Talking to DMoney earlier, is this UF game...

[Newkirk]

You don't have a point, you're just a retarded stinky **** with an agenda that is trying to mope this place up with topics beaten to death.

Harbaugh also lost to the following his first year

Washington (4-9)
Washington State (5-7)
Notre Dame (3-9)
Washington State (5-7)
UCLA (6-7)

5 Losses against teams with a losing record. Way to go Jim, you beat #2 USC that is more important that beating teams with losing records. If you did lose to USC, you would have been fired!!!!

You have to remember that Golden is 44 years old and has only been an HC since 2006. Here are some coaches that have moved on to promotions underneath him.

Jedd Fisch: OC for the Jaguars
McDonald: OC for Syracuse
Matt Rhule: HC for Temple

Your going to have slip ups like that and btw, you don't wanna compare the players harbaugh took over to what golden took over cause you will look even worse than you already do.

Like I said, golden would get a pass if he managed an on field notable performance or Atleast showed some flashes of being dynamic on game days. He's done neither.

Are you done with Golden surrounding himself with a talented staff?

Random Question

Over the first two seasons: would you rather go 9-15 and beat #2 USC or go 13-11 and be ineligible for two bowl games while dealing with the NCAA mess?

SMH. Go look at Harbaugh's staff at stanford oe even davis"s staff in 2000 then get back with me.

KunTroll keep up the good work!

a football question on a football message board too much for you huh? lmao

 

[Newkirk]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

 

[Newkirk]

tears, either record doesn't matter as long as he shows progress as a coach. The question has been already answer'd but you just aren't smart enough to put it all together.

 

[bomb]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

Acceptable? No. Understandable, when you consider he had 3 weeks to recruit an entire class? Yes.

With fans like this, who needs Gators?

 

[Newkirk]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

Acceptable? No. Understandable, when you consider he had 3 weeks to recruit an entire class? Yes.

With fans like this, who needs Gators?

Do you think Golden is the first coach to have a short time frame to recruit in year 1?

 

[CanesAreAble]

So Miami still has 23-24 guys from Goldens first group of 20 in which 9 players are no longer part of the team let alone contributing. I mean, Shannon's classes got so bad that Godlen's superior recruits can't even surpalnt them for the most part. Yea you're right recruting has fallen off.

9 guys missing form your original class of 20 is now acceptable. SMH.

Oh wait, you're counting the patchwork class of 2011?

Golden had a month to put that class together. You know **** well one month isn't long enough to recruit from the bottom up. You have to cultivate relationships with coaches and players.

BTW I'm only seeing 7 guys who left the program.

So how can stoops, Carrol, tressel, saban etc do it in less time? Don't act like Golden is the first coach in ncaa history to have to recruit with limited time after getting hired.

I haven't gone through their transition classes. Were they any good? And which players were already committed?

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I don't think we're national title contenders even with a win. IMO, preseason ratings are gold. Virtually never does a team rise from where we slotted in preseason, the 27 range, to win the championship or seriously contend for it. I'd always prefer to be a top 5 preseason team that is considered overstated, than a whispered team from the 20 to 30 tier.

The truth is early August and trivial regular season results can obscure it from time to time. That's the way I look at it. I realize it's not popular. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning. The preseason consensus are remarkable. I can't imagine betting college football or basketball without those numbers handy at all times. It's always amusing when fans and media fixate on the handful of instances in which the preseason forecasts are wrong, as opposed to how routinely they get it right.

Besides, in 2000 we were rated so high we were road favorites against an excellent Washington team very early in the season. This time we're home underdogs against a 10ish team. That's the difference. We're talking a full touchdown or more weaker in respect to the field. That's extremely difficult to overcome or prove wrong.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

Darius Smith graduated. He was a JUCO transfer (unfortunately a necessary one because the DT position had been so thoroughly depleted). Corey King was also a necessary addition. He's still on the roster.

Armbrister is starting at SLB. Rashawn Scott has been productive at WR. Crawford's the backup RB. Goudis is our starting kicker. Gadbois is in the top 7 at OL.

Those aren't bad returns all things considered.

 

[CanesAreAble]

I don't think we're national title contenders even with a win. IMO, preseason ratings are gold.

I don't think this is a national championship roster yet, but if we ran the table, we'd most certainly be in the mix. Beating Florida probably catapults us into the top 15. Winning at FSU would be huge, then knocking off Clemson in the ACCCG (who very well might be undefeated at the time) would give us a big boost.

All that said, I want to see at least 10 wins and a Coastal title. Anything below that would be a disappointment.

