The Miami Job

[Gregcane]

Brilliant post, D$! I've been beating that drum for many years, but coming from you, it'll get more traction. Repeat that message as often and as emphatically as you can. It's important that public perception starts to meet reality on this issue because, like you said, if enough idiots start puppeting Mark May's bullshyt, then all the other idiots will start accepting it as true.

Also, please debunk the myth that UM won't pay coaches while you're at it. UM has proven that it will pay guys who they think deserve to be paid, and UM is not a broken down poor institution like these Mark May puppets on here think it is.

+100......it's amazing the average fan that thinks these quote on quote experts really know anything. They are just a puppet in a suit!! May is horrible.

+1000

 

[The Franchise]

Well, glad to see some of those words from you. One problem remains: regardless of what we're setup to do, what do the decision-makers want this program to become? Everyone can tell me how the leadership cares deeply about winning and all that, but at what point do we need to see the actions and evidence behind that?

That doesn't take some cookie-cutter moves and bringing out the FBI playbook to address the situation. I think it takes guts. It takes a deep look at what this program was built on. I don't believe it was built on incremental progress and improvement. As we've quickly learned, it wasn't supported by 8 pillars. The brand isn't about the videos, the talk and logos. This program was built on and launched by a mentality that has to permeate all levels. Aggression. Forward thinking. Whatever happens going forward, it needs to flow into that type of dynamic. You know who'll succeed in that environment? All those guys from all those neighborhoods mentioned in the original post.

The next important piece of evidence we need to see is that the Administration will not be satisfied with incremental progress. If the University of Miami remains conservative in their approach, I fear it will never again become the Miami Hurricanes most of us grew up on.

No one fits those parameters you listed better than that fake guinea Bobby Olive Garden. He IS what UM was built on. A nasty, gritty guy who would cut your throat before accepting defeat. The dude is ultra-competitive. He's not a fake or a shyster or a smooth-talking salesman. He's a football coach, who would take the players down here and make us unstoppable.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

May is just butt hurt from all of the beatings that the U has administered on his alma-matter over the years. Including this year, when we were downright awful on D. He's definitely got some EXTRA LARGE rustled jimmies.

 

[jump1cane]

****, we even make coaches that don't coach for us successful by association. See Charlie Strong. Is he #1 on everyones board if he loses to Miami in the RAB or if we find a way to retain Bridgewater?

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

Well, glad to see some of those words from you. One problem remains: regardless of what we're setup to do, what do the decision-makers want this program to become? Everyone can tell me how the leadership cares deeply about winning and all that, but at what point do we need to see the actions and evidence behind that?

That doesn't take some cookie-cutter moves and bringing out the FBI playbook to address the situation. I think it takes guts. It takes a deep look at what this program was built on. I don't believe it was built on incremental progress and improvement. As we've quickly learned, it wasn't supported by 8 pillars. The brand isn't about the videos, the talk and logos. This program was built on and launched by a mentality that has to permeate all levels. Aggression. Forward thinking. Whatever happens going forward, it needs to flow into that type of dynamic. You know who'll succeed in that environment? All those guys from all those neighborhoods mentioned in the original post.

The next important piece of evidence we need to see is that the Administration will not be satisfied with incremental progress. If the University of Miami remains conservative in their approach, I fear it will never again become the Miami Hurricanes most of us grew up on.

No one fits those parameters you listed better than that fake guinea Bobby Olive Garden. He IS what UM was built on. A nasty, gritty guy who would cut your throat before accepting defeat. The dude is ultra-competitive. He's not a fake or a shyster or a smooth-talking salesman. He's a football coach, who would take the players down here and make us unstoppable.

^^^This. By the way...is that Abdullah the Butcher in your avi?

 

[NoahZach]

I appreciate your optimism. But lets look at the cons.

Stadium is a ghost town down the stretch
Inept AD and president
Limited budget as far as paying coaches and assistants
Higher academic requirements
Stadium is not on campus and further away than the OB was.

The game is played by players. The best players in the world live in the neighborhoods surrounding that ****ty stadium.

