The Miami Job

[FullyERicht]

If AG leaves not only will it be different from Coker/Shannon in that we don't owe any money, but we actually GET money.

The irony about your porst is that Cristobal/Johnson/Morris/Franklin ARE the risky hires. Butch Schiano and Petrino are the SAFE hires. They are proven coaches that you can be certain will at worst get your program to be highly competitive and you won't need to fire them after 3 seasons and thus be paying 2 coaches at once.

This U hasn't figured out that the financially "safe" hire has CONSISTENTLY ended up costing them, when if they hired a proven coach for more up front, they'd have stability, a better product/happier/spending fans, AND get paid if that coach leaves on his own.

 

[FullyERicht]

Another misconception: "Miami is a stepping stone"....

Okie State was the stepping stone for JJ, after he was apart of a dynasty as DC. Miami was his coming out party.
Butch and Schnelly already were IN the NFL and have rings as coordinators.

None of our best coaches were Al Golden/James Franklin/Chad Morris type hires. People really need to re-evaluate just how talented our best coaches were.

 

[TommyCanes]

If AG leaves not only will it be different from Coker/Shannon in that we don't owe any money, but we actually GET money.

The irony about your post is that Cristobal/Johnson are the risky hires. Butch Schiano and Petrino are the safe hires They are proven coaches that you can be certain will at worst get your program to be highly competitive and you won't need to fire them after 3 seasons and thus be paying 2 coaches at once.

This U hasn't figured out that the financially "safe" hire has CONSISTENTLY ended up costing them, when if they hired a proven coach for more up front, they'd have stability, a better product/happier/spending fans, AND get paid if that coach leaves on his own.

**** it, I hope your right - I just don't see us hiring any of those three - call it pessimistic realism if you will. If we get Petrino, Butch or Schiano - we're officially back, but I don't see the Admin learning from their mistakes.

 

[gacericardo]

Dammit mane you losing me Al

 

[UMJay]

If AG leaves not only will it be different from Coker/Shannon in that we don't owe any money, but we actually GET money.

The irony about your post is that Cristobal/Johnson are the risky hires. Butch Schiano and Petrino are the safe hires They are proven coaches that you can be certain will at worst get your program to be highly competitive and you won't need to fire them after 3 seasons and thus be paying 2 coaches at once.

This U hasn't figured out that the financially "safe" hire has CONSISTENTLY ended up costing them, when if they hired a proven coach for more up front, they'd have stability, a better product/happier/spending fans, AND get paid if that coach leaves on his own.

**** it, I hope your right - I just don't see us hiring any of those three - call it pessimistic realism if you will. If we get Petrino, Butch or Schiano - we're officially back, but I don't see the Admin learning from their mistakes.

Does anyone have any idea how much money we'd get out of this?

 

[stormbrewing]

Al dipped on everyone, he is making it appear as tho he hasn't with Blake but I hope Blake isn't that gullible.

 

[jw410]

bomb,
All these guys are slimy. THat's a key component to winning at the elite levels.

SabaN
Petrino
Miles
Brian kelly
Bob stoops
Oscar Meyer

All of them are slimballs

 

[stormbrewing]

If he hasn't left the program he has at least created a FUBAR situation with the fans.

 

[The Franchise]

Al is dead to me. If he doesn't take the job at this point, he'll wish he had.

If PUS comes to it's senses and ultimately wins up rejecting BFA's advances, he's going to rue the day he started all this. I'm way too invested in him being gone at this point. No turning back for me. I'm as all in on him leaving as he is.

This is not going to end well.
This thing about Munchak getting fired today, out of the blue, happened for a reason.
It sounds to me like he wants that PSU job, and Tennessee (who probably wants to go
in a different direction anyways), did him a favor and fired him.
oh boy.

Carlos, I'm on pins and needles waiting for an official announcement because until it's official it can always get fcked up. Munchc0ck might want the gig, but I'm hopeful that Al Tin's college experience will win it for him. I'm all in on this, and, honestly, I don't know how I'm going to react if BFA comes back. It's going to get really nasty and hostile toward that guy.

