The Miami Job

[Ispyin]

our job is CRAP. this isn't the 80s anymore. this isn't even 2001 anymore. no one wants to coach here. happens every few cycles. WHY? because we can't sell our stadium, we have no money, and these SOFLA kids DON'T know loyalty. they all want to go elsewhere.

we're a mediocre program. I'm going to ACCEPT it. you should too

Definition of a loser. Will add you to the dictionary definition. Loser: see above.

 

[TheOGCane]

our job is CRAP. this isn't the 80s anymore. this isn't even 2001 anymore. no one wants to coach here. happens every few cycles. WHY? because we can't sell our stadium, we have no money, and these SOFLA kids DON'T know loyalty. they all want to go elsewhere.

we're a mediocre program. I'm going to ACCEPT it. you should too

Definition of a loser. Will add you to the dictionary definition. Loser: see above.

notice you have no argument against what I'm saying???

 

[Jmhcane]

Definition of a loser. Will add you to the dictionary definition. Loser: see above.

and IGNORE list

 

[CANE4LIFE]

For starters, the obvious. This job comes with a TON of pressure, and does NOT pay all that well. Coaches are expected to win, and early at Miami, but the pay is more commensurate with that of mid level type program such as Wake Forest or Purdue.

When Coker was here, he was one of the highest paid coaches in college football. Win and you will be compensated. Coaching at Miami is the easiest way to drive up your price tag. Al Golden is the latest example.

Its true that it is a high profile program that gets you good exposure and it is in a very talent rich area, BUT... the talent rich area is often as much a curse as it is a blessing. The school's admission standards often are at radical odds with the terrible academic standards of South Florida schools. Also, many of these great South Florida players, come from poor socio economic backgrounds, making the "pay for play" situation much more of a problem in South Florida, and that puts UM at somewhat at a disadvantage as being a smaller private University, it does not have the resources to really play that game head to head with the big $ programs.

The talent is never a curse. For every player that wants money, there are three stud players dying to come to the U. We have been getting beat by kids we didn't want. Louisville is the latest example, but certainly not the first. I just watched TY Hilton go for 224 yards in the playoffs. We didn't want him.

Being a small private University, also has its disadvantages too from the "big time College Football" environment. The school does not have its own stadium, instead playing in a rather dull, sterile and cavernous pro stadium far away from Campus. Due to the smaller and international nature of the University, it has a smaller alumni base than its rivals, and a very small alumni base even within South Florida, making community support of the program, including attending games, a dicey situation.

Our attendance sucks. But we set home-winning streaks with crappy attendance.

Because UM is located in a big city, and because its an expensive, small, private University, most of the local media is not really tied or owes any allegiance to the school. In fact, many of the most prominent members of the local sports media, are alumni of the UMs bigger rivals, meaning the program gets a LOT of scrutiny, but little help from the Sports Media.

This is actually one of the least scrutinized jobs in major college football. South Florida fans have to worry about LeBron, the Dolphins and two other professional franchises. In a college town, the football program is the only thing that matters. Talk radio, print media, it's all dedicated to one team. That is scrutiny.

In the "arms race" that is big time college football, UM is like Luxembourg trying to compete with France, Germany, Italy, Russia, the US and China. There is NO other program like UM left competing at this level. If you drill down into comparable schools, UM should be more on par with the likes of Duke, Rice, Tulane, and yet somehow it is still competing with the FSUs, OSUs, LSUs of the world. Its an uphill battle.

A little perspective: Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden are two of the greatest college football coaches of all-time. They coached for 84 years between them. They won four total championships. In the span of 18 years, four different Miami coaches combined for five championships.

This isn't Luxemberg. If you're at Miami, you are sitting on a nuclear ****nal every year. All it takes is a great coach to identify, acquire and utilize those weapons.

Real Talk, WE as hardcore fans love to think that this is the greatest gig in the world. But for many other coaches looking to advance their careers, its a BIG gamble, with big risks, for not as much money as many other places pay.

I don't see the risk. Four guys won titles. Butch became an NFL coach. Golden got the offer he wanted. Shannon is the only guy that killed his career, and that was his own fault. That's an 85% success rate for any coach who takes this job.

