Talking to DMoney earlier, is this UF game...

[Consigliere]

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Miami still had a recruiting base, Temple was NOTHING. Miami had a name and tradition and Temple was nothing. Miami was not kicked out of the Big yEAST but Temple was. Miami won a championship recently, Temple went 3-13 and did not having a winning record since 1990. The jobs were not really the same, just the scholarship reductions.

Golden didn't have a defense in 1997...FYI

As usual you're not following either by choice or some personel short coming. What was Miami's recuting base before howard took over? where's boise st's recruitng base? meaningless. When golden came to Temple he made a dam recruitng base. That's what good coaches do. You can easily say Golden amassed the best talent in the MAC. How did he do it? Who gives a **** what went on before you got there. Harvard or Yale has a history. WTF is that doing for them now? OU had a history. Why did they suck in 90's then win a ship in year 2 with stoops? They sucked for close to a decade!

Are we talking about Butch or Howard?

Yup Temple was a great gig, a beast program. Easy to do everything there, Golden had it made. Good point.

 

[k9cane]

Why are so many good posters who should know better feeding this lame *** clear agenda driven troll?

I'm procrastinating. Work is boring the **** outta me today.

AHEM!!!

 

[CanesAreAble]

Miami hasn't been lacking in recruiting and development. How do you lack in recruiting and development when you have several players drafted off your team, several players make all conference with some even starting games in the nfl? It doesn't make sense.

Miami has been lacking in other coaching related area's like having a dynamic/ innovative coach,someone who understands how to motivate kids, understands personnel/ situational play calling, surrounds himself with the right people whom are all on the same page etc.

Development has clearly been lacking. A lot of the guys who've gone to the pros and carved out a niche or simply made rosters/practice squads grossly underachieved in college.

Recruiting was also on the downturn, both in terms of talent and roster balance.

They under achievded for the reasons I mentioned above. "development" is just a message board cliche people use to sound cute. There's a difference between player developemnt and coaching attributes and how it effects a player.

Recruitng was on the downturn? the best players on this team committed to the former regime. Roster balance? What's this suppose to mean?

9 players are gone from golden's first class. I guess that's a non issue.

So "development" is a cliche but "motivation" and "understanding personnel" are so clearly defined? That's all part of development.

Yes, recruiting was on the downturn. Shannon's classes, especially on defense, got progressively worse. He had, what, 4 or 5 guys committed when he was fired?

As for the 9 guys from Golden's class being gone, attrition happens. That was a huge class (out of necessity). We still have 23 or 24 guys from that group. The problem is when you miss on 9 guys out of a class of 18.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Why are so many good posters who should know better feeding this lame *** clear agenda driven troll?

I'm procrastinating. Work is boring the **** outta me today.

AHEM!!!

DAMMIT MANE

I'm trying, man. I'm working in spurts.

 

[Newkirk]

No, Davis did not beat everyone he was supposed to beat. He lost to a 5-6 UCLA team, he lost to VA Tech 5 years in a row when we had more talent some of those years. In spite of the sanctions, we had more talent than WVU and Pitt. I don't care if ECU had an NFL QB, Miami had NFL players all over that freakin roster.

As to your other points, of course Davis, over his career won MANY more big games than Golden. Davis was a great coach for UM and did AMAZING things at UM. I'm not a blind follower of Golden, and I'm not a Davis basher. I was merely using an example to show he was not as great as you remember early on, and you think it's ok to use the sanction card for Davis, but not ok to use the suspension card for Golden. I don't care how bad Maryland was, and they were G-d awful (and not Golden should not have lost that game), one loss with 10? 11 players, including many of your best players suspended should not still be brought up and used against him.

As for Golden, no, he has not won a big game, or at least a game against a team that ended the season being good, because Ohio State was highly ranked when they won that one. I never said Golden had, and I never said Golden was better than Butch or would be. In fact, if Golden doesn't start winning soon, I will be on him too, but soon for me is not now, and it's definitely not the past.

