Talking to DMoney earlier, is this UF game...

[LexCane55]

I have been comparing it to 2000 FSU for a while

Its a "WE BACK" GAME

 

[Notsince1985]

Disagree. Big game? Yes but nothing like 1999 or 2000 in terms of personnel, coaching, team getting over the hump, position of team, team make up etc. Miami could win this game and then lose to some garbage 4-8 team. Atleast with Davis you pretty much knew you were going to beat the teams you were suppose to beat. With golden you don't know that.

What was Butch's record against East Carolina? Butch lost to Pitt. He lost to West Virginia.

Butch lost to Pitt and wvu in 1997 amist -30 ships. Not even close to what I'm talking about. Don't understand why people trash Davis to build up golden. It's silly.

I'm not trashing Butch, I'll defend Butch any day. I don't understand why you trash and have trashed Golden from day 1 on this site and others under this name and others.

 

[Newkirk]

Disagree. Big game? Yes but nothing like 1999 or 2000 in terms of personnel, coaching, team getting over the hump, position of team, team make up etc. Miami could win this game and then lose to some garbage 4-8 team. Atleast with Davis you pretty much knew you were going to beat the teams you were suppose to beat. With golden you don't know that.

What was Butch's record against East Carolina? Butch lost to Pitt. He lost to West Virginia.

Butch lost to Pitt and wvu in 1997 amist -30 ships. Not even close to what I'm talking about. Don't understand why people trash Davis to build up golden. It's silly.

I'm not trashing Butch, I'll defend Butch any day. I don't understand why you trash and have trashed Golden from day 1 on this site and others under this name and others.

You just did try to trash butch right here In Front of my eye's. Then you topped that with a baseless accusation. Smh. Pathetic.

 

[Notsince1985]

Disagree. Big game? Yes but nothing like 1999 or 2000 in terms of personnel, coaching, team getting over the hump, position of team, team make up etc. Miami could win this game and then lose to some garbage 4-8 team. Atleast with Davis you pretty much knew you were going to beat the teams you were suppose to beat. With golden you don't know that.

What was Butch's record against East Carolina? Butch lost to Pitt. He lost to West Virginia.

Butch lost to Pitt and wvu in 1997 amist -30 ships. Not even close to what I'm talking about. Don't understand why people trash Davis to build up golden. It's silly.

I'm not trashing Butch, I'll defend Butch any day. I don't understand why you trash and have trashed Golden from day 1 on this site and others under this name and others.

You just did try to trash butch right here In Front of my eye's. Then you topped that with a baseless accusation. Smh. Pathetic.

No, I didn't. I asked what Butch's record against ECU was. It was 0-2. The '96 ECU team did not go to a bowl. The '99 ECU team was good, but not a team Miami should have lost to. The '97 WVU team was 7-5 and the '97 Pitt team was 6-6. You throw out sanctions as reasons for Butch being handicapped, which is great and I fully understand and appreciate, but yet he gets a pass from you, but Golden gets ripped for losing to Maryland when Harris, Spence, Benjamin, Vernon, Armstrong and countless others were suspended in his first game as coach. Talk about smh, pathetic.

 

[Newkirk]

What was Butch's record against East Carolina? Butch lost to Pitt. He lost to West Virginia.

Butch lost to Pitt and wvu in 1997 amist -30 ships. Not even close to what I'm talking about. Don't understand why people trash Davis to build up golden. It's silly.

I'm not trashing Butch, I'll defend Butch any day. I don't understand why you trash and have trashed Golden from day 1 on this site and others under this name and others.

You just did try to trash butch right here In Front of my eye's. Then you topped that with a baseless accusation. Smh. Pathetic.

No, I didn't. I asked what Butch's record against ECU was. It was 0-2. The '96 ECU team did not go to a bowl. The '99 ECU team was good, but not a team Miami should have lost to. The '97 WVU team was 7-5 and the '97 Pitt team was 6-6. You throw out sanctions as reasons for Butch being handicapped, which is great and I fully understand and appreciate, but yet he gets a pass from you, but Golden gets ripped for losing to Maryland when Harris, Spence, Benjamin, Vernon, Armstrong and countless others were suspended in his first game as coach. Talk about smh, pathetic.

Your intentions were clear as day. Down play Davis to build up golden.