Chise, he'll be looked up on as one of those old televangilists who got caught getting a hummer in a hotel room by a tranny prostitute to the Miami congregation. At this point, he's just better off packing up and going to Happy Valley. He's lost the fan-base completely with the last 72 or so hours

Steve, there's no question he'd take the gig if offered. The only question remaining is whether or not it's been offered. He openly campaigned and lobbied for the PUS job, so it's not a matter of him deciding what to do; it's a matter of PUS deciding if they want him.

And, I'll tell you, old friend, if they go in another direction, and that fat fck comes waddling back to as if nothing happened it's gonna get really ugly. Holy ****, this would be a total disaster for UM football at this point if he winds up coming back here because everyone will be gunning for him.

 

[The Franchise]

You want some facts?

Yes. I would. Your post didn't have any. Mine did.

This job is better than it was in 1999, and that's a fact.

That's an opinion...not a fact. I didn't claim to post any facts. You did, and failed.

This sebatian guy sucks

Might be the most inflamed ****** on here.

 

[k9cane]

If PUS comes to it's senses and ultimately wins up rejecting BFA's advances, he's going to rue the day he started all this. I'm way too invested in him being gone at this point. No turning back for me. I'm as all in on him leaving as he is.

This is not going to end well.
This thing about Munchak getting fired today, out of the blue, happened for a reason.
It sounds to me like he wants that PSU job, and Tennessee (who probably wants to go
in a different direction anyways), did him a favor and fired him.
oh boy.

Carlos, I'm on pins and needles waiting for an official announcement because until it's official it can always get fcked up. Munchc0ck might want the gig, but I'm hopeful that Al Tin's college experience will win it for him. I'm all in on this, and, honestly, I don't know how I'm going to react if BFA comes back. It's going to get really nasty and hostile toward that guy.

Chise, he'll be looked up on as one of those old televangilists who got caught getting a hummer in a hotel room by a tranny prostitute to the Miami congregation. At this point, he's just better off packing up and going to Happy Valley. He's lost the fan-base completely with the last 72 or so hours

Steve, there's no question he'd take the gig if offered. The only question remaining is whether or not it's been offered. He openly campaigned and lobbied for the PUS job, so it's not a matter of him deciding what to do; it's a matter of PUS deciding if they want him.

And, I'll tell you, old friend, if they go in another direction, and that fat fck comes waddling back to as if nothing happened it's gonna get really ugly. Holy ****, this would be a total disaster for UM football at this point if he winds up coming back here because everyone will be gunning for him.

Chise, I really think he'd be more disliked than Coker was during his last year or two( because at least that incompetent buffoon was not openly courting other jobs, he just sucked like a Hoover at his job) and the only way he could salvage the fan-base was to go undefeated next season-- and quite frankly that aint happening -- I mean, I was as big a Golden Guy as anyone, and when you lose me, well, you've lost everybody

I get it, you want to go home, again. Fine, as Diana Ross once sang, 'set me free, why don't you, babe?' Im good with it, just make it quick so we can get on with our lives and start a new chapter. I can't lie, I still appreciate the job he did the last three seasons for us, warts and all, but this here, nah, now you're starting to really mess with our present and future. That's when you're becoming a complete phony and need to have Sandman Sims take you off the stage.

My hope is that by the end of this weekend, that Golden is cleaning out his offices at the Schwartz Center( or is it still the Hecht?) and we are in active pursuit of the next man to lead this great program....

 

[sebastian91]

You want some facts?

Yes. I would. Your post didn't have any. Mine did.

This job is better than it was in 1999, and that's a fact.

That's an opinion...not a fact. I didn't claim to post any facts. You did, and failed.

This sebatian guy sucks

Might be the most inflamed ****** on here.

LOL. Funny coming from you of all people.

 

[TheOGCane]

our job is CRAP. this isn't the 80s anymore. this isn't even 2001 anymore. no one wants to coach here. happens every few cycles. WHY? because we can't sell our stadium, we have no money, and these SOFLA kids DON'T know loyalty. they all want to go elsewhere.

we're a mediocre program. I'm going to ACCEPT it. you should too

 

[jw410]

Golden is now 0-9 vs teams in ranked in the Final AP Poll. The average score in the 9 games is 40-20. Not ONE Win and only 1 was even close.