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Davis showed he could win a championship in 1995 and 1996? Those were his first 2 years at Miami. I will post his results below

1995

L @UCLA 8-31
W FAMU 49-3
L @VA Tech 7-13
L @FSU 17-41
W Rutgers 56-21
W @Pitt 17-16
W Temple 36-12
W Baylor 35-14
W @Boston College 17-14
W West Virginia 17-12
W Syracuse 35-24

1996

W @Memphis 30-7
W Citadel 52-6
W @Rutgers 33-0
W Pitt 45-0
L FSU 16-34
L East Carolina 6-31
W @West Virginia 10-7
W @Temple 57-26
L Virginia Tech 7-21
W Boston College 43-26
W @Syracuse 38-31
W Virginia 31-21 (Carquest Bowl)

Davis had a better record than Golden his first 2 years, I'll give you that, in fact I already have. Never argued that point. What in that list above shows you Davis proved in his first 2 years he was ready to win a championship? You realize Golden has been the coach at Miami for 2 years, so you can't bring up the UCLA win in '98, which was in Davis' 4th year, or the FSU win in '00, which was in Davis' 6th.

What do you mean ready to win a championship? he won the big east those first two years. He was hired in january then sanctions came down. Started off slow and ended the year beating a pretty good syracuse team with nfl players. couldn't go to a bowl game in year 1 due to ncaa issues. he overcame the BS super small recruitng classes and still had Miami respectable while dealing with -30 ships and all the negative BS. 1997 was bad but nothing like the BS that was seen from Golden especially from a defensive stand point.

If davis were here instead of golden miami would have won the acc by now. What Golden is going thru isn't anything compared to butch. I remember it like it was yesturday. If Butch was here he still would get good players even if he didn't get the guys he initially wanted Kinda like when he wanted jerome carter and derrick gibson REAL bad.

 

[Notsince1985]

Why are so many good posters who should know better feeding this lame *** clear agenda driven troll?

What the **** else am I supposed to do during office hours?

 

[Consigliere]

Why are so many good posters who should know better feeding this lame *** clear agenda driven troll?

What the **** else am I supposed to do during office hours?

Agreed.

 

[Notsince1985]

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Davis showed he could win a championship in 1995 and 1996? Those were his first 2 years at Miami. I will post his results below

1995

L @UCLA 8-31
W FAMU 49-3
L @VA Tech 7-13
L @FSU 17-41
W Rutgers 56-21
W @Pitt 17-16
W Temple 36-12
W Baylor 35-14
W @Boston College 17-14
W West Virginia 17-12
W Syracuse 35-24

1996

W @Memphis 30-7
W Citadel 52-6
W @Rutgers 33-0
W Pitt 45-0
L FSU 16-34
L East Carolina 6-31
W @West Virginia 10-7
W @Temple 57-26
L Virginia Tech 7-21
W Boston College 43-26
W @Syracuse 38-31
W Virginia 31-21 (Carquest Bowl)

Davis had a better record than Golden his first 2 years, I'll give you that, in fact I already have. Never argued that point. What in that list above shows you Davis proved in his first 2 years he was ready to win a championship? You realize Golden has been the coach at Miami for 2 years, so you can't bring up the UCLA win in '98, which was in Davis' 4th year, or the FSU win in '00, which was in Davis' 6th.

What do you mean ready to win a championship? he won the big east those first two years. He was hired in january then sanctions came down. Started off slow and ended the year beating a pretty good syracuse team with nfl players. couldn't go to a bowl game in year 1 due to ncaa issues. he overcame the BS super small recruitng classes and still had Miami respectable while dealing with -30 ships and all the negative BS. 1997 was bad but nothing like the BS that was seen from Golden especially from a defensive stand point.

If davis were here instead of golden miami would have won the acc by now. What Golden is going thru isn't anything compared to butch. I remember it like it was yesturday. If Butch was here he still would get good players even if he didn't get the guys he initially wanted Kinda like when he wanted jerome carter and derrick gibson REAL bad.