If you believe in your ability as a coach, all you need is players. This job has the players. That's why it's a great job.

Think maybe we are talking past each other here. Im not denying that this can be a great job for the right coach. I guess what Im saying is this isnt VIEWED as a great job. It just isnt. For the reasons I mentioned. I mean you really cant deny this. AG and Randy Edsall were the finalists last time for this gig. The bigger names in the coaching world are not lining up to come here. I mean even after his extension, AG was only the 7th highest paid in the ACC. I think you are looking at this too much from the inside out, not from the outside in.

 

[User-4525]

D$.....


That's my boss man. That's my boss

*T.O. gif*

 

[chicanego]

GUYS.... THE 80s were 30 years ago. 3 decades. these recruits were born in 1996, back when Clinton was getting blowjobs from Monica. It's time to move on. HISTORY doesn't mean **** anymore. just like we're not fighting the russians anymore, college football HAS CHANGED. DELTA.

you're a MORON if you're using this argument that our coaches from the 80s and EARLY 90s go onto better things. NEWSFLASH. these coaches today don't care. ever heard the saying: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY? a ****ty stadium, no money, horrible expectations, and no loyalty from the local talent. we're a sham of a program. LOVE YOU ALL but ****, we're a second tier program now.

 

[Ispyin]

our job is CRAP. this isn't the 80s anymore. this isn't even 2001 anymore. no one wants to coach here. happens every few cycles. WHY? because we can't sell our stadium, we have no money, and these SOFLA kids DON'T know loyalty. they all want to go elsewhere.

we're a mediocre program. I'm going to ACCEPT it. you should too

Definition of a loser. Will add you to the dictionary definition. Loser: see above.

notice you have no argument against what I'm saying???

No one wants to coach here, except butch Davis, schiano, cristobal, mike leech, and about 49 other current options. Miami has the money for the right option. I know it factually. Some kids go, but a lot stay, hence the current class's ranking. Every one of your arguments is wrong, You suck at life apparently.

 

[The Franchise]

Chise, it's funny, right before the kickoff of the bowl game last weekend, when the ESPN talking heads were talking about how Golden was going to be prime target for PSU. I was on Twitter stating how I wasn't worried( and I really wasn't), I believed he was committed to this program, but really this -- as you stated, for all it's challenges UM is a better job than his alma mater, you can't tell me any differently. If he wants to go to another program with more NCAA clouds hovering over it, well, then he's not as smart as I thought he was

But I sincerely believed something changed with the way L'Ville just blew them out. Maybe Im over-stating that loss but that's my gut feel. Regardless, I was still one of his remaining loyalists. But the way he has handled this, my slanted eyes have been opened and they don't like what they see

Again, to paraphrase Bo Schembechler: I want a Miami guy, coaching Miami.

I want to cut 'ties'( pun fully intended)

I firmly believe that lobbying for the PUS gig is actually a very smart move by Golden. But there's no turning back once you go all in, so you better be certain you're getting it before you decide to go dark on everyone for several days during the 11th hour of the recruiting cycle. It's a smart move because he's self-aware enough to know the walls are closing in on him here and that he won't succeed. He knows it, and he can feel the tide turning against him.

EVERYONE to a man hates his defense. Some are dumb enough to think getting rid of Duh will solve the deep problems. Others know that it's Golden's defense and that simply swapping out his DC won't fix anything. The problems with this team run much deeper than a historically ****** defense anyway.

This dude is a fraud, and, like any good con man, he knows the jig is up. So, it's the smart play (ONLY IF HE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO GET THE JOB) to court the PUS gig. He'll get $4M/year and be the hero coming home. He'll have at least another 5 years at $4M/year before they discover he's a big fat empty-headed fraud. Then, he's set for life at that point, and it doesn't really matter what happens with his career.

 

[tsimonitis]

D$,

Does he stay or go?

 

[CANE4LIFE]

This isn't Luxemberg. If you're at Miami, you are sitting on a nuclear ****nal every year. All it takes is a great coach to identify, acquire and utilize those weapons.

We're more like Israel. Relatively small country, but still a member of the exclusive nuclear power club.

That's a fair analogy, and I thought of that, but Israel is unquestionably superior in its region despite its size when it comes to the "arms race". Luxembourg is surrounded by first world powers with bigger resources than they have, which is why I chose that.

