Talking to DMoney earlier, is this UF game...

[Gamineal]

I have been comparing it to 2000 FSU for a while

Its a "WE BACK" GAME

Please go look at the 2000 roster...we are not close to the 2000 roster as depth goes.
I wish we were..I am not sure we are not more like the 98/99 team..Starters are debatable but depth was building in 98/99 and in 2000 Butch had a well oiled machine..Golden does not have a well oil machine....

 

[Notsince1985]

I have been comparing it to 2000 FSU for a while

Its a "WE BACK" GAME

Please go look at the 2000 roster...we are not close to the 2000 roster as depth goes.
I wish we were..I am not sure we are not more like the 98/99 team..Starters are debatable but depth was building in 98/99 and in 2000 Butch had a well oiled machine..Golden does not have a well oil machine....

To be fair though, 2013 Florida does not equal 2000 FSU either.

 

[Consigliere]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

9 wins is nice but he didnt win the Mac which is what I mean. Sorry if you have lower standards I will be much clearer next time. You could probably get away with saying golden had the most talent in the Mac yet he did nothing interms of championships in year 4-5.

He did a great job turning that thing around but this type of thing has been seen before in college football. **** look at Miami before Howard came..he turned this place around. They were thinking about shutting miami down. Who cares? that mere fact didnt effect howard at all. Stanford was garbage before harbaugh got there. Boise st is in the middle of nowhere etc etc. plenty of examples out there.

Imagine if they fired Harbaugh after he started with those amazing records at Stanford (4-8 and 5-7). Harbaugh still had a losing record at Stanford after his first THREE SEASONS. Thank Jebus they gave him a chance. Thank Jebus he got a chance to rebuild Stanford after the program was dormant for a long time.

You are retarded by the way.

Wrong and you miss my total point as usual. Harbaugh showed flashes on the field most notably by beating #1 ranked USC in year 1 iirc. It's the same as when butch beat ucla.

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

You don't have a point, you're just a retarded stinky **** with an agenda that is trying to mope this place up with topics beaten to death.

Harbaugh also lost to the following his first year

Washington (4-9)
Washington State (5-7)
Notre Dame (3-9)
Washington State (5-7)
UCLA (6-7)

5 Losses against teams with a losing record. Way to go Jim, you beat #2 USC that is more important that beating teams with losing records. If you did lose to USC, you would have been fired!!!!

You have to remember that Golden is 44 years old and has only been an HC since 2006. Here are some coaches that have moved on to promotions underneath him.

Jedd Fisch: OC for the Jaguars
McDonald: OC for Syracuse
Terry Richardson: RB Coach for the Jaguars
Matt Rhule: HC for Temple

 

[Consigliere]

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

Harbaugh is also one of the best coaches in the NFL.

We probably could've had him after the stint at San Diego, but who knew he was going to be THIS good back then?

I don't think people at Stanford knew after the second year whether he could be this beast. 9 wins over his first two seasons.

 

[Newkirk]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

9 wins is nice but he didnt win the Mac which is what I mean. Sorry if you have lower standards I will be much clearer next time. You could probably get away with saying golden had the most talent in the Mac yet he did nothing interms of championships in year 4-5.

He did a great job turning that thing around but this type of thing has been seen before in college football. **** look at Miami before Howard came..he turned this place around. They were thinking about shutting miami down. Who cares? that mere fact didnt effect howard at all. Stanford was garbage before harbaugh got there. Boise st is in the middle of nowhere etc etc. plenty of examples out there.

Golden is the one who amassed arguably the most talent in the MAC. Golden's specialty is exactly where we've been lacking: recruiting and development.

BTW Golden probably wins the MAC if Bernard Pierce doesn't get injured at the end of '09 and '10.

Miami hasn't been lacking in recruiting and development. How do you lack in recruiting and development when you have several players drafted off your team, several players make all conference with some even starting games in the nfl? It doesn't make sense.

Miami has been lacking in other coaching related area's like having a dynamic/ innovative coach,someone who understands how to motivate kids, understands personnel/ situational play calling, surrounds himself with the right people whom are all on the same page etc.

 

[rsa coral gables]

i agree that IT APPEARS that golden has improved the program. S&C, nutrition, culture, recruiting, team spirit, discipline, focus, fan experience, public/media relations etc. at the end of the day, however, it needs to be parlayed into wins ON THE FIELD. while we have seen some improvement in play within some games, we have yet to see consistent winning game-to-game (UVA) and winning big games (VT in 2011, FSU).

with the talent that this team has on offense and the favorable schedule, this is the year to see that improvement on the field.

 

[Gamineal]

I have been comparing it to 2000 FSU for a while

Its a "WE BACK" GAME

Please go look at the 2000 roster...we are not close to the 2000 roster as depth goes.
I wish we were..I am not sure we are not more like the 98/99 team..Starters are debatable but depth was building in 98/99 and in 2000 Butch had a well oiled machine..Golden does not have a well oil machine....