He shared the Big East with 2 other teams those years, didn't win anything outright. They turned down a bowl (like Golden did) in 95 and went to the Carquest Bowl in 96 while VT took the Big East's Sugar Bowl bid. Sorry, I thought you meant win a national title, which he was close to doing in year 6, not share a Big East title. Golden shared an ACC Coastal title. Yippee all around for both of them. And stop it with the NFL talent crap. The UNC team Golden beat in '11 had as much talent on it as the Syracuse teams of '95 and '96, which were basically McNabb and Rob Konrad and a couple of other guys. There is NFL talent all over the freaking place.

Again, I love what Butch did at Miami, but you're joking (actually trolling) if you think Davis would have won the ACC by now with this bunch.

 

[Newkirk]

Miami hasn't been lacking in recruiting and development. How do you lack in recruiting and development when you have several players drafted off your team, several players make all conference with some even starting games in the nfl? It doesn't make sense.

Miami has been lacking in other coaching related area's like having a dynamic/ innovative coach,someone who understands how to motivate kids, understands personnel/ situational play calling, surrounds himself with the right people whom are all on the same page etc.

Development has clearly been lacking. A lot of the guys who've gone to the pros and carved out a niche or simply made rosters/practice squads grossly underachieved in college.

Recruiting was also on the downturn, both in terms of talent and roster balance.

They under achievded for the reasons I mentioned above. "development" is just a message board cliche people use to sound cute. There's a difference between player developemnt and coaching attributes and how it effects a player.

Recruitng was on the downturn? the best players on this team committed to the former regime. Roster balance? What's this suppose to mean?

9 players are gone from golden's first class. I guess that's a non issue.

So "development" is a cliche but "motivation" and "understanding personnel" are so clearly defined? That's all part of development.

Yes, recruiting was on the downturn. Shannon's classes, especially on defense, got progressively worse. He had, what, 4 or 5 guys committed when he was fired?

As for the 9 guys from Golden's class being gone, attrition happens. That was a huge class (out of necessity). We still have 23 or 24 guys from that group. The problem is when you miss on 9 guys out of a class of 18.

So Miami still has 23-24 guys from Goldens first group of 20 in which 9 players are no longer part of the team let alone contributing. I mean, Shannon's classes got so bad that Godlen's superior recruits can't even surpalnt them for the most part. Yea you're right recruting has fallen off.

9 guys missing form your original class of 20 is now acceptable. SMH.

 

[Newkirk]

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Miami still had a recruiting base, Temple was NOTHING. Miami had a name and tradition and Temple was nothing. Miami was not kicked out of the Big yEAST but Temple was. Miami won a championship recently, Temple went 3-13 and did not having a winning record since 1990. The jobs were not really the same, just the scholarship reductions.

Golden didn't have a defense in 1997...FYI

As usual you're not following either by choice or some personel short coming. What was Miami's recuting base before howard took over? where's boise st's recruitng base? meaningless. When golden came to Temple he made a dam recruitng base. That's what good coaches do. You can easily say Golden amassed the best talent in the MAC. How did he do it? Who gives a **** what went on before you got there. Harvard or Yale has a history. WTF is that doing for them now? OU had a history. Why did they suck in 90's then win a ship in year 2 with stoops? They sucked for close to a decade!

Are we talking about Butch or Howard?

Yup Temple was a great gig, a beast program. Easy to do everything there, Golden had it made. Good point.

ding dong hello? is anybody home? Howard built the team from scratch after years of pathetic results. Just like Golden did at temple. Think just a little before you push post.

 

[Consigliere]

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Miami still had a recruiting base, Temple was NOTHING. Miami had a name and tradition and Temple was nothing. Miami was not kicked out of the Big yEAST but Temple was. Miami won a championship recently, Temple went 3-13 and did not having a winning record since 1990. The jobs were not really the same, just the scholarship reductions.