 

[Consigliere]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

2 Impact Guys?

1. Flowers
2. Duke Johnson
3. Eddie Johnson
4. Perryman
5. Dorsett

Plus all our starters, but there are NO IMPACT GUYS!!!!

Nobody gets anytime to develop either. If they are not studs before their junior year they are NON-IMPACT GUYS!!!

 

[Gamineal]

I don't think we're national title contenders even with a win. IMO, preseason ratings are gold. Virtually never does a team rise from where we slotted in preseason, the 27 range, to win the championship or seriously contend for it. I'd always prefer to be a top 5 preseason team that is considered overstated, than a whispered team from the 20 to 30 tier.

The truth is early August and trivial regular season results can obscure it from time to time. That's the way I look at it. I realize it's not popular. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning. The preseason consensus are remarkable. I can't imagine betting college football or basketball without those numbers handy at all times. It's always amusing when fans and media fixate on the handful of instances in which the preseason forecasts are wrong, as opposed to how routinely they get it right.

Besides, in 2000 we were rated so high we were road favorites against an excellent Washington team very early in the season. This time we're home underdogs against a 10ish team. That's the difference. We're talking a full touchdown or more weaker in respect to the field. That's extremely difficult to overcome or prove wrong.

Nice...ND last year..

 

[Newkirk]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

Darius Smith graduated. He was a JUCO transfer (unfortunately a necessary one because the DT position had been so thoroughly depleted). Corey King was also a necessary addition. He's still on the roster.

Armbrister is starting at SLB. Rashawn Scott has been productive at WR. Crawford's the backup RB. Goudis is our starting kicker. Gadbois is in the top 7 at OL.

Those aren't bad returns all things considered.

All additions are necessary. The goal is to bring in good players. Pete carrol needed a dt, he got Shaun cody to sign at the last minute. Then brought in mike Patterson the next year.

When tressel took over at ohio st his second year in 2002 he knew he needed help at cb. Derek Ross left early. That left Richard mcnutt, bobby Briton, Harlan Jacobs, Curtis Crosby, Maurice lee. He recruited Dustin fox and Chris gamble as a wr but ended up moving him db. So even though he had so called roster balance at the position the guys sucked so he fixed it. Who cares about roster balance if the players you have suck? He added the difference makers including clarrett.

Tressell first year at osu* he had Steve bello sari as qb. Member him he came from Florida. Boca raton or whatever.

I can do this all day spanning years every scenario basically. None of this stuff golden is going thru is new cfb. Nothing. Just brand new fans brand new to cfb.

 

[Newkirk]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

2 Impact Guys?

1. Flowers
2. Duke Johnson
3. Eddie Johnson
4. Perryman
5. Dorsett

Plus all our starters, but there are NO IMPACT GUYS!!!!

Nobody gets anytime to develop either. If they are not studs before their junior year they are NON-IMPACT GUYS!!!

Ding dong hello? Is anybody home? Are flowers, Johnson from the 2011 class ( would be jr's). Do u ever think before you cry? Ding dong hello is anybody there? Ding dong.....


Post starts off......." Goldens first class...." Then proceeds to name Johnson and flowers. Smh. Ding dong hello?

 

[CanesAreAble]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

Darius Smith graduated. He was a JUCO transfer (unfortunately a necessary one because the DT position had been so thoroughly depleted). Corey King was also a necessary addition. He's still on the roster.

Armbrister is starting at SLB. Rashawn Scott has been productive at WR. Crawford's the backup RB. Goudis is our starting kicker. Gadbois is in the top 7 at OL.

Those aren't bad returns all things considered.

All additions are necessary. The goal is to bring in good players. Pete carrol needed a dt, he got Shaun cody to sign at the last minute. Then brought in mike Patterson the next year.

When tressel took over at ohio st his second year in 2002 he knew he needed help at cb. Derek Ross left early. That left Richard mcnutt, bobby Briton, Harlan Jacobs, Curtis Crosby, Maurice lee. He recruited Dustin fox and Chris gamble as a wr but ended up moving him db. So even though he had so called roster balance at the position the guys sucked so he fixed it. Who cares about roster balance if the players you have suck? He added the difference makers including clarrett.

Tressell first year at osu* he had Steve bello sari as qb. Member him he came from Florida. Boca raton or whatever.

I can do this all day spanning years every scenario basically. None of this stuff golden is going thru is new cfb. Nothing. Just brand new fans brand new to cfb.

I thought we were talking about the transitional recruiting class. You're bringing up 2nd year stuff.