To be fair though, 2013 Florida does not equal 2000 FSU either.

true...winston seems to be a **** of lot better than winky...

I know what are saying but in 2000 we were a national power ranked 4th in country before the UW game..and were still 7th when we played FSU,,,

the 2000 team would beat the Bama team today by 3 tds,,and our team by 5..they were just as good as the 01 team just had a horrible loss at UW

 

[Newkirk]

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

Harbaugh is also one of the best coaches in the NFL.

We probably could've had him after the stint at San Diego, but who knew he was going to be THIS good back then?

I don't think people at Stanford knew after the second year whether he could be this beast. 9 wins over his first two seasons.

Your simple to common fan couldn't but others could.

 

[Newkirk]

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

9 wins is nice but he didnt win the Mac which is what I mean. Sorry if you have lower standards I will be much clearer next time. You could probably get away with saying golden had the most talent in the Mac yet he did nothing interms of championships in year 4-5.

He did a great job turning that thing around but this type of thing has been seen before in college football. **** look at Miami before Howard came..he turned this place around. They were thinking about shutting miami down. Who cares? that mere fact didnt effect howard at all. Stanford was garbage before harbaugh got there. Boise st is in the middle of nowhere etc etc. plenty of examples out there.

Imagine if they fired Harbaugh after he started with those amazing records at Stanford (4-8 and 5-7). Harbaugh still had a losing record at Stanford after his first THREE SEASONS. Thank Jebus they gave him a chance. Thank Jebus he got a chance to rebuild Stanford after the program was dormant for a long time.

You are retarded by the way.

Wrong and you miss my total point as usual. Harbaugh showed flashes on the field most notably by beating #1 ranked USC in year 1 iirc. It's the same as when butch beat ucla.

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

You don't have a point, you're just a retarded stinky **** with an agenda that is trying to mope this place up with topics beaten to death.

Harbaugh also lost to the following his first year

Washington (4-9)
Washington State (5-7)
Notre Dame (3-9)
Washington State (5-7)
UCLA (6-7)

5 Losses against teams with a losing record. Way to go Jim, you beat #2 USC that is more important that beating teams with losing records. If you did lose to USC, you would have been fired!!!!

You have to remember that Golden is 44 years old and has only been an HC since 2006. Here are some coaches that have moved on to promotions underneath him.

Jedd Fisch: OC for the Jaguars
McDonald: OC for Syracuse
Matt Rhule: HC for Temple

Your going to have slip ups like that and btw, you don't wanna compare the players harbaugh took over to what golden took over cause you will look even worse than you already do.

Like I said, golden would get a pass if he managed an on field notable performance or Atleast showed some flashes of being dynamic on game days. He's done neither.

 

[Consigliere]

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

Harbaugh is also one of the best coaches in the NFL.

We probably could've had him after the stint at San Diego, but who knew he was going to be THIS good back then?

I don't think people at Stanford knew after the second year whether he could be this beast. 9 wins over his first two seasons.

Your simple to common fan couldn't but others could.

Try an ESOL course.

 

[Consigliere]

9 wins is nice but he didnt win the Mac which is what I mean. Sorry if you have lower standards I will be much clearer next time. You could probably get away with saying golden had the most talent in the Mac yet he did nothing interms of championships in year 4-5.

He did a great job turning that thing around but this type of thing has been seen before in college football. **** look at Miami before Howard came..he turned this place around. They were thinking about shutting miami down. Who cares? that mere fact didnt effect howard at all. Stanford was garbage before harbaugh got there. Boise st is in the middle of nowhere etc etc. plenty of examples out there.

Imagine if they fired Harbaugh after he started with those amazing records at Stanford (4-8 and 5-7). Harbaugh still had a losing record at Stanford after his first THREE SEASONS. Thank Jebus they gave him a chance. Thank Jebus he got a chance to rebuild Stanford after the program was dormant for a long time.

You are retarded by the way.

Wrong and you miss my total point as usual. Harbaugh showed flashes on the field most notably by beating #1 ranked USC in year 1 iirc. It's the same as when butch beat ucla.

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

You don't have a point, you're just a retarded stinky **** with an agenda that is trying to mope this place up with topics beaten to death.

Harbaugh also lost to the following his first year

Washington (4-9)
Washington State (5-7)
Notre Dame (3-9)
Washington State (5-7)
UCLA (6-7)

5 Losses against teams with a losing record. Way to go Jim, you beat #2 USC that is more important that beating teams with losing records. If you did lose to USC, you would have been fired!!!!

You have to remember that Golden is 44 years old and has only been an HC since 2006. Here are some coaches that have moved on to promotions underneath him.