Give me one good reason why Miami shouldn't lose to a 9 win east Carolina team featuring a future starting nfl qb? I can give you plenty of reason why Miami shouldn't lose to 2-10 Maryland team ( with suspensions) 4-8 bc or a 4-8 Virginia team.

Even with the suspensions Miami trotted out Morris, 2 rb's, 2 wr's good enough to make nfl rosters and plenty of talent of the o-line. On defense miami sill had ample talent to compete against marylands less than stellar offensive lineup including a qb who was benched due to ineffectiveness. Maryland also had some injuries occur during the game to starters most notably one of the starting dt's. coaching played a large role in miami's loss to 2-10 Maryland not the suspensions. Then a basically full strength Miami team loses to bc at home. For that reason golden gets no pass from me. Golden hasn't shown any growth as a hc on the field.

Davis on the other hand won the big east twice, beat ucla and pretty much beat everyone he was suppose to despite -30 ships. He also surrounded himself with better coaches so he gets a pass from me losing to east Carolina featuring an nfl qb and choking away a 20-3 lead. Davis showed growth as a coach. Golden has not. That's the difference here.

Golden has zero notable performances coaching wise or performance wise in his career. He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem. That's was part of Shannon's problem.

And it's not like Maryland was some super deep team. They went 2-10 in 2011 then came back with a less then stellar 4-8 record with a new coach. They have 1 nfl player from that 2-10 2011 team.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

 

[CanesAreAble]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

 

[Notsince1985]

No, Davis did not beat everyone he was supposed to beat. He lost to a 5-6 UCLA team, he lost to VA Tech 5 years in a row when we had more talent some of those years. In spite of the sanctions, we had more talent than WVU and Pitt. I don't care if ECU had an NFL QB, Miami had NFL players all over that freakin roster.

As to your other points, of course Davis, over his career won MANY more big games than Golden. Davis was a great coach for UM and did AMAZING things at UM. I'm not a blind follower of Golden, and I'm not a Davis basher. I was merely using an example to show he was not as great as you remember early on, and you think it's ok to use the sanction card for Davis, but not ok to use the suspension card for Golden. I don't care how bad Maryland was, and they were G-d awful (and not Golden should not have lost that game), one loss with 10? 11 players, including many of your best players suspended should not still be brought up and used against him.

As for Golden, no, he has not won a big game, or at least a game against a team that ended the season being good, because Ohio State was highly ranked when they won that one. I never said Golden had, and I never said Golden was better than Butch or would be. In fact, if Golden doesn't start winning soon, I will be on him too, but soon for me is not now, and it's definitely not the past.

 

[k9cane]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

Here's an article written about it recently: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/58915236/

 

[Newkirk]

No, Davis did not beat everyone he was supposed to beat. He lost to a 5-6 UCLA team, he lost to VA Tech 5 years in a row when we had more talent some of those years. In spite of the sanctions, we had more talent than WVU and Pitt. I don't care if ECU had an NFL QB, Miami had NFL players all over that freakin roster.

As to your other points, of course Davis, over his career won MANY more big games than Golden. Davis was a great coach for UM and did AMAZING things at UM. I'm not a blind follower of Golden, and I'm not a Davis basher. I was merely using an example to show he was not as great as you remember early on, and you think it's ok to use the sanction card for Davis, but not ok to use the suspension card for Golden. I don't care how bad Maryland was, and they were G-d awful (and not Golden should not have lost that game), one loss with 10? 11 players, including many of your best players suspended should not still be brought up and used against him.

As for Golden, no, he has not won a big game, or at least a game against a team that ended the season being good, because Ohio State was highly ranked when they won that one. I never said Golden had, and I never said Golden was better than Butch or would be. In fact, if Golden doesn't start winning soon, I will be on him too, but soon for me is not now, and it's definitely not the past.

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

 

[CanesAreAble]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

Here's an article written about it recently: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/58915236/

Good article.

I remember reading another article about how broken that program was.

When Golden got there, one of the players gave him (or one of the assistant coaches) a list of who would be starting on defense. The coaches were like, "Da fugg?"

It was straight out of Remember the Titans when they were like, "We don't need any of your guys on defense."

 

[TheEye]

Confidence alone does not make you win games. Overconfidence does make you lose. Remember when we beat #2 Virginia Tech with the "Great" Marcus Vick? We didn't even win the Coastal. This game is mostly for recruits. If they see us beat an SEC rival team, it will show the Canes are worth staying home for.