I think the game day atmosphere matters to kids today a lot more than people think. Plus although south florida might be the most fertile recruiting area, UM still has to recruit FSU and UF. Two schools that kids down here see no problem with choosing over UM. Texas, LSU, USC, Georgia, Ohio state, don't have to worry about the recruiting competition in their area as much as UM does.

That's offset somewhat by sheer numbers. UM doing what UM does at its best still gets most of what it wants down here, along with a few others from outside.

It is why other teams sometimes need booster-funded recruiting budgets to have success down here with some kids. The only reason UM would not have real success down here is for reasons that mostly are within UM's control, even with the stadium issue.

There pretty much was no reason, except for poor coaching, player development and recruiting, for UM not to have dominated the Coastal all of these years--and that may even include the NCAA cloud of the last few years.

 

[tsimonitis]

Remember, this is also Blake James' chance to establish his legacy at UM. He came up through the school and saw the type of coach that can be successful. He is a Miami guy and fan first and foremost, unlike Kirby or Eichhorst.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Well, glad to see some of those words from you. One problem remains: regardless of what we're setup to do, what do the decision-makers want this program to become? Everyone can tell me how the leadership cares deeply about winning and all that, but at what point do we need to see the actions and evidence behind that?

That doesn't take some cookie-cutter moves and bringing out the FBI playbook to address the situation. I think it takes guts. It takes a deep look at what this program was built on. I don't believe it was built on incremental progress and improvement. As we've quickly learned, it wasn't supported by 8 pillars. The brand isn't about the videos, the talk and logos. This program was built on and launched by a mentality that has to permeate all levels. Aggression. Forward thinking. Whatever happens going forward, it needs to flow into that type of dynamic. You know who'll succeed in that environment? All those guys from all those neighborhoods mentioned in the original post.

The next important piece of evidence we need to see is that the Administration will not be satisfied with incremental progress. If the University of Miami remains conservative in their approach, I fear it will never again become the Miami Hurricanes most of us grew up on.

No one fits those parameters you listed better than that fake guinea Bobby Olive Garden. He IS what UM was built on. A nasty, gritty guy who would cut your throat before accepting defeat. The dude is ultra-competitive. He's not a fake or a shyster or a smooth-talking salesman. He's a football coach, who would take the players down here and make us unstoppable.

Would be an A+ hire, right along side a Butch Davis hire. Would win us a National Title within five years.

I just have no faith that he is even on the long list of candidates, sadly.

 

[The Franchise]

You have a corch who doesn't want to be here. How can he sell recruits on being some place he doesn't want to be?

Ax Cook, Rudolph, Lane, and, most likely, JC Jax.

 

[The Franchise]

Well, glad to see some of those words from you. One problem remains: regardless of what we're setup to do, what do the decision-makers want this program to become? Everyone can tell me how the leadership cares deeply about winning and all that, but at what point do we need to see the actions and evidence behind that?

That doesn't take some cookie-cutter moves and bringing out the FBI playbook to address the situation. I think it takes guts. It takes a deep look at what this program was built on. I don't believe it was built on incremental progress and improvement. As we've quickly learned, it wasn't supported by 8 pillars. The brand isn't about the videos, the talk and logos. This program was built on and launched by a mentality that has to permeate all levels. Aggression. Forward thinking. Whatever happens going forward, it needs to flow into that type of dynamic. You know who'll succeed in that environment? All those guys from all those neighborhoods mentioned in the original post.

The next important piece of evidence we need to see is that the Administration will not be satisfied with incremental progress. If the University of Miami remains conservative in their approach, I fear it will never again become the Miami Hurricanes most of us grew up on.

No one fits those parameters you listed better than that fake guinea Bobby Olive Garden. He IS what UM was built on. A nasty, gritty guy who would cut your throat before accepting defeat. The dude is ultra-competitive. He's not a fake or a shyster or a smooth-talking salesman. He's a football coach, who would take the players down here and make us unstoppable.

^^^This. By the way...is that Abdullah the Butcher in your avi?