Jedd Fisch: OC for the Jaguars
McDonald: OC for Syracuse
Matt Rhule: HC for Temple

Your going to have slip ups like that and btw, you don't wanna compare the players harbaugh took over to what golden took over cause you will look even worse than you already do.

Like I said, golden would get a pass if he managed an on field notable performance or Atleast showed some flashes of being dynamic on game days. He's done neither.

Are you done with Golden surrounding himself with a talented staff?

Random Question

Over the first two seasons: would you rather go 9-15 and beat #2 USC or go 13-11 and be ineligible for two bowl games while dealing with the NCAA mess?

 

[Newkirk]

No, Davis did not beat everyone he was supposed to beat. He lost to a 5-6 UCLA team, he lost to VA Tech 5 years in a row when we had more talent some of those years. In spite of the sanctions, we had more talent than WVU and Pitt. I don't care if ECU had an NFL QB, Miami had NFL players all over that freakin roster.

As to your other points, of course Davis, over his career won MANY more big games than Golden. Davis was a great coach for UM and did AMAZING things at UM. I'm not a blind follower of Golden, and I'm not a Davis basher. I was merely using an example to show he was not as great as you remember early on, and you think it's ok to use the sanction card for Davis, but not ok to use the suspension card for Golden. I don't care how bad Maryland was, and they were G-d awful (and not Golden should not have lost that game), one loss with 10? 11 players, including many of your best players suspended should not still be brought up and used against him.

As for Golden, no, he has not won a big game, or at least a game against a team that ended the season being good, because Ohio State was highly ranked when they won that one. I never said Golden had, and I never said Golden was better than Butch or would be. In fact, if Golden doesn't start winning soon, I will be on him too, but soon for me is not now, and it's definitely not the past.

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

 

[Ispyin]

Why are so many good posters who should know better feeding this lame *** clear agenda driven troll?

 

[CanesAreAble]

Miami hasn't been lacking in recruiting and development. How do you lack in recruiting and development when you have several players drafted off your team, several players make all conference with some even starting games in the nfl? It doesn't make sense.

Miami has been lacking in other coaching related area's like having a dynamic/ innovative coach,someone who understands how to motivate kids, understands personnel/ situational play calling, surrounds himself with the right people whom are all on the same page etc.

Development has clearly been lacking. A lot of the guys who've gone to the pros and carved out a niche or simply made rosters/practice squads grossly underachieved in college.

Recruiting was also on the downturn, both in terms of talent and roster balance.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Why are so many good posters who should know better feeding this lame *** clear agenda driven troll?

I'm procrastinating. Work is boring the **** outta me today.

 

[Consigliere]

No, Davis did not beat everyone he was supposed to beat. He lost to a 5-6 UCLA team, he lost to VA Tech 5 years in a row when we had more talent some of those years. In spite of the sanctions, we had more talent than WVU and Pitt. I don't care if ECU had an NFL QB, Miami had NFL players all over that freakin roster.

As to your other points, of course Davis, over his career won MANY more big games than Golden. Davis was a great coach for UM and did AMAZING things at UM. I'm not a blind follower of Golden, and I'm not a Davis basher. I was merely using an example to show he was not as great as you remember early on, and you think it's ok to use the sanction card for Davis, but not ok to use the suspension card for Golden. I don't care how bad Maryland was, and they were G-d awful (and not Golden should not have lost that game), one loss with 10? 11 players, including many of your best players suspended should not still be brought up and used against him.

As for Golden, no, he has not won a big game, or at least a game against a team that ended the season being good, because Ohio State was highly ranked when they won that one. I never said Golden had, and I never said Golden was better than Butch or would be. In fact, if Golden doesn't start winning soon, I will be on him too, but soon for me is not now, and it's definitely not the past.

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Miami still had a recruiting base, Temple was NOTHING. Miami had a name and tradition and Temple was nothing. Miami was not kicked out of the Big yEAST but Temple was. Miami won a championship recently, Temple went 3-13 and did not having a winning record since 1990. The jobs were not really the same, just the scholarship reductions.

Golden didn't have a defense in 1997...FYI

 

[CanesAreAble]

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

A few things:

1. Going by your criteria, what had Butch shown in year 4 (or 5)?
2. People complained about "Botch" Davis repeatedly. They even flew a banner.
3. Golden was also hit with scholarship reductions. The school's APR was so low, they lost 31 schollies.

 

[Newkirk]

Miami hasn't been lacking in recruiting and development. How do you lack in recruiting and development when you have several players drafted off your team, several players make all conference with some even starting games in the nfl? It doesn't make sense.

Miami has been lacking in other coaching related area's like having a dynamic/ innovative coach,someone who understands how to motivate kids, understands personnel/ situational play calling, surrounds himself with the right people whom are all on the same page etc.