2011 - Lost to KSU
2011 - Lost to FSU
2011 - Lost to Virginia Tech
2012 - Lost to FSU
2012 - Lost to KSU
2012 - Lost to Notre Dame
2013 - Lost to FSU
2013 - Lost to Duke
2013 - Lost to Louisville

says it all ...

Totally agree

 

[The Franchise]

This is not going to end well.
This thing about Munchak getting fired today, out of the blue, happened for a reason.
It sounds to me like he wants that PSU job, and Tennessee (who probably wants to go
in a different direction anyways), did him a favor and fired him.
oh boy.

Carlos, I'm on pins and needles waiting for an official announcement because until it's official it can always get fcked up. Munchc0ck might want the gig, but I'm hopeful that Al Tin's college experience will win it for him. I'm all in on this, and, honestly, I don't know how I'm going to react if BFA comes back. It's going to get really nasty and hostile toward that guy.

Chise, he'll be looked up on as one of those old televangilists who got caught getting a hummer in a hotel room by a tranny prostitute to the Miami congregation. At this point, he's just better off packing up and going to Happy Valley. He's lost the fan-base completely with the last 72 or so hours

Steve, there's no question he'd take the gig if offered. The only question remaining is whether or not it's been offered. He openly campaigned and lobbied for the PUS job, so it's not a matter of him deciding what to do; it's a matter of PUS deciding if they want him.

And, I'll tell you, old friend, if they go in another direction, and that fat fck comes waddling back to as if nothing happened it's gonna get really ugly. Holy ****, this would be a total disaster for UM football at this point if he winds up coming back here because everyone will be gunning for him.

Chise, I really think he's be more disliked than Coker was during his last year or two( because at least that incompetent buffoon was openly courting other jobs, he just sucked like a Hoover at his job) and the only way he could salvage the fan-base was to go undefeated next season-- and quite frankly that aint happening -- I mean, I was as big a Golden Guy as anyone, and when you lose me, well, you've lost everybody

I get it, you want to go home, again. Fine, as Diana Ross once sang, 'set me free, why don't you, babe?' Im good with it, just make it quick so we can get on with our lives and start a new chapter. I can't lie, I still appreciate the job he did the last three seasons for us, warts and all, but this here, nah, now you're starting to really mess with our present and future. That's when you're becoming a complete phony and need to have Sandman Sims take you off the stage.

My hope is that by the end of this weekend, that Golden is cleaning out his offices at the Schwartz Center( or is it still the Hecht?) and we are in active pursuit of the next man to lead this great program....

He'll be a marked man. It won't be a Shannon/Coker situation because those guys just stunk. This BFA character sucks too, AND he's a filthy liar traitor on top of it.

Once you go all in like he did, there's no turning back. If you're going to campaign for another gig while you have one, then you better be **** sure you're going to get it. This ain't Temple or Ball State where the fans expect you to interview with other schools and to eventually move on. This is UM, and the real UM fans know this is a way better gig than the PUS gig.

 

[tsimonitis]

Carlos, I'm on pins and needles waiting for an official announcement because until it's official it can always get fcked up. Munchc0ck might want the gig, but I'm hopeful that Al Tin's college experience will win it for him. I'm all in on this, and, honestly, I don't know how I'm going to react if BFA comes back. It's going to get really nasty and hostile toward that guy.

Chise, he'll be looked up on as one of those old televangilists who got caught getting a hummer in a hotel room by a tranny prostitute to the Miami congregation. At this point, he's just better off packing up and going to Happy Valley. He's lost the fan-base completely with the last 72 or so hours

Steve, there's no question he'd take the gig if offered. The only question remaining is whether or not it's been offered. He openly campaigned and lobbied for the PUS job, so it's not a matter of him deciding what to do; it's a matter of PUS deciding if they want him.

And, I'll tell you, old friend, if they go in another direction, and that fat fck comes waddling back to as if nothing happened it's gonna get really ugly. Holy ****, this would be a total disaster for UM football at this point if he winds up coming back here because everyone will be gunning for him.

