Spoke to someone close to the Coley situation (non-Miami)

[Canesfan1899]

Fisch, had lamer Miller and Duke Johnson to thank for his career here at Miami...took some heat off Jacory and Stephen.

I think his career was made when he got the turnover machines we he had at QB to stop throwing to the other team.

 

[Consigliere]

This hire to me would depend on what Golden thinks his upside is. Some coaches improve greatly with experience, others don't.

This, Golden knows he needs to start winning and that the offense is ready to roll, if he thinks Coley is the man for the job I'll trust his judgement.

I also believe we would have to get rid of a coach to bring in an QB coach, so I'm assuming whomever we bring as OC will also be the QB coach.

We get it. We trust the guy, we trust his hires. But since nothing is official and nobody signed....CAN WE FUCCCCCCKING DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS? Please, on a message board can we discuss it.

Coley coaches TEs at FSU. A hire like this is great for recruiting, it shoves in FSUs face but it hurts us where we really need it.

 

[Consigliere]

My concern, do we bring in a guy who hasn't been a successful OC so far to date with an offense as good as we have right now? With the schedule breaking down as it did, this team could do big things this year with the senior QB and the loads of talent on offense. I don't want to waste this year. If Golden picks this guy then so be it, In Al I trust, but maybe a seasoned guy is the way to go.

Smart man and filled with logic.

 

[gcane44]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

 

[canesdude]

I would take this hire for many reasons:
He would be fine as OC, recruiting would be even better and the noles would be on meltdown.

 

[drifters1234]

I see your point/ But as devils advocate You could substitute the name Fisch everywhere it says Coley.

Not sure how I would feel about this. Would it be a massive blow to FSU? Yes. Would it put us in a better position to compete nationally? Don't think so. Coley's got 1 year of playcalling experience for a terrible football team. I'd prefer a professional playcaller, but that's just me. As usual, I'll ride with GoldenAl.

not really. fisch had some NFL experience before coming here, and he was widely regarded in nfl circles as an outstanding coach. by contrast, coley is universally considered an outstanding recruiter, but there is very little in terms of his reputation as a coach.

 

[Peruche]

So JimBob goes after our top recruits by offering their best friends a scholly too.... Now "The Golden One" raises the stakes by going after JimBob's OC & best recruiter......

Brillant!!!!

This is a recruiting cycle to be remembered my friends........

 

[drifters1234]

How much would getting James Coley help with getting Stacy Coley?

i sure hope we aren't basing our offensive coordinator selection on the impact it will have on a couple of recruits vs. playcalling ability. notwithstanding some comments here, i'd be shocked if Golden employed that methodology.

 

[Consigliere]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

First of all the year is not very relevant it is what actually happened there that matters. In 2007, FIU was 1-11 and the team averaged 15 PPG. In 2006, FIU averaged 9.58 PPG. The bottom line is in both years FIU was dead last in scoring. I understand 5+ PPG improvement but big deal. It was garbage.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-international/2006-schedule.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-international/2007-schedule.html

Second of all, calm down and stop negging me because I was off by a year.

Third, the point that matters is that he lacks playing calling and QB coaching experience. This is what I am focused on. This is it. I understand he is a great recruiter but I am concerned with Xs and Os.

 

[gcane44]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

First of all the year is not very relevant it is what actually happened there that matters. In 2007, FIU was 1-11 and the team averaged 15 PPG. In 2006, FIU averaged 9.58 PPG. The bottom line is in both years FIU was dead last in scoring. I understand 5+ PPG improvement but big deal. It was garbage.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-international/2006-schedule.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-international/2007-schedule.html

Second of all, calm down and stop negging me because I was off by a year.

Third, the point that matters is that he lacks playing calling and QB coaching experience. This is what I am focused on. This is it. I understand he is a great recruiter but I am concerned with Xs and Os.

I negged you because you falsely corrected someone who had the right info and tried to make some sort of point out of it

 

[The Franchise]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

There are enough negatives related to bringing Coley in as OC that we don't need to re-invent when he worked at fiu. 15 ppg is really nothing to crow about anyway.

I hate his offensive mentor, and I hate the fact that he only called plays for one year and was a miserable failure. I also don't like that he has no pedigree grooming QBs.

Upside is that he's supposedly a great recruiter.

Seems like everything else being mentioned about him is wing and a prayer type stuff (i.e., he might do what Fish did because Fish's resume' wasn't so great either).

I'm not going to get worked up over it either way because D$$$ said Al hasn't even talked to Coley yet. So, it seems like this is probably in the early rumor stages.

 

[drifters1234]

Why? Because he worked at FSU? Come on man.

I want number 6 and I don't care how we get it. You think you'll mind that Coley is on the sideline when you see 6, Ermon Lane, Chad Thomas, Stacy Coley, Alex Collins, Sony, Dalvin, and the like are tearing it up on the way to a National Championship? **** No.

Yes, that is exactly why.

This staff already has great recruiters.

This team needs a teacher at OC. Someone that will develop our QBs.