****, its that "nuclear" ****nal that is even keeping us in the game at this point. So I guess were like Luxembourg with Nukes. LOL

 

[DMoney]

D$,

Does he stay or go?

I haven't spoken to one person with access who thinks he's coming back. I can't imagine him coming back. But can't say for sure.

 

[NotoriousJJE]

Talking with a friend of mine today and he brought up a great point that hasn't been talked about much.

What if Golden took the job allready and has maintained radio silence to give UM a chance to identify court and name a replacement, so that the announcement could be done almost simultaneously?

Would be much more inline with the way Golden has behaved here for the past 3 years no?

 

[Hobokane]

I firmly believe that lobbying for the PUS gig is actually a very smart move by Golden. But there's no turning back once you go all in, so you better be certain you're getting it before you decide to go dark on everyone for several days during the 11th hour of the recruiting cycle. It's a smart move because he's self-aware enough to know the walls are closing in on him here and that he won't succeed. He knows it, and he can feel the tide turning against him.

EVERYONE to a man hates his defense. Some are dumb enough to think getting rid of Duh will solve the deep problems. Others know that it's Golden's defense and that simply swapping out his DC won't fix anything. The problems with this team run much deeper than a historically ****** defense anyway.

This dude is a fraud, and, like any good con man, he knows the jig is up. So, it's the smart play (ONLY IF HE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO GET THE JOB) to court the PUS gig. He'll get $4M/year and be the hero coming home. He'll have at least another 5 years at $4M/year before they discover he's a big fat empty-headed fraud. Then, he's set for life at that point, and it doesn't really matter what happens with his career.[/QUOTE]

THIS. Spot on.

 

[The Franchise]

D$ took a break to sharpen the spikes on the ends of his boots then stuck them right in Cane4Life's forehead. D$ making those trying to fight him look like Glass Joe in this thread. Dude's on his game.

 

[Miami82]

Chise, it's funny, right before the kickoff of the bowl game last weekend, when the ESPN talking heads were talking about how Golden was going to be prime target for PSU. I was on Twitter stating how I wasn't worried( and I really wasn't), I believed he was committed to this program, but really this -- as you stated, for all it's challenges UM is a better job than his alma mater, you can't tell me any differently. If he wants to go to another program with more NCAA clouds hovering over it, well, then he's not as smart as I thought he was

But I sincerely believed something changed with the way L'Ville just blew them out. Maybe Im over-stating that loss but that's my gut feel. Regardless, I was still one of his remaining loyalists. But the way he has handled this, my slanted eyes have been opened and they don't like what they see

Again, to paraphrase Bo Schembechler: I want a Miami guy, coaching Miami.

I want to cut 'ties'( pun fully intended)

I firmly believe that lobbying for the PUS gig is actually a very smart move by Golden. But there's no turning back once you go all in, so you better be certain you're getting it before you decide to go dark on everyone for several days during the 11th hour of the recruiting cycle. It's a smart move because he's self-aware enough to know the walls are closing in on him here and that he won't succeed. He knows it, and he can feel the tide turning against him.

EVERYONE to a man hates his defense. Some are dumb enough to think getting rid of Duh will solve the deep problems. Others know that it's Golden's defense and that simply swapping out his DC won't fix anything. The problems with this team run much deeper than a historically ****** defense anyway.

This dude is a fraud, and, like any good con man, he knows the jig is up. So, it's the smart play (ONLY IF HE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO GET THE JOB) to court the PUS gig. He'll get $4M/year and be the hero coming home. He'll have at least another 5 years at $4M/year before they discover he's a big fat empty-headed fraud. Then, he's set for life at that point, and it doesn't really matter what happens with his career.

Exactly what I was going to post to K9_scheme. The bowl loss was the tipping point.