 

[Newkirk]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

9 wins is nice but he didnt win the Mac which is what I mean. Sorry if you have lower standards I will be much clearer next time. You could probably get away with saying golden had the most talent in the Mac yet he did nothing interms of championships in year 4-5.

He did a great job turning that thing around but this type of thing has been seen before in college football. **** look at Miami before Howard came..he turned this place around. They were thinking about shutting miami down. Who cares? that mere fact didnt effect howard at all. Stanford was garbage before harbaugh got there. Boise st is in the middle of nowhere etc etc. plenty of examples out there.

 

[Consigliere]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

9 wins is nice but he didnt win the Mac which is what I mean. Sorry if you have lower standards I will be much clearer next time. You could probably get away with saying golden had the most talent in the Mac yet he did nothing interms of championships in year 4-5.

He did a great job turning that thing around but this type of thing has been seen before in college football. **** look at Miami before Howard came..he turned this place around. They were thinking about shutting miami down. Who cares? that mere fact didnt effect howard at all. Stanford was garbage before harbaugh got there. Boise st is in the middle of nowhere etc etc. plenty of examples out there.

Imagine if they fired Harbaugh after he started with those amazing records at Stanford (4-8 and 5-7). Harbaugh still had a losing record at Stanford after his first THREE SEASONS. Thank Jebus they gave him a chance. Thank Jebus he got a chance to rebuild Stanford after the program was dormant for a long time.

You are retarded by the way.

 

[CanesAreAble]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

9 wins is nice but he didnt win the Mac which is what I mean. Sorry if you have lower standards I will be much clearer next time. You could probably get away with saying golden had the most talent in the Mac yet he did nothing interms of championships in year 4-5.

He did a great job turning that thing around but this type of thing has been seen before in college football. **** look at Miami before Howard came..he turned this place around. They were thinking about shutting miami down. Who cares? that mere fact didnt effect howard at all. Stanford was garbage before harbaugh got there. Boise st is in the middle of nowhere etc etc. plenty of examples out there.

Golden is the one who amassed arguably the most talent in the MAC. Golden's specialty is exactly where we've been lacking: recruiting and development.

BTW Golden probably wins the MAC if Bernard Pierce doesn't get injured at the end of '09 and '10.

 

[Newkirk]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

Here's an article written about it recently: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/58915236/

Good article.

I remember reading another article about how broken that program was.

When Golden got there, one of the players gave him (or one of the assistant coaches) a list of who would be starting on defense. The coaches were like, "Da fugg?"

It was straight out of Remember the Titans when they were like, "We don't need any of your guys on defense."

Nice article. Very sweet and touching. Golden did a nice job. As we've seen thru out cfb history these type of turnarounds are not uncommon starting with yours truly. The past doesn't mean anything when you bring in the right coach who in turns surrounds himself with the right people and brings in good players.

If you amass the most talent by year 4 rather your talking over a program that has failed for 49 years or a brand new one you should show signs as a coach of improvement when it comes to taking that next step. If you don't get it done in year 4 you should show something in year 5.

Look at miami's record years prior to Howard talking over. None of that meant a thing to Howard. He came in, worked his plan, brought in payers and evolved on the field as a coach.

 

[Consigliere]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

Here's an article written about it recently: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/58915236/

Good article.

I remember reading another article about how broken that program was.

When Golden got there, one of the players gave him (or one of the assistant coaches) a list of who would be starting on defense. The coaches were like, "Da fugg?"

It was straight out of Remember the Titans when they were like, "We don't need any of your guys on defense."

Nice article. Very sweet and touching. Golden did a nice job. As we've seen thru out cfb history these type of turnarounds are not uncommon starting with yours truly. The past doesn't mean anything when you bring in the right coach who in turns surrounds himself with the right people and brings in good players.

If you amass the most talent by year 4 rather your talking over a program that has failed for 49 years or a brand new one you should show signs as a coach of improvement when it comes to taking that next step. If you don't get it done in year 4 you should show something in year 5.

Look at miami's record years prior to Howard talking over. None of that meant a thing to Howard. He came in, worked his plan, brought in payers and evolved on the field as a coach.

