The Miami Job

Please forgive my ignorance but who is Olive Garden in reference to?

Randy Shannon

Thank You my good sir


Asylum,
Pay no attention to the euro-brotha... (:p @ Dutchie)


Olve Garden is in reference to Bobby Petrino. As Franchised coined, he is "as Italian as Olive Garden."

Well Thank You my Good Sir

The horses head will be placed in Dutchie's bed later lol
 
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Al is dead to me. If he doesn't take the job at this point, he'll wish he had.

If PUS comes to it's senses and ultimately wins up rejecting BFA's advances, he's going to rue the day he started all this. I'm way too invested in him being gone at this point. No turning back for me. I'm as all in on him leaving as he is.

This is not going to end well.
This thing about Munchak getting fired today, out of the blue, happened for a reason.
It sounds to me like he wants that PSU job, and Tennessee (who probably wants to go
in a different direction anyways), did him a favor and fired him.
oh boy.

After this whole episode, I don't see how Golden can come back to UM. Everything he says will be hollow and meaningless. He has completely alienated this fan-base.

Go

Leave

Get outta here

Don't look back....

It's really that simple. I think we're all ready to move on, here...
 
D$, I respect you and your views temendously broseph, and usually agree with you on most things, but I have to disagree with you here.

I dont think we as hardcore fans view this situation objectively. But if you take a step back, and look at the big picture, especially within the context of the current College Football paradigm, this is not a great job.

That is NOT to say its a BAD job. I think this job is somewhat unique overall, and it could be a great opportunity for the RIGHT coach, but overall, I dont think most coaches would view this as a "great" job.

For starters, the obvious. This job comes with a TON of pressure, and does NOT pay all that well. Coaches are expected to win, and early at Miami, but the pay is more commensurate with that of mid level type program such as Wake Forest or Purdue.

Its true that it is a high profile program that gets you good exposure and it is in a very talent rich area, BUT... the talent rich area is often as much a curse as it is a blessing. The school's admission standards often are at radical odds with the terrible academic standards of South Florida schools. Also, many of these great South Florida players, come from poor socio economic backgrounds, making the "pay for play" situation much more of a problem in South Florida, and that puts UM at somewhat at a disadvantage as being a smaller private University, it does not have the resources to really play that game head to head with the big $ programs.

Being a small private University, also has its disadvantages too from the "big time College Football" environment. The school does not have its own stadium, instead playing in a rather dull, sterile and cavernous pro stadium far away from Campus. Due to the smaller and international nature of the University, it has a smaller alumni base than its rivals, and a very small alumni base even within South Florida, making community support of the program, including attending games, a dicey situation.

Because UM is located in a big city, and because its an expensive, small, private University, most of the local media is not really tied or owes any allegiance to the school. In fact, many of the most prominent members of the local sports media, are alumni of the UMs bigger rivals, meaning the program gets a LOT of scrutiny, but little help from the Sports Media.

Despite all this, the program has very high expectations. The fanbase will scarcely give a coach more than about 3 years before the heat gets turned up significantly. And the local sports media is also will do you no favors either.

Bottom line, UM's HC is a HIGH risk, HIGH reward job, but it doesnt really pay all that well. It also has a host of unique complications which many other coaches dont have to deal with at other programs.

In the "arms race" that is big time college football, UM is like Luxembourg trying to compete with France, Germany, Italy, Russia, the US and China. There is NO other program like UM left competing at this level. If you drill down into comparable schools, UM should be more on par with the likes of Duke, Rice, Tulane, and yet somehow it is still competing with the FSUs, OSUs, LSUs of the world. Its an uphill battle.

Real Talk, WE as hardcore fans love to think that this is the greatest gig in the world. But for many other coaches looking to advance their careers, its a BIG gamble, with big risks, for not as much money as many other places pay. Sure it has a lot of exposure, and it can have a big payoff too. But we need to stop kidding ourselves. The big name coaches and hot shots are not banging down the doors to coach here. Its a place for young up and coming coaches who want to make a name for themselves and move on to bigger and better things, and that is what they have done. That's why despite all the success, none of these guys have ever stayed here.
 
Al is dead to me. If he doesn't take the job at this point, he'll wish he had.

If PUS comes to it's senses and ultimately wins up rejecting BFA's advances, he's going to rue the day he started all this. I'm way too invested in him being gone at this point. No turning back for me. I'm as all in on him leaving as he is.

This is not going to end well.
This thing about Munchak getting fired today, out of the blue, happened for a reason.
It sounds to me like he wants that PSU job, and Tennessee (who probably wants to go
in a different direction anyways), did him a favor and fired him.
oh boy.

Carlos, I'm on pins and needles waiting for an official announcement because until it's official it can always get fcked up. Munchc0ck might want the gig, but I'm hopeful that Al Tin's college experience will win it for him. I'm all in on this, and, honestly, I don't know how I'm going to react if BFA comes back. It's going to get really nasty and hostile toward that guy.
 