Golden didn't have a defense in 1997...FYI

As usual you're not following either by choice or some personel short coming. What was Miami's recuting base before howard took over? where's boise st's recruitng base? meaningless. When golden came to Temple he made a dam recruitng base. That's what good coaches do. You can easily say Golden amassed the best talent in the MAC. How did he do it? Who gives a **** what went on before you got there. Harvard or Yale has a history. WTF is that doing for them now? OU had a history. Why did they suck in 90's then win a ship in year 2 with stoops? They sucked for close to a decade!

Are we talking about Butch or Howard?

Yup Temple was a great gig, a beast program. Easy to do everything there, Golden had it made. Good point.

ding dong hello? is anybody home? Howard built the team from scratch after years of pathetic results. Just like Golden did at temple. Think just a little before you push post.

What is the point, we're aware. You're the one belittling Golden's accomplishments you stinkykunt.

 

[Newkirk]

Imagine if they fired Harbaugh after he started with those amazing records at Stanford (4-8 and 5-7). Harbaugh still had a losing record at Stanford after his first THREE SEASONS. Thank Jebus they gave him a chance. Thank Jebus he got a chance to rebuild Stanford after the program was dormant for a long time.

You are retarded by the way.

Wrong and you miss my total point as usual. Harbaugh showed flashes on the field most notably by beating #1 ranked USC in year 1 iirc. It's the same as when butch beat ucla.

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

You don't have a point, you're just a retarded stinky **** with an agenda that is trying to mope this place up with topics beaten to death.

Harbaugh also lost to the following his first year

Washington (4-9)
Washington State (5-7)
Notre Dame (3-9)
Washington State (5-7)
UCLA (6-7)

5 Losses against teams with a losing record. Way to go Jim, you beat #2 USC that is more important that beating teams with losing records. If you did lose to USC, you would have been fired!!!!

You have to remember that Golden is 44 years old and has only been an HC since 2006. Here are some coaches that have moved on to promotions underneath him.

Jedd Fisch: OC for the Jaguars
McDonald: OC for Syracuse
Matt Rhule: HC for Temple

Your going to have slip ups like that and btw, you don't wanna compare the players harbaugh took over to what golden took over cause you will look even worse than you already do.

Like I said, golden would get a pass if he managed an on field notable performance or Atleast showed some flashes of being dynamic on game days. He's done neither.

Are you done with Golden surrounding himself with a talented staff?

Random Question

Over the first two seasons: would you rather go 9-15 and beat #2 USC or go 13-11 and be ineligible for two bowl games while dealing with the NCAA mess?

SMH. Go look at Harbaugh's staff at stanford oe even davis"s staff in 2000 then get back with me.

 

[Newkirk]

Miami still had a recruiting base, Temple was NOTHING. Miami had a name and tradition and Temple was nothing. Miami was not kicked out of the Big yEAST but Temple was. Miami won a championship recently, Temple went 3-13 and did not having a winning record since 1990. The jobs were not really the same, just the scholarship reductions.

Golden didn't have a defense in 1997...FYI

As usual you're not following either by choice or some personel short coming. What was Miami's recuting base before howard took over? where's boise st's recruitng base? meaningless. When golden came to Temple he made a dam recruitng base. That's what good coaches do. You can easily say Golden amassed the best talent in the MAC. How did he do it? Who gives a **** what went on before you got there. Harvard or Yale has a history. WTF is that doing for them now? OU had a history. Why did they suck in 90's then win a ship in year 2 with stoops? They sucked for close to a decade!

Are we talking about Butch or Howard?

Yup Temple was a great gig, a beast program. Easy to do everything there, Golden had it made. Good point.

ding dong hello? is anybody home? Howard built the team from scratch after years of pathetic results. Just like Golden did at temple. Think just a little before you push post.

What is the point, we're aware. You're the one belittling Golden's accomplishments you stinkykunt.