Development has clearly been lacking. A lot of the guys who've gone to the pros and carved out a niche or simply made rosters/practice squads grossly underachieved in college.

Recruiting was also on the downturn, both in terms of talent and roster balance.

They under achievded for the reasons I mentioned above. "development" is just a message board cliche people use to sound cute. There's a difference between player developemnt and coaching attributes and how it effects a player.

Recruitng was on the downturn? the best players on this team committed to the former regime. Roster balance? What's this suppose to mean?

9 players are gone from golden's first class. I guess that's a non issue.

 

[Notsince1985]

No, Davis did not beat everyone he was supposed to beat. He lost to a 5-6 UCLA team, he lost to VA Tech 5 years in a row when we had more talent some of those years. In spite of the sanctions, we had more talent than WVU and Pitt. I don't care if ECU had an NFL QB, Miami had NFL players all over that freakin roster.

As to your other points, of course Davis, over his career won MANY more big games than Golden. Davis was a great coach for UM and did AMAZING things at UM. I'm not a blind follower of Golden, and I'm not a Davis basher. I was merely using an example to show he was not as great as you remember early on, and you think it's ok to use the sanction card for Davis, but not ok to use the suspension card for Golden. I don't care how bad Maryland was, and they were G-d awful (and not Golden should not have lost that game), one loss with 10? 11 players, including many of your best players suspended should not still be brought up and used against him.

As for Golden, no, he has not won a big game, or at least a game against a team that ended the season being good, because Ohio State was highly ranked when they won that one. I never said Golden had, and I never said Golden was better than Butch or would be. In fact, if Golden doesn't start winning soon, I will be on him too, but soon for me is not now, and it's definitely not the past.

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Davis showed he could win a championship in 1995 and 1996? Those were his first 2 years at Miami. I will post his results below

1995

L @UCLA 8-31
W FAMU 49-3
L @VA Tech 7-13
L @FSU 17-41
W Rutgers 56-21
W @Pitt 17-16
W Temple 36-12
W Baylor 35-14
W @Boston College 17-14
W West Virginia 17-12
W Syracuse 35-24

1996

W @Memphis 30-7
W Citadel 52-6
W @Rutgers 33-0
W Pitt 45-0
L FSU 16-34
L East Carolina 6-31
W @West Virginia 10-7
W @Temple 57-26
L Virginia Tech 7-21
W Boston College 43-26
W @Syracuse 38-31
W Virginia 31-21 (Carquest Bowl)

Davis had a better record than Golden his first 2 years, I'll give you that, in fact I already have. Never argued that point. What in that list above shows you Davis proved in his first 2 years he was ready to win a championship? You realize Golden has been the coach at Miami for 2 years, so you can't bring up the UCLA win in '98, which was in Davis' 4th year, or the FSU win in '00, which was in Davis' 6th.

 

[Newkirk]

No, Davis did not beat everyone he was supposed to beat. He lost to a 5-6 UCLA team, he lost to VA Tech 5 years in a row when we had more talent some of those years. In spite of the sanctions, we had more talent than WVU and Pitt. I don't care if ECU had an NFL QB, Miami had NFL players all over that freakin roster.

As to your other points, of course Davis, over his career won MANY more big games than Golden. Davis was a great coach for UM and did AMAZING things at UM. I'm not a blind follower of Golden, and I'm not a Davis basher. I was merely using an example to show he was not as great as you remember early on, and you think it's ok to use the sanction card for Davis, but not ok to use the suspension card for Golden. I don't care how bad Maryland was, and they were G-d awful (and not Golden should not have lost that game), one loss with 10? 11 players, including many of your best players suspended should not still be brought up and used against him.

As for Golden, no, he has not won a big game, or at least a game against a team that ended the season being good, because Ohio State was highly ranked when they won that one. I never said Golden had, and I never said Golden was better than Butch or would be. In fact, if Golden doesn't start winning soon, I will be on him too, but soon for me is not now, and it's definitely not the past.

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Miami still had a recruiting base, Temple was NOTHING. Miami had a name and tradition and Temple was nothing. Miami was not kicked out of the Big yEAST but Temple was. Miami won a championship recently, Temple went 3-13 and did not having a winning record since 1990. The jobs were not really the same, just the scholarship reductions.

Golden didn't have a defense in 1997...FYI

As usual you're not following either by choice or some personel short coming. What was Miami's recuting base before howard took over? where's boise st's recruitng base? meaningless. When golden came to Temple he made a dam recruitng base. That's what good coaches do. You can easily say Golden amassed the best talent in the MAC. How did he do it? Who gives a **** what went on before you got there. Harvard or Yale has a history. WTF is that doing for them now? OU had a history. Why did they suck in 90's then win a ship in year 2 with stoops? They sucked for close to a decade!