failed staff. If he was the coach in waiting and they forced Larry to resign, then that's one thing. Randy really was set up for failure. Very good coordinator but he is not head coaching timber. Quite honestly, Miami didn't show a lot of patience in 2007. The timing was not right in 2010 so Miami chose their best option available.

If Golden leaves, then there are quite a few options because you have a bunch former Miami assistants, all unemployed and all wanting HC jobs and all interested in coming back to Miami. Think about this. Chud, Schiano, Ed O., even Butch. I wouldn't be shocked with Winston Moss or Curtis Johnson asked to interview. Now throw in Petrino who wants out of purgatory and you have some options.

Curtis Johnson is a name you don't hear much lately but he would be a tremendous head coach here - great recruiter, great pro experience, solid position coach, etc. Not sure how well he's been doing in Tulane, though.
 
Miami is the right job for the right guy at the right time.

Those guys you speak of who had great success—that took place between 1983 and 1991. Davis would've won one in 2001, but still over the last dozen years of college football as a sport and business have changed TREMENDOUSLY.

Miami is not the job it once was. Find the right up and comer who wants to be here and it's a great job. Put the wrong guy in here and it's not.
 
Miami is the right job for the right guy at the right time.

Those guys you speak of who had great success—that took place between 1983 and 1991. Davis would've won one in 2001, but still over the last dozen years of college football as a sport and business have changed TREMENDOUSLY.

Miami is not the job it once was. Find the right up and comer who wants to be here and it's a great job. Put the wrong guy in here and it's not.

I agree, but I have my doubts about whether ANY coach will ever be able to get this program back to what we all want it to be as long as we're playing in that stadium. I hope someone can do it, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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