 

[k9cane]

Chise, it's funny, right before the kickoff of the bowl game last weekend, when the ESPN talking heads were talking about how Golden was going to be prime target for PSU. I was on Twitter stating how I wasn't worried( and I really wasn't), I believed he was committed to this program, but really this -- as you stated, for all it's challenges UM is a better job than his alma mater, you can't tell me any differently. If he wants to go to another program with more NCAA clouds hovering over it, well, then he's not as smart as I thought he was

But I sincerely believed something changed with the way L'Ville just blew them out. Maybe Im over-stating that loss but that's my gut feel. Regardless, I was still one of his remaining loyalists. But the way he has handled this, my slanted eyes have been opened and they don't like what they see

Again, to paraphrase Bo Schembechler: I want a Miami guy, coaching Miami.

I want to cut 'ties'( pun fully intended)

I firmly believe that lobbying for the PUS gig is actually a very smart move by Golden. But there's no turning back once you go all in, so you better be certain you're getting it before you decide to go dark on everyone for several days during the 11th hour of the recruiting cycle. It's a smart move because he's self-aware enough to know the walls are closing in on him here and that he won't succeed. He knows it, and he can feel the tide turning against him.

EVERYONE to a man hates his defense. Some are dumb enough to think getting rid of Duh will solve the deep problems. Others know that it's Golden's defense and that simply swapping out his DC won't fix anything. The problems with this team run much deeper than a historically ****** defense anyway.

This dude is a fraud, and, like any good con man, he knows the jig is up. So, it's the smart play (ONLY IF HE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO GET THE JOB) to court the PUS gig. He'll get $4M/year and be the hero coming home. He'll have at least another 5 years at $4M/year before they discover he's a big fat empty-headed fraud. Then, he's set for life at that point, and it doesn't really matter what happens with his career.

Exactly what I was going to post to K9_scheme. The bowl loss was the tipping point.

No, you're weren't, you're not nearly intelligent enough...

 

[Miami82]

Chise, it's funny, right before the kickoff of the bowl game last weekend, when the ESPN talking heads were talking about how Golden was going to be prime target for PSU. I was on Twitter stating how I wasn't worried( and I really wasn't), I believed he was committed to this program, but really this -- as you stated, for all it's challenges UM is a better job than his alma mater, you can't tell me any differently. If he wants to go to another program with more NCAA clouds hovering over it, well, then he's not as smart as I thought he was

But I sincerely believed something changed with the way L'Ville just blew them out. Maybe Im over-stating that loss but that's my gut feel. Regardless, I was still one of his remaining loyalists. But the way he has handled this, my slanted eyes have been opened and they don't like what they see

Again, to paraphrase Bo Schembechler: I want a Miami guy, coaching Miami.

I want to cut 'ties'( pun fully intended)

I firmly believe that lobbying for the PUS gig is actually a very smart move by Golden. But there's no turning back once you go all in, so you better be certain you're getting it before you decide to go dark on everyone for several days during the 11th hour of the recruiting cycle. It's a smart move because he's self-aware enough to know the walls are closing in on him here and that he won't succeed. He knows it, and he can feel the tide turning against him.

EVERYONE to a man hates his defense. Some are dumb enough to think getting rid of Duh will solve the deep problems. Others know that it's Golden's defense and that simply swapping out his DC won't fix anything. The problems with this team run much deeper than a historically ****** defense anyway.

This dude is a fraud, and, like any good con man, he knows the jig is up. So, it's the smart play (ONLY IF HE KNOWS HE'S GOING TO GET THE JOB) to court the PUS gig. He'll get $4M/year and be the hero coming home. He'll have at least another 5 years at $4M/year before they discover he's a big fat empty-headed fraud. Then, he's set for life at that point, and it doesn't really matter what happens with his career.

Exactly what I was going to post to K9_scheme. The bowl loss was the tipping point.

No, you're weren't, you're not nearly intelligent enough...

LOL, go back to slurping Golden, oh hold on, you got the memo he is a fraud like you.

 

[canes4lifepcola]

I've seen a lot of posts about "Olive Garden" as potential replacement should Al go. Who is Olive Garden? Forgive me but I haven't been on here in 6 mos or more.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

I've seen a lot of posts about "Olive Garden" as potential replacement should Al go. Who is Olive Garden? Forgive me but I haven't been on here in 6 mos or more.

Bobby Petrino is Olive Garden

fake italian

 

[Miami82]

I've seen a lot of posts about "Olive Garden" as potential replacement should Al go. Who is Olive Garden? Forgive me but I haven't been on here in 6 mos or more.

Petrino