Chise, I really think he's be more disliked than Coker was during his last year or two( because at least that incompetent buffoon was openly courting other jobs, he just sucked like a Hoover at his job) and the only way he could salvage the fan-base was to go undefeated next season-- and quite frankly that aint happening -- I mean, I was as big a Golden Guy as anyone, and when you lose me, well, you've lost everybody

I get it, you want to go home, again. Fine, as Diana Ross once sang, 'set me free, why don't you, babe?' Im good with it, just make it quick so we can get on with our lives and start a new chapter. I can't lie, I still appreciate the job he did the last three seasons for us, warts and all, but this here, nah, now you're starting to really mess with our present and future. That's when you're becoming a complete phony and need to have Sandman Sims take you off the stage.

My hope is that by the end of this weekend, that Golden is cleaning out his offices at the Schwartz Center( or is it still the Hecht?) and we are in active pursuit of the next man to lead this great program....

He'll be a marked man. It won't be a Shannon/Coker situation because those guys just stunk. This BFA character sucks too, AND he's a filthy liar traitor on top of it.

Once you go all in like he did, there's no turning back. If you're going to campaign for another gig while you have one, then you better be **** sure you're going to get it. This ain't Temple or Ball State where the fans expect you to interview with other schools and to eventually move on. This is UM, and the real UM fans know this is a way better gig than the PUS gig.

Even if he tries to come back UM should tell him to beat it.

 

[DMoney]

For starters, the obvious. This job comes with a TON of pressure, and does NOT pay all that well. Coaches are expected to win, and early at Miami, but the pay is more commensurate with that of mid level type program such as Wake Forest or Purdue.

When Coker was here, he was one of the highest paid coaches in college football. Win and you will be compensated. Coaching at Miami is the easiest way to drive up your price tag. Al Golden is the latest example.

Its true that it is a high profile program that gets you good exposure and it is in a very talent rich area, BUT... the talent rich area is often as much a curse as it is a blessing. The school's admission standards often are at radical odds with the terrible academic standards of South Florida schools. Also, many of these great South Florida players, come from poor socio economic backgrounds, making the "pay for play" situation much more of a problem in South Florida, and that puts UM at somewhat at a disadvantage as being a smaller private University, it does not have the resources to really play that game head to head with the big $ programs.

The talent is never a curse. For every player that wants money, there are three stud players dying to come to the U. We have been getting beat by kids we didn't want. Louisville is the latest example, but certainly not the first. I just watched TY Hilton go for 224 yards in the playoffs. We didn't want him.

Being a small private University, also has its disadvantages too from the "big time College Football" environment. The school does not have its own stadium, instead playing in a rather dull, sterile and cavernous pro stadium far away from Campus. Due to the smaller and international nature of the University, it has a smaller alumni base than its rivals, and a very small alumni base even within South Florida, making community support of the program, including attending games, a dicey situation.

Our attendance sucks. But we set home-winning streaks with crappy attendance.

Because UM is located in a big city, and because its an expensive, small, private University, most of the local media is not really tied or owes any allegiance to the school. In fact, many of the most prominent members of the local sports media, are alumni of the UMs bigger rivals, meaning the program gets a LOT of scrutiny, but little help from the Sports Media.

This is actually one of the least scrutinized jobs in major college football. South Florida fans have to worry about LeBron, the Dolphins and two other professional franchises. In a college town, the football program is the only thing that matters. Talk radio, print media, it's all dedicated to one team. That is scrutiny.

In the "arms race" that is big time college football, UM is like Luxembourg trying to compete with France, Germany, Italy, Russia, the US and China. There is NO other program like UM left competing at this level. If you drill down into comparable schools, UM should be more on par with the likes of Duke, Rice, Tulane, and yet somehow it is still competing with the FSUs, OSUs, LSUs of the world. Its an uphill battle.

A little perspective: Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden are two of the greatest college football coaches of all-time. They coached for 84 years between them. They won four total championships. In the span of 18 years, four different Miami coaches combined for five championships.

This isn't Luxemberg. If you're at Miami, you are sitting on a nuclear ****nal every year. All it takes is a great coach to identify, acquire and utilize those weapons.

Real Talk, WE as hardcore fans love to think that this is the greatest gig in the world. But for many other coaches looking to advance their careers, its a BIG gamble, with big risks, for not as much money as many other places pay.

I don't see the risk. Four guys won titles. Butch became an NFL coach. Golden got the offer he wanted. Shannon is the only guy that killed his career, and that was his own fault. That's an 85% success rate for any coach who takes this job.