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Al is dead to me. If he doesn't take the job at this point, he'll wish he had.

If PUS comes to it's senses and ultimately wins up rejecting BFA's advances, he's going to rue the day he started all this. I'm way too invested in him being gone at this point. No turning back for me. I'm as all in on him leaving as he is.

This is not going to end well.
This thing about Munchak getting fired today, out of the blue, happened for a reason.
It sounds to me like he wants that PSU job, and Tennessee (who probably wants to go
in a different direction anyways), did him a favor and fired him.
oh boy.

After this whole episode, I don't see how Golden can come back to UM. Everything he says will be hollow and meaningless. He has completely alienated this fan-base.

Go

Leave

Get outta here

Don't look back....

It's really that simple. I think we're all ready to move on, here...

If he doesnt get it, I agree with you. But what if he turns it down? I think he can spin that to his advantage. Its all very bizarre how this has played out. Usually we would hear something in one direction or another by now. The silence is bizarre. If he's gone all in after the job, and doesnt get it, I agree with you, his credibility here is shot to sh*t. BUT, if they offered it to him and he's taken a few days to decide, and ends up rejecting it, I think he can spin it big time to his advantage. I think he's gone though. Just odd as to what the hold up is.
 
The UM gig is certainly not as attractive as it once was... unfortunately. You cannot deny the lack of stadium, facilities and $s for coaching staff is having an impact on this team. The attraction is the history, the talent base, the weather, the private school and the city. Golden honed in on it and sold it well. But someone like a Charlie Strong who is at Louisville, will never view this job as his next stepping stone. Not enough loot and support.

The right hire is a value based hire. A guy that is undervalued right now, but a great teacher, works hard, organizer and talent evaluator. Butch, Petrino, O'Leary, Schiano all are guys that would look very positively at the opportunity here.
 
Susan Miller Degnan ‏@smillerdegnan

Butch Davis reply: “I've said a multitude of times that I regret having left the University of Miami and if there were every an opportunity I would certainly love to be considered as a candidate for the coaching position.’’


Man I would be so damned happy for that....gee whiz
 
Al is dead to me. If he doesn't take the job at this point, he'll wish he had.

If PUS comes to it's senses and ultimately wins up rejecting BFA's advances, he's going to rue the day he started all this. I'm way too invested in him being gone at this point. No turning back for me. I'm as all in on him leaving as he is.

This is not going to end well.
This thing about Munchak getting fired today, out of the blue, happened for a reason.
It sounds to me like he wants that PSU job, and Tennessee (who probably wants to go
in a different direction anyways), did him a favor and fired him.
oh boy.

Carlos, I'm on pins and needles waiting for an official announcement because until it's official it can always get fcked up. Munchc0ck might want the gig, but I'm hopeful that Al Tin's college experience will win it for him. I'm all in on this, and, honestly, I don't know how I'm going to react if BFA comes back. It's going to get really nasty and hostile toward that guy.

Chise, he'll be looked up on as one of those old televangilists who got caught getting a hummer in a hotel room by a tranny prostitute to the Miami congregation. At this point, he's just better off packing up and going to Happy Valley. He's lost the fan-base completely with the last 72 or so hours
 
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miami

no place better to be when things are going our way . maybe no place worse when it's not . not really a place for the choir boy types the pres wants. to thrive in .
 
Al could have ended all this after 1 call with them, and 1 DC gone, instead we are all in on him leaving (me included). Could have said I heard there offer and declined( much like mora and briles did) but no! We got multiple twitterers, Ferman, some wierd penn state writers all saying "done deal" so we have to move on. Like a poster said earlier " it's like you girlfriend trying as hard as she can to fack the guy across the bar, and when he declines, comes walking back to you"
 
Al could have ended all this after 1 call with them, and 1 DC gone, instead we are all in on him leaving (me included). Could have said I heard there offer and declined( much like mora and briles did) but no! We got multiple twitterers, Ferman, some wierd penn state writers all saying "done deal" so we have to move on. Like a poster said earlier " it's like you girlfriend trying as hard as she can to fack the guy across the bar, and when he declines, comes walking back to you"

True
 
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Susan Miller Degnan ‏@smillerdegnan

Butch Davis reply: “I've said a multitude of times that I regret having left the University of Miami and if there were every an opportunity I would certainly love to be considered as a candidate for the coaching position.’’


Man I would be so damned happy for that....gee whiz

COT **** when is that from? Dude is BEGGING to be let back in. Wonder if there is anyway his mea culpa on his knees begging may soften some positions in the Administration. I cant even go down that path. Never going to happen. Just going to lead to a lot of heartache.
 
Susan Miller Degnan ‏@smillerdegnan

Butch Davis reply: “I've said a multitude of times that I regret having left the University of Miami and if there were every an opportunity I would certainly love to be considered as a candidate for the coaching position.’’