Huh

 

[Notsince1985]

No, Davis did not beat everyone he was supposed to beat. He lost to a 5-6 UCLA team, he lost to VA Tech 5 years in a row when we had more talent some of those years. In spite of the sanctions, we had more talent than WVU and Pitt. I don't care if ECU had an NFL QB, Miami had NFL players all over that freakin roster.

As to your other points, of course Davis, over his career won MANY more big games than Golden. Davis was a great coach for UM and did AMAZING things at UM. I'm not a blind follower of Golden, and I'm not a Davis basher. I was merely using an example to show he was not as great as you remember early on, and you think it's ok to use the sanction card for Davis, but not ok to use the suspension card for Golden. I don't care how bad Maryland was, and they were G-d awful (and not Golden should not have lost that game), one loss with 10? 11 players, including many of your best players suspended should not still be brought up and used against him.

As for Golden, no, he has not won a big game, or at least a game against a team that ended the season being good, because Ohio State was highly ranked when they won that one. I never said Golden had, and I never said Golden was better than Butch or would be. In fact, if Golden doesn't start winning soon, I will be on him too, but soon for me is not now, and it's definitely not the past.

Ucla was 7-5 not 5-6. Your trying to hard and since you can't read I said he pretty much beat everybody he needed to beat. He gets a pass from me cause he showed signs of evolving as a coach. Golden has not.

You're right, UCLA was a mighty 7-5, but they were coming off a 5-6 season. Anyway, we got embarrassed 31-8. What had Davis shown in his 3rd year that he had evolved as a coach that Golden has not shown?

 

[Newkirk]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

9 wins is nice but he didnt win the Mac which is what I mean. Sorry if you have lower standards I will be much clearer next time. You could probably get away with saying golden had the most talent in the Mac yet he did nothing interms of championships in year 4-5.

He did a great job turning that thing around but this type of thing has been seen before in college football. **** look at Miami before Howard came..he turned this place around. They were thinking about shutting miami down. Who cares? that mere fact didnt effect howard at all. Stanford was garbage before harbaugh got there. Boise st is in the middle of nowhere etc etc. plenty of examples out there.

Imagine if they fired Harbaugh after he started with those amazing records at Stanford (4-8 and 5-7). Harbaugh still had a losing record at Stanford after his first THREE SEASONS. Thank Jebus they gave him a chance. Thank Jebus he got a chance to rebuild Stanford after the program was dormant for a long time.

You are retarded by the way.

Wrong and you miss my total point as usual. Harbaugh showed flashes on the field most notably by beating #1 ranked USC in year 1 iirc. It's the same as when butch beat ucla.

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

 

[CanesAreAble]

He showed at temple that he can get some good players but he did nothing with them which is a problem.

Going from 0 wins to 9 wins is nothing?

We all know you have an agenda, so I'm sure you'll continue to downplay this, but that program was on the brink of reclassifying.

Here's an article written about it recently: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/58915236/

Good article.

I remember reading another article about how broken that program was.

When Golden got there, one of the players gave him (or one of the assistant coaches) a list of who would be starting on defense. The coaches were like, "Da fugg?"

It was straight out of Remember the Titans when they were like, "We don't need any of your guys on defense."

Nice article. Very sweet and touching. Golden did a nice job. As we've seen thru out cfb history these type of turnarounds are not uncommon starting with yours truly. The past doesn't mean anything when you bring in the right coach who in turns surrounds himself with the right people and brings in good players.

If you amass the most talent by year 4 rather your talking over a program that has failed for 49 years or a brand new one you should show signs as a coach of improvement when it comes to taking that next step. If you don't get it done in year 4 you should show something in year 5.

Look at miami's record years prior to Howard talking over. None of that meant a thing to Howard. He came in, worked his plan, brought in payers and evolved on the field as a coach.

Golden is undoubtedly a good coach.

Is he a legend and a visionary like Howard? Unlikely.

But we can win big with a good coach. Unless you get lucky and find that unproven diamond-in-the-rough, or have the cash to lure a guy who's proven to be elite at a big program, you're not going to do significantly better than Golden right now.

We're barely into year three. Every coach deserves AT LEAST three full seasons. ****, I gave Shannon 3.5.

 

[CanesAreAble]

Harbaugh also surrounded himself with an excellent staff.

Harbaugh is also one of the best coaches in the NFL.

We probably could've had him after the stint at San Diego, but who knew he was going to be THIS good back then?