If you believe in your ability as a coach, all you need is players. This job has the players. That's why it's a great job.

 

[k9cane]

Carlos, I'm on pins and needles waiting for an official announcement because until it's official it can always get fcked up. Munchc0ck might want the gig, but I'm hopeful that Al Tin's college experience will win it for him. I'm all in on this, and, honestly, I don't know how I'm going to react if BFA comes back. It's going to get really nasty and hostile toward that guy.

Chise, he'll be looked up on as one of those old televangilists who got caught getting a hummer in a hotel room by a tranny prostitute to the Miami congregation. At this point, he's just better off packing up and going to Happy Valley. He's lost the fan-base completely with the last 72 or so hours

Steve, there's no question he'd take the gig if offered. The only question remaining is whether or not it's been offered. He openly campaigned and lobbied for the PUS job, so it's not a matter of him deciding what to do; it's a matter of PUS deciding if they want him.

And, I'll tell you, old friend, if they go in another direction, and that fat fck comes waddling back to as if nothing happened it's gonna get really ugly. Holy ****, this would be a total disaster for UM football at this point if he winds up coming back here because everyone will be gunning for him.

Chise, I really think he's be more disliked than Coker was during his last year or two( because at least that incompetent buffoon was openly courting other jobs, he just sucked like a Hoover at his job) and the only way he could salvage the fan-base was to go undefeated next season-- and quite frankly that aint happening -- I mean, I was as big a Golden Guy as anyone, and when you lose me, well, you've lost everybody

I get it, you want to go home, again. Fine, as Diana Ross once sang, 'set me free, why don't you, babe?' Im good with it, just make it quick so we can get on with our lives and start a new chapter. I can't lie, I still appreciate the job he did the last three seasons for us, warts and all, but this here, nah, now you're starting to really mess with our present and future. That's when you're becoming a complete phony and need to have Sandman Sims take you off the stage.

My hope is that by the end of this weekend, that Golden is cleaning out his offices at the Schwartz Center( or is it still the Hecht?) and we are in active pursuit of the next man to lead this great program....

He'll be a marked man. It won't be a Shannon/Coker situation because those guys just stunk. This BFA character sucks too, AND he's a filthy liar traitor on top of it.

Once you go all in like he did, there's no turning back. If you're going to campaign for another gig while you have one, then you better be **** sure you're going to get it. This ain't Temple or Ball State where the fans expect you to interview with other schools and to eventually move on. This is UM, and the real UM fans know this is a way better gig than the PUS gig.

Chise, it's funny, right before the kickoff of the bowl game last weekend, when the ESPN talking heads were talking about how Golden was going to be prime target for PSU. I was on Twitter stating how I wasn't worried( and I really wasn't), I believed he was committed to this program, but really this -- as you stated, for all it's challenges UM is a better job than his alma mater, you can't tell me any differently. If he wants to go to another program with more NCAA clouds hovering over it, well, then he's not as smart as I thought he was

But I sincerely believed something changed with the way L'Ville just blew them out. Maybe Im over-stating that loss but that's my gut feel. Regardless, I was still one of his remaining loyalists. But the way he has handled this, my slanted eyes have been opened and they don't like what they see

Again, to paraphrase Bo Schembechler: I want a Miami guy, coaching Miami.

I want to cut 'ties'( pun fully intended)

 

[CaneMutiny06]

This isn't Luxemberg. If you're at Miami, you are sitting on a nuclear ****nal every year. All it takes is a great coach to identify, acquire and utilize those weapons.

We're more like Israel. Relatively small country, but still a member of the exclusive nuclear power club.

 

[TheOGCane]

GUYS.... THE 80s were 30 years ago. 3 decades. these recruits were born in 1996, back when Clinton was getting blowjobs from Monica. It's time to move on. HISTORY doesn't mean **** anymore. just like we're not fighting the russians anymore, college football HAS CHANGED. DELTA.

you're a MORON if you're using this argument that our coaches from the 80s and EARLY 90s go onto better things. NEWSFLASH. these coaches today don't care. ever heard the saying: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY? a ****** stadium, no money, horrible expectations, and no loyalty from the local talent. we're a sham of a program. LOVE YOU ALL but ****, we're a second tier program now.