What accomplishments? I've acknowledge his work at temple and his consequnet underacheivement job. What else has he accomplished on the field that Ive missed? I'll wait. I've seen this movie before.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Davis showed he could win a championship in 1995 and 1996? Those were his first 2 years at Miami. I will post his results below

1995

L @UCLA 8-31
W FAMU 49-3
L @VA Tech 7-13
L @FSU 17-41
W Rutgers 56-21
W @Pitt 17-16
W Temple 36-12
W Baylor 35-14
W @Boston College 17-14
W West Virginia 17-12
W Syracuse 35-24

1996

W @Memphis 30-7
W Citadel 52-6
W @Rutgers 33-0
W Pitt 45-0
L FSU 16-34
L East Carolina 6-31
W @West Virginia 10-7
W @Temple 57-26
L Virginia Tech 7-21
W Boston College 43-26
W @Syracuse 38-31
W Virginia 31-21 (Carquest Bowl)

Davis had a better record than Golden his first 2 years, I'll give you that, in fact I already have. Never argued that point. What in that list above shows you Davis proved in his first 2 years he was ready to win a championship? You realize Golden has been the coach at Miami for 2 years, so you can't bring up the UCLA win in '98, which was in Davis' 4th year, or the FSU win in '00, which was in Davis' 6th.

What do you mean ready to win a championship? he won the big east those first two years. He was hired in january then sanctions came down. Started off slow and ended the year beating a pretty good syracuse team with nfl players. couldn't go to a bowl game in year 1 due to ncaa issues. he overcame the BS super small recruitng classes and still had Miami respectable while dealing with -30 ships and all the negative BS. 1997 was bad but nothing like the BS that was seen from Golden especially from a defensive stand point.

If davis were here instead of golden miami would have won the acc by now. What Golden is going thru isn't anything compared to butch. I remember it like it was yesturday. If Butch was here he still would get good players even if he didn't get the guys he initially wanted Kinda like when he wanted jerome carter and derrick gibson REAL bad.

He shared the Big East with 2 other teams those years, didn't win anything outright. They turned down a bowl (like Golden did) in 95 and went to the Carquest Bowl in 96 while VT took the Big East's Sugar Bowl bid. Sorry, I thought you meant win a national title, which he was close to doing in year 6, not share a Big East title. Golden shared an ACC Coastal title. Yippee all around for both of them. And stop it with the NFL talent crap. The UNC team Golden beat in '11 had as much talent on it as the Syracuse teams of '95 and '96, which were basically McNabb and Rob Konrad and a couple of other guys. There is NFL talent all over the freaking place.

Again, I love what Butch did at Miami, but you're joking (actually trolling) if you think Davis would have won the ACC by now with this bunch.

Butch also inherited a program that went 52-8 the previous 5 years. Golden rolled in with a program that went 35-29 the previous 5 years. What Butch did after sanctions was miraculous, but he also created the grayshirt concept which definitely ****ed the NCAA off but worked within the rules. What I love about Golden is he's doing something just as creative as Butch. He's taking in 5th year transfers who have experience and can help immediately. Need a punter? Bring in an All-Conference punter from South Florida who always wanted to play for Miami. Need a cornerback? Bring in Mike Williams. Need a defensive end who can rush the pass? Hello, David Gilbert. Although he's not from South Florida, need a stout defensive tackle. Well, bring in Renfro who he recruited out of Philly.

 

[CanesAreAble]

So Miami still has 23-24 guys from Goldens first group of 20 in which 9 players are no longer part of the team let alone contributing. I mean, Shannon's classes got so bad that Godlen's superior recruits can't even surpalnt them for the most part. Yea you're right recruting has fallen off.

9 guys missing form your original class of 20 is now acceptable. SMH.

Oh wait, you're counting the patchwork class of 2011?

Golden had a month to put that class together. You know **** well one month isn't long enough to recruit from the bottom up. You have to cultivate relationships with coaches and players.

BTW I'm only seeing 7 guys who left the program.

 

[Consigliere]

As usual you're not following either by choice or some personel short coming. What was Miami's recuting base before howard took over? where's boise st's recruitng base? meaningless. When golden came to Temple he made a dam recruitng base. That's what good coaches do. You can easily say Golden amassed the best talent in the MAC. How did he do it? Who gives a **** what went on before you got there. Harvard or Yale has a history. WTF is that doing for them now? OU had a history. Why did they suck in 90's then win a ship in year 2 with stoops? They sucked for close to a decade!