Fisch didn't start teaching QBs until he got the Minnesota job as offensive coordinator. Coley actually was OC/QB coach at Norland and at FIU. He might know a little bit about teaching the position as well.

What QBs has Coley developed?

Jacory and Morris both had their best years under Fisch

We need a QB guy.

What QBs had Fisch developed before he got here? He was terrible at Minnesota. He had a finish product in Hasselbeck at Seattle.

so you're minimizing fishch's talents going in to U, despite him having been in the NFL for a number of years building a reputation in coaching circles as an upcoming talent. then you're attempting to maximize Coley's qb/OC coaching background based on his experiences at an f'n high school?! this argument is not convincing.

 

[KLCane]

Does anyone know Coley's twitter name? I have tried finding it to no avail.

 

[Consigliere]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

First of all the year is not very relevant it is what actually happened there that matters. In 2007, FIU was 1-11 and the team averaged 15 PPG. In 2006, FIU averaged 9.58 PPG. The bottom line is in both years FIU was dead last in scoring. I understand 5+ PPG improvement but big deal. It was garbage.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-international/2006-schedule.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-international/2007-schedule.html

Second of all, calm down and stop negging me because I was off by a year.

Third, the point that matters is that he lacks playing calling and QB coaching experience. This is what I am focused on. This is it. I understand he is a great recruiter but I am concerned with Xs and Os.

I negged you because you falsely corrected someone who had the right info and tried to make some sort of point out of it

The point still matters. He is not a good OC. Extremely good recruiter YES. But he is not a good OC.

 

[Consigliere]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

There are enough negatives related to bringing Coley in as OC that we don't need to re-invent when he worked at fiu. 15 ppg is really nothing to crow about anyway.

I hate his offensive mentor, and I hate the fact that he only called plays for one year and was a miserable failure. I also don't like that he has no pedigree grooming QBs.

Upside is that he's supposedly a great recruiter.

Seems like everything else being mentioned about him is wing and a prayer type stuff (i.e., he might do what Fish did because Fish's resume' wasn't so great either).

I'm not going to get worked up over it either way because D$$$ said Al hasn't even talked to Coley yet. So, it seems like this is probably in the early rumor stages.

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Please AG hire this man pleeeease.

We get everyone with this hire

 

[The Franchise]

Does anyone know Coley's twitter name? I have tried finding it to no avail.

@wiggernole

 

[drifters1234]

I dont care. Fisch isnt on trial, Coley is. Fisch laid the groundwork for what we need at OC.

Miami can do better than Coley.

So then you were saying the same when Fisch was hired. Thanks for making our point.

No, not at all.

Fisch was coming from the NFL as a QB coach, I was fine with it.

Your inference skills are weak.

He was a QB coach for less than a season when Golden targeted him. None of the QBs he mentored for that season are even still on the Seattle roster.

I was more interested in the fact he was coming from the NFL.

Coley would be coming from FSU. Big difference.

exactly. and we intended to run a pro-style offense, which fisch's experience in the NFL dovetailed perfectly with. by contrast, coley's experience at FSU is in the spread (an underperforing one, given the talent), and he is known for his recruiting abilities, not play calling.

i trust golden and am a huge fan, but coley's resume is disconcerting, and certainly not on par with fisch's when he came in.

 

[The Franchise]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

There are enough negatives related to bringing Coley in as OC that we don't need to re-invent when he worked at fiu. 15 ppg is really nothing to crow about anyway.

I hate his offensive mentor, and I hate the fact that he only called plays for one year and was a miserable failure. I also don't like that he has no pedigree grooming QBs.

Upside is that he's supposedly a great recruiter.

Seems like everything else being mentioned about him is wing and a prayer type stuff (i.e., he might do what Fish did because Fish's resume' wasn't so great either).

I'm not going to get worked up over it either way because D$$$ said Al hasn't even talked to Coley yet. So, it seems like this is probably in the early rumor stages.

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

If Al brings in Coley, we will know with certainty that he subscribes to the "I'm going to out-athlete you" theory of football. There's NOTHING to support the idea that Coley is: a. a QB corch; or b. a good playcaller. With this hire, Al would be banking on X's and O's not meaning much; he'd be telling the rest of college football that we're going to get players so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if we can coach 'em up. Not so sure that's a great theory, but we shall see how it goes. Maybe Coley's a secret savant, and Al gets lucky.

 

[52CANES]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

First of all the year is not very relevant it is what actually happened there that matters. In 2007, FIU was 1-11 and the team averaged 15 PPG. In 2006, FIU averaged 9.58 PPG. The bottom line is in both years FIU was dead last in scoring. I understand 5+ PPG improvement but big deal. It was garbage.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-international/2006-schedule.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-international/2007-schedule.html

Second of all, calm down and stop negging me because I was off by a year.

Third, the point that matters is that he lacks playing calling and QB coaching experience. This is what I am focused on. This is it. I understand he is a great recruiter but I am concerned with Xs and Os.

I negged you because you falsely corrected someone who had the right info and tried to make some sort of point out of it

The point still matters. He is not a good OC. Extremely good recruiter YES. But he is not a good OC.

And you know this well enough to make a statement like that how?