Yezzir. That avi is none other than the great ATB. I'd love to see ATB gouge Big Fat Al's eyes out in a no-holds-barred loser leaves town match.

 

[NoahZach]

You don't encourage him to leave. One person ****ing in the drinking water is already one too many. If he doesn't go, how do you feel about that scenario?

Trust me on this: he doesn't want to be here. You could see it in his last press conference. Hopefully, PUS comes through and offers that job to him.

The damage has already been done. You have a corch who doesn't want to be here. How can he sell recruits on being some place he doesn't want to be?

If I was Golden and an opportunity for a better paying gig at my alma mater opened up, I'd be all over it too. Coming back for next season would be rough. He'd be under immense pressure to make changes, fire his buddy, show marked improvement and deliver. He starts over at PSU with a nice grace period in a location he better understands and fits.

I don't blame him at all for pursuing the gig. I would blame UM if it hasn't already made moves to prepare and expedite getting the successor in place, with the plan to keep the key assistants and maybe to bring someone local up to the staff as well and begin to repair things in the community.

 

[tsimonitis]

You don't encourage him to leave. One person ****ing in the drinking water is already one too many. If he doesn't go, how do you feel about that scenario?

Trust me on this: he doesn't want to be here. You could see it in his last press conference. Hopefully, PUS comes through and offers that job to him.

The damage has already been done. You have a corch who doesn't want to be here. How can he sell recruits on being some place he doesn't want to be?

If I was Golden and an opportunity for a better paying gig at my alma mater opened up, I'd be all over it too. Coming back for next season would be rough. He'd be under immense pressure to make changes, fire his buddy, show marked improvement and deliver. He starts over at PSU with a nice grace period in a location he better understands and fits.

I don't blame him at all for pursuing the gig. I would blame UM if it hasn't already made moves to prepare and expedite getting the successor in place, with the plan to keep the key assistants and maybe to bring someone local up to the staff as well and begin to repair things in the community.

AG leaving might be repair enough

 

[EFIL 4 ENAC]

No way in **** Butch Davis comes back as a DC.

That was pure speculation on my part. But if Norv Turner could work under Chud, why can't Butch? He is out of work and humbled. And he's old. Being a college coach is always tough, but being the head coach is a true grind. Maybe he'd rather be a coordinator and evaluator than the head man at this stage of his life.

+1

Butch isn't going to get a HC job anywhere. Not anywhere relevant at least. NCAA cleared him of wrongdoing but there's still a "cloud" around him.

The best he can hope for is a coordinator gig. He went to work for Schiano, who was Butch's own former assistant. So why not come back to Miami, where he says he wants to be, and work for another one of his past assistants?

If we can't get Petrino....I'd happily take Chud as HC, with Butch as DC. They are Miami guys and are proven.

 

[The Franchise]

No way in **** Butch Davis comes back as a DC.

That was pure speculation on my part. But if Norv Turner could work under Chud, why can't Butch? He is out of work and humbled. And he's old. Being a college coach is always tough, but being the head coach is a true grind. Maybe he'd rather be a coordinator and evaluator than the head man at this stage of his life.

+1

Butch isn't going to get a HC job anywhere. Not anywhere relevant at least. NCAA cleared him of wrongdoing but there's still a "cloud" around him.

The best he can hope for is a coordinator gig. He went to work for Schiano, who was Butch's own former assistant. So why not come back to Miami, where he says he wants to be, and work for another one of his past assistants?

If we can't get Petrino....I'd happily take Chud as HC, with Butch as DC. They are Miami guys and are proven.

Watch Tom Jurich hire Butch as HC. Jurich isn't scared, and he's built a ton of good will at Loserville. He'll take that risk that only exists in the minds of the feeble.

I'll take Olive Garden anyway. But if UM doesn't hire Butch, then Jurich will.

 

[itsacanething]

Why would do they care what Petrino did? Its not like he broke and NCAA rule or committed a crime.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

No way in **** Butch Davis comes back as a DC.