Are we talking about Butch or Howard?

Yup Temple was a great gig, a beast program. Easy to do everything there, Golden had it made. Good point.

ding dong hello? is anybody home? Howard built the team from scratch after years of pathetic results. Just like Golden did at temple. Think just a little before you push post.

What is the point, we're aware. You're the one belittling Golden's accomplishments you stinkykunt.

What accomplishments? I've acknowledge his work at temple and his consequnet underacheivement job. What else has he accomplished on the field that Ive missed? I'll wait. I've seen this movie before.

Again, this has been stated. Your opinion, which is irrelevant, on Golden's career achievements got him THIS JOB and other offers as well. Keep up the good work you mopey troll!

 

[Hurracanes]

I think we are making this game to be far bigger than what it actually is, and I say this knowing I probably want this game more than anyone else. First of all, this is not Florida State 2000, that team was the #1 team in the country and defending champs. That game put us on the map and we were building a monster team. Additionally, FSU won out the rest of the regular season and lost at the national title game. If Miami were to lose this Saturday, it doesn`t mean the season is over, this could still be a successful season.

This game reminds me very much of the OU game in 2010, which was a big game at the time and was suppose to be the "we back" game, then we wet the bed and OU ended losing 5 or 6 games. Untill Miami proves it can win a big game and win the ones they are suppose to win, I won't be reading too much into any game.

I just do not believe we have the depth nor the talent to be a serious contender's this year. That may take place next year assuming we can replace Morris with a solid QB.

 

[Consigliere]

Wrong and you miss my total point as usual. Harbaugh showed flashes on the field most notably by beating #1 ranked USC in year 1 iirc. It's the same as when butch beat ucla.

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

You don't have a point, you're just a retarded stinky **** with an agenda that is trying to mope this place up with topics beaten to death.

Harbaugh also lost to the following his first year

Washington (4-9)
Washington State (5-7)
Notre Dame (3-9)
Washington State (5-7)
UCLA (6-7)

5 Losses against teams with a losing record. Way to go Jim, you beat #2 USC that is more important that beating teams with losing records. If you did lose to USC, you would have been fired!!!!

You have to remember that Golden is 44 years old and has only been an HC since 2006. Here are some coaches that have moved on to promotions underneath him.

Jedd Fisch: OC for the Jaguars
McDonald: OC for Syracuse
Matt Rhule: HC for Temple

Your going to have slip ups like that and btw, you don't wanna compare the players harbaugh took over to what golden took over cause you will look even worse than you already do.

Like I said, golden would get a pass if he managed an on field notable performance or Atleast showed some flashes of being dynamic on game days. He's done neither.

Are you done with Golden surrounding himself with a talented staff?

Random Question

Over the first two seasons: would you rather go 9-15 and beat #2 USC or go 13-11 and be ineligible for two bowl games while dealing with the NCAA mess?

SMH. Go look at Harbaugh's staff at stanford oe even davis"s staff in 2000 then get back with me.

KunTroll keep up the good work!

 

[Newkirk]

Davis showed he can win a championship. This while facing -30 ships and all that negative crap you guys use as an excuse for golden. He didnt have a defense as bad as golden did in 1997 when the -30 ships effect came to a head.

Golden is suppose to be this great recruiter yet people are still crying about talent and depth in year 3.