Man I would be so damned happy for that....gee whiz

COT **** when is that from? Dude is BEGGING to be let back in. Wonder if there is anyway his mea culpa on his knees begging may soften some positions in the Administration. I cant even go down that path. Never going to happen. Just going to lead to a lot of heartache.
today
 
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Susan Miller Degnan ‏@smillerdegnan

Butch Davis reply: “I've said a multitude of times that I regret having left the University of Miami and if there were every an opportunity I would certainly love to be considered as a candidate for the coaching position.’’


Man I would be so damned happy for that....gee whiz

COT **** when is that from? Dude is BEGGING to be let back in. Wonder if there is anyway his mea culpa on his knees begging may soften some positions in the Administration. I cant even go down that path. Never going to happen. Just going to lead to a lot of heartache.

A couple of hours ago.
 
Are you guys seriously seriously setting yourselves up for heartbreak? We aren't getting Butch or Olive Garden, not because they aren't good coaches (they are and they **** on Tin Al every day), but because the administration would never consider it. When in the last ten years have we ever made the risky and forward thinking hire? And based on what exactly are we to believe that the University has changed its thinking and will make the necessary hire for the football team?

Instead set yourselves for "outstanding" guys like:
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Or for ***** sake, the popular in-house hire:
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:ohlord:

Are these guys qualified for The U? **** no! Butch or Petrino would have us in the NC within two years, but we've been collectively ****ed too many times for us to expect otherwise.
 
D$, I respect you and your views temendously broseph, and usually agree with you on most things, but I have to disagree with you here.

I dont think we as hardcore fans view this situation objectively. But if you take a step back, and look at the big picture, especially within the context of the current College Football paradigm, this is not a great job.

That is NOT to say its a BAD job. I think this job is somewhat unique overall, and it could be a great opportunity for the RIGHT coach, but overall, I dont think most coaches would view this as a "great" job.

For starters, the obvious. This job comes with a TON of pressure, and does NOT pay all that well. Coaches are expected to win, and early at Miami, but the pay is more commensurate with that of mid level type program such as Wake Forest or Purdue.

Its true that it is a high profile program that gets you good exposure and it is in a very talent rich area, BUT... the talent rich area is often as much a curse as it is a blessing. The school's admission standards often are at radical odds with the terrible academic standards of South Florida schools. Also, many of these great South Florida players, come from poor socio economic backgrounds, making the "pay for play" situation much more of a problem in South Florida, and that puts UM at somewhat at a disadvantage as being a smaller private University, it does not have the resources to really play that game head to head with the big $ programs.

Being a small private University, also has its disadvantages too from the "big time College Football" environment. The school does not have its own stadium, instead playing in a rather dull, sterile and cavernous pro stadium far away from Campus. Due to the smaller and international nature of the University, it has a smaller alumni base than its rivals, and a very small alumni base even within South Florida, making community support of the program, including attending games, a dicey situation.

Because UM is located in a big city, and because its an expensive, small, private University, most of the local media is not really tied or owes any allegiance to the school. In fact, many of the most prominent members of the local sports media, are alumni of the UMs bigger rivals, meaning the program gets a LOT of scrutiny, but little help from the Sports Media.

Despite all this, the program has very high expectations. The fanbase will scarcely give a coach more than about 3 years before the heat gets turned up significantly. And the local sports media is also will do you no favors either.

Bottom line, UM's HC is a HIGH risk, HIGH reward job, but it doesnt really pay all that well. It also has a host of unique complications which many other coaches dont have to deal with at other programs.

In the "arms race" that is big time college football, UM is like Luxembourg trying to compete with France, Germany, Italy, Russia, the US and China. There is NO other program like UM left competing at this level. If you drill down into comparable schools, UM should be more on par with the likes of Duke, Rice, Tulane, and yet somehow it is still competing with the FSUs, OSUs, LSUs of the world. Its an uphill battle.

Real Talk, WE as hardcore fans love to think that this is the greatest gig in the world. But for many other coaches looking to advance their careers, its a BIG gamble, with big risks, for not as much money as many other places pay. Sure it has a lot of exposure, and it can have a big payoff too. But we need to stop kidding ourselves. The big name coaches and hot shots are not banging down the doors to coach here. Its a place for young up and coming coaches who want to make a name for themselves and move on to bigger and better things, and that is what they have done. That's why despite all the success, none of these guys have ever stayed here.

You listed every possible negative you could think of, and none of the positives.

You even found a way to some how argue that our great talent base in south florida isn't actually even an asset. You are the very definition of an asshat.

The only thing that needs to be said about the Miami job is.....NFL. For any coach who ever wants to coach in the NFL. The Miami job is the perfect way to get there. And that's really all that matters and why this job will always be attractive to top coaches. From Schnelly, to Jimmy, to Erickson, to Butch....you win here and you're primed for an NFL job. If you think that isn't a factor to coaches you're a bigger idiot than i thought. (and I already think you're a huge one)
 
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