Bottom line: there's not enough data to conclude anything definitely. I'm sold on Golden. You're not.

We'll see how year 3 turns out.

 

[Newkirk]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

Darius Smith graduated. He was a JUCO transfer (unfortunately a necessary one because the DT position had been so thoroughly depleted). Corey King was also a necessary addition. He's still on the roster.

Armbrister is starting at SLB. Rashawn Scott has been productive at WR. Crawford's the backup RB. Goudis is our starting kicker. Gadbois is in the top 7 at OL.

Those aren't bad returns all things considered.

All additions are necessary. The goal is to bring in good players. Pete carrol needed a dt, he got Shaun cody to sign at the last minute. Then brought in mike Patterson the next year.

When tressel took over at ohio st his second year in 2002 he knew he needed help at cb. Derek Ross left early. That left Richard mcnutt, bobby Briton, Harlan Jacobs, Curtis Crosby, Maurice lee. He recruited Dustin fox and Chris gamble as a wr but ended up moving him db. So even though he had so called roster balance at the position the guys sucked so he fixed it. Who cares about roster balance if the players you have suck? He added the difference makers including clarrett.

Tressell first year at osu* he had Steve bello sari as qb. Member him he came from Florida. Boca raton or whatever.

I can do this all day spanning years every scenario basically. None of this stuff golden is going thru is new cfb. Nothing. Just brand new fans brand new to cfb.

I thought we were talking about the transitional recruiting class. You're bringing up 2nd year stuff.

Bottom line: there's not enough data to conclude anything definitely. I'm sold on Golden. You're not.

We'll see how year 3 turns out.

Dustin fox and gamle were part of tressell first class. I mentioned Patterson with carrol to reiterate a point of addressing needs and that every coach that takes over for a failed coach has holes to fill, roster balance issues or whatever you want to call it this week.

 

[bomb]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

Acceptable? No. Understandable, when you consider he had 3 weeks to recruit an entire class? Yes.

With fans like this, who needs Gators?

Do you think Golden is the first coach to have a short time frame to recruit in year 1?

I've never, ever, EVER seen a coach take over with three weeks left to recruit and there only being 2 kids committed when he took over. Usually there are 15-20 or so and he has to work to retain them, not start from scratch. So yes, it was an extraordinary situation.

Secondly, all those other coaches who only had a "short time frame to recruit" rarely landed all world classes.

 

[Newkirk]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

Acceptable? No. Understandable, when you consider he had 3 weeks to recruit an entire class? Yes.

With fans like this, who needs Gators?

Do you think Golden is the first coach to have a short time frame to recruit in year 1?

I've never, ever, EVER seen a coach take over with three weeks left to recruit and there only being 2 kids committed when he took over. Usually there are 15-20 or so and he has to work to retain them, not start from scratch. So yes, it was an extraordinary situation.

Secondly, all those other coaches who only had a "short time frame to recruit" rarely landed all world classes.

So your answer is no. Very good thanks.

 

[k9cane]

Why do people persist in arguing with morons with an agenda?

 

[CanesAreAble]

Why do people persist in arguing with morons with an agenda?

Playtime over!

 

[Consigliere]

Golden's first class produced 2 impact guys one of which committed the former regime. Dorsett and Perryman. You can add chick if you want but i don't care much for guys who start on the worst group in school history and contribute heavily to such cause. nevermind, we'll inlcude chick, pierre and bolton. 5 guys. the other 15 have done nothing. That's not a wasted class?

Gone from first class of 19 since gadbois came the next year

darius smith
antonia kennard
junior alexis
thomas finnie
eddie johnson
ginna paul
jalen grimble
ricardo williams
corey king?

plus non factor like hunter wells.

I guess this is accpectable now.

2 Impact Guys?

1. Flowers
2. Duke Johnson
3. Eddie Johnson
4. Perryman
5. Dorsett

Plus all our starters, but there are NO IMPACT GUYS!!!!

Nobody gets anytime to develop either. If they are not studs before their junior year they are NON-IMPACT GUYS!!!

Ding dong hello? Is anybody home? Are flowers, Johnson from the 2011 class ( would be jr's). Do u ever think before you cry? Ding dong hello is anybody there? Ding dong.....


Post starts off......." Goldens first class...." Then proceeds to name Johnson and flowers. Smh. Ding dong hello?

It wasn't his first class he had less than a month to recruit, it was a BS class which was attempted during the dead period. How many official visits were set up? How many relationships were forced? 2011 was an attempt to save a corpse left ny a mummy. 2012 is his first real class.

Ding dong wash your ****.