That was pure speculation on my part. But if Norv Turner could work under Chud, why can't Butch? He is out of work and humbled. And he's old. Being a college coach is always tough, but being the head coach is a true grind. Maybe he'd rather be a coordinator and evaluator than the head man at this stage of his life.

+1

Butch isn't going to get a HC job anywhere. Not anywhere relevant at least. NCAA cleared him of wrongdoing but there's still a "cloud" around him.

The best he can hope for is a coordinator gig. He went to work for Schiano, who was Butch's own former assistant. So why not come back to Miami, where he says he wants to be, and work for another one of his past assistants?

If we can't get Petrino....I'd happily take Chud as HC, with Butch as DC. They are Miami guys and are proven.

We will be back in no time in either or those scenarios. No excuses, pillars, etc.

 

[Believe In Boris]

Why do we say corch instead of coach again?

[video=youtube;KgbBP9Em00A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbBP9Em00A[/video]

This video never gets old.

 

[NoahZach]

You don't encourage him to leave. One person ****ing in the drinking water is already one too many. If he doesn't go, how do you feel about that scenario?

Trust me on this: he doesn't want to be here. You could see it in his last press conference. Hopefully, PUS comes through and offers that job to him.

The damage has already been done. You have a corch who doesn't want to be here. How can he sell recruits on being some place he doesn't want to be?

If I was Golden and an opportunity for a better paying gig at my alma mater opened up, I'd be all over it too. Coming back for next season would be rough. He'd be under immense pressure to make changes, fire his buddy, show marked improvement and deliver. He starts over at PSU with a nice grace period in a location he better understands and fits.

I don't blame him at all for pursuing the gig. I would blame UM if it hasn't already made moves to prepare and expedite getting the successor in place, with the plan to keep the key assistants and maybe to bring someone local up to the staff as well and begin to repair things in the community.

AG leaving might be repair enough

Well, it probably would be for Uncle Luke.

 

[drifters1234]

The game is played by players. The best players in the world live in the neighborhoods surrounding that ****ty stadium.

You've obviously never studied home field impact and variance. Leaving the Orange Bowl was devastating. We essentially forfeited 2 points per game on average, which is a greater adjustment in performance than all but a top tier quarterback.

Check the Dolphins results in their Orange Bowl years (1966-1986) versus the Sun Life years (1987-2013). They have declined 2.7 points per game on average in road games, indicating that the team in general has not been as good as the Shula years. But the decline in home games has been 5.3 points per game, from +7.5 to +2.2. That's unbelievable. It demonstrates how far the Orange Bowl was above the typical venue. I wrote to Dee and Shalala in 2007 emphasizing those numbers. At least the Dolphins could pretend the new venue would approximate the Orange Bowl. We had two decades worth of data and chose to ignore it. But why should I be surprised, given the conventional wisdom that the stadium doesn't matter? I never met one successful speculator who didn't understand home field values and how they vary.

If Golden leaves, I hope he is candid with the media in regard to Miami's stadium situation and how it regulates the program. That would be a needed jolt to the university, and to message boards like this one. The stadium should be the focal point every year, trumping every other variable.

The 01 Canes win the title playing at tropical park.

Miami's kick *** teams made the Orange Bowl what it was. The OB didnt make Miami

Miami played in the OB since 1937. What exactly did we win from 37 to 1982?????

Pretty solid counterpoint. But you have to have the horses to be in the race, and we just didn't have the players until the 80s.

Trust me, the Orange Bowl environment struck fear into opponents, which was a decisive advantage. The deafening noise in big games was phenomenal, and it led to all sorts of issues with teams trying to audible, as well as the snap count. Plus, our defense had another player in the West End Zone in those big-time match-ups.

And to follow on Awsi's point regarding the Dolphins, remember that the 85 Bears would have been undefeated, but for a Monday night loss in the Orange Bowl. The noise was critical, and the environment was electric.

 

[EFIL 4 ENAC]

Why would do they care what Petrino did? Its not like he broke and NCAA rule or committed a crime.

It's not about what he did. Its that he lied about it to the AD and President and tried to cover it up.