Davis showed he could win a championship in 1995 and 1996? Those were his first 2 years at Miami. I will post his results below

1995

L @UCLA 8-31
W FAMU 49-3
L @VA Tech 7-13
L @FSU 17-41
W Rutgers 56-21
W @Pitt 17-16
W Temple 36-12
W Baylor 35-14
W @Boston College 17-14
W West Virginia 17-12
W Syracuse 35-24

1996

W @Memphis 30-7
W Citadel 52-6
W @Rutgers 33-0
W Pitt 45-0
L FSU 16-34
L East Carolina 6-31
W @West Virginia 10-7
W @Temple 57-26
L Virginia Tech 7-21
W Boston College 43-26
W @Syracuse 38-31
W Virginia 31-21 (Carquest Bowl)

Davis had a better record than Golden his first 2 years, I'll give you that, in fact I already have. Never argued that point. What in that list above shows you Davis proved in his first 2 years he was ready to win a championship? You realize Golden has been the coach at Miami for 2 years, so you can't bring up the UCLA win in '98, which was in Davis' 4th year, or the FSU win in '00, which was in Davis' 6th.

What do you mean ready to win a championship? he won the big east those first two years. He was hired in january then sanctions came down. Started off slow and ended the year beating a pretty good syracuse team with nfl players. couldn't go to a bowl game in year 1 due to ncaa issues. he overcame the BS super small recruitng classes and still had Miami respectable while dealing with -30 ships and all the negative BS. 1997 was bad but nothing like the BS that was seen from Golden especially from a defensive stand point.

If davis were here instead of golden miami would have won the acc by now. What Golden is going thru isn't anything compared to butch. I remember it like it was yesturday. If Butch was here he still would get good players even if he didn't get the guys he initially wanted Kinda like when he wanted jerome carter and derrick gibson REAL bad.

He shared the Big East with 2 other teams those years, didn't win anything outright. They turned down a bowl (like Golden did) in 95 and went to the Carquest Bowl in 96 while VT took the Big East's Sugar Bowl bid. Sorry, I thought you meant win a national title, which he was close to doing in year 6, not share a Big East title. Golden shared an ACC Coastal title. Yippee all around for both of them. And stop it with the NFL talent crap. The UNC team Golden beat in '11 had as much talent on it as the Syracuse teams of '95 and '96, which were basically McNabb and Rob Konrad and a couple of other guys. There is NFL talent all over the freaking place.

Again, I love what Butch did at Miami, but you're joking (actually trolling) if you think Davis would have won the ACC by now with this bunch.

Butch also inherited a program that went 52-8 the previous 5 years. Golden rolled in with a program that went 35-29 the previous 5 years. What Butch did after sanctions was miraculous, but he also created the grayshirt concept which definitely ****ed the NCAA off but worked within the rules. What I love about Golden is he's doing something just as creative as Butch. He's taking in 5th year transfers who have experience and can help immediately. Need a punter? Bring in an All-Conference punter from South Florida who always wanted to play for Miami. Need a cornerback? Bring in Mike Williams. Need a defensive end who can rush the pass? Hello, David Gilbert. Although he's not from South Florida, need a stout defensive tackle. Well, bring in Renfro who he recruited out of Philly.

Golden took over a program from a coach who underachieved so previous year recod doesn't mean anything. Go look at Michigan. 15-22 before current coach arrives goes 11-2 in year 1.

The problem with what Golden is doing is it's short term based and the players he's bringing aren't really making that big of an impact. Again, Michigan needed a CB. Coach recruits Toussant who starts as a true frosh.

He's bringing in these short term solutions and not getting any results. Brings in Daruis Smith..he can't even start for the worst defense in Miami history. This years crop remains to be seen but based on what's been seen...

 

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So Miami still has 23-24 guys from Goldens first group of 20 in which 9 players are no longer part of the team let alone contributing. I mean, Shannon's classes got so bad that Godlen's superior recruits can't even surpalnt them for the most part. Yea you're right recruting has fallen off.

9 guys missing form your original class of 20 is now acceptable. SMH.

Oh wait, you're counting the patchwork class of 2011?

Golden had a month to put that class together. You know **** well one month isn't long enough to recruit from the bottom up. You have to cultivate relationships with coaches and players.

BTW I'm only seeing 7 guys who left the program.

So how can stoops, Carrol, tressel, saban etc do it in less time? Don't act like Golden is the first coach in ncaa history to have to recruit with limited time after getting hired.