Spoke to someone close to the Coley situation (non-Miami)

[JHallCanes]

I guess it also should be taken into consideration that we have no clue who else is really available.

My preference is an OC that would be an upgrade over Fisch but similar resume (NFL experience, QB Coach experience etc.)

Thank you. I am with you.

Do you get what I am getting at now?

I always have. My responses in this thread have been spread out but I've said the same thing from the beginning, even before Coley was an option.

 

[Mico Jones]

How about Frank Cignetti

 

[Consigliere]

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

Because the unknown to us is not necessarily the unknown to Cristobal/Golden.

P.S. Tedford isn't happening. He is planted ont he West Coast and my money says he is getting paid plenty not to coach right now

Fine. But your missing the point, why not go big with a proven commodity? Would you call Cooley a proven commodity? Forget about Coach Golden and Cristobal, you are now HC of the 2013 Miami Hurricanes...if you wanted to bring in an OC (who would also coach QBs) would you go after Cooley?

I have maintained that I primarily want a nerdy *** strategist who just sees the game different than the average person. I would love to bring in a guy tearing it up offensively at a smaller school. Also, bringing in a NFL QB coach is a great venue that I would explore, but just taking any QB coach is no guarantee of success. I like Atlanta's QB coach that has been thrown around on here. With that said, I would have never thought about Coley, but I think it is a VERY interesting and creative idea.

Would I bring in Coley? It depends what Cristobal is telling me and what I gauge from him in interviewing him and those around him.

I love nerds at the OC/DC. I love geniuses that can out coach someone. Cooley doesn't strike me as that. I don't really care what Cristobal has to say about other coaches because, I don't think he is that good of a coach (in terms of Xs and Os). I would listen to Cristobal about recruiting but not so much about Xs and Os.

 

[Consigliere]

How about Frank Cignetti

I would take Junior in a half a second.

 

[Consigliere]

I guess it also should be taken into consideration that we have no clue who else is really available.

My preference is an OC that would be an upgrade over Fisch but similar resume (NFL experience, QB Coach experience etc.)

Thank you. I am with you.

Do you get what I am getting at now?

I always have. My responses in this thread have been spread out but I've said the same thing from the beginning, even before Coley was an option.

My bad.

 

[gcane44]

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

Because the unknown to us is not necessarily the unknown to Cristobal/Golden.

P.S. Tedford isn't happening. He is planted ont he West Coast and my money says he is getting paid plenty not to coach right now

Fine. But your missing the point, why not go big with a proven commodity? Would you call Cooley a proven commodity? Forget about Coach Golden and Cristobal, you are now HC of the 2013 Miami Hurricanes...if you wanted to bring in an OC (who would also coach QBs) would you go after Cooley?

I have maintained that I primarily want a nerdy *** strategist who just sees the game different than the average person. I would love to bring in a guy tearing it up offensively at a smaller school. Also, bringing in a NFL QB coach is a great venue that I would explore, but just taking any QB coach is no guarantee of success. I like Atlanta's QB coach that has been thrown around on here. With that said, I would have never thought about Coley, but I think it is a VERY interesting and creative idea.

Would I bring in Coley? It depends what Cristobal is telling me and what I gauge from him in interviewing him and those around him.

I love nerds at the OC/DC. I love geniuses that can out coach someone. Cooley doesn't strike me as that. I don't really care what Cristobal has to say about other coaches because, I don't think he is that good of a coach (in terms of Xs and Os). I would listen to Cristobal about recruiting but not so much about Xs and Os.

Usually great leaders are great at gauging people. You don't have to be a tactical genius to understand who is a tactical genius. Most CEOs are not (see the best HCs we've had at Miami - Jimmy, Schnelly, Butch). I think Cristobal has a good gauge for it and I definitely think Golden does. Neither are Xs and Os geniuses. This board has gone a little overboard with the Cristobal for recruiter of the century idea to the point that people now only see him as such.

 

[caneaddict]

Im pretty sure Bama's success is based more on what they hold their opponent to than what they score; dont have it in front of me, but Im guessing Bama has to avg about 20 to win

 

[UMJer026]

Im pretty sure Bama's success is based more on what they hold their opponent to than what they score; dont have it in front of me, but Im guessing Bama has to avg about 20 to win

Not to mention, their offensive scheme is as uncreative as it is brilliant -- recruit 1600 pounds of mauler linemen and let the all-world horses run behind them.

That said, Bama does have guys like Stoutland on the staff. I think that's what most people are questioning with regard to a potential Coley hire -- we've already got a staff of recruiters, but where are the tacticians, the guys who can teach the game? You need a good balance of both.

 

[The Franchise]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

He's unknown to this board is what I mean. He is certainly not unknown to our coaches and Golden won't just bring in a guy for nothing.

And just because we have a staff of great recruiters doesn't mean you don't bring in more. The guy might be the best in Florida. Just questioning whether that's worth it or not?

For me, I'm leaning towards "yes" given the assumption that he will have to fit Golden's plan as far as coaching.

Not saying this would be a slam dunk hire by any stretch but there is a lot to like as well.

He's actually unknown as an OC to EVERYONE including our corches. They might know him personally, but they don't know what he'd accomplish as an OC because he has no track record. They can make a decent guess, but that's all it would be.

 

[The Franchise]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

I don't think those with skepticism are hoping for a guy who runs 49 trick plays per game or runs a gimmick offense. Instead, we would prefer a guy who has a track record of success as an OC. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure attached to it. Not everyone can do it.

People bring up Alabama as a simple offense. But Doug Nussmeier was a proven OC with a good track record working with some excellent offense corches over the years. He wasn't a huge shocking hire, but he's a very competent OC. I'd prefer that sort of hire, but I'm not closed off completely to a guy like Coley.

I'm not really sure why people keep bringing up the OC at Bama.

31st in Total O.
78th in Passing O.

8th in Passing in their own conference.

Not exactly the kind of numbers you would expect with all-world talent, and not reflective of the type of numbers I'd want to see at UM, given the same level of talent. He may be a "competent" OC in as much as his team scored when they needed to (which is key, don't me wrong), but much of that was a result of the Bama defense handing them the ball in good field position.

I am not sure why people love all these irrelevant stats.

What matters MOST is the Scoring Offense....Alabama was 12th in the nation with 38.71 PPG. This is what matters...SCORING!!!

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&div=B&rpt=IA_teamscoroff&site=org

People tend to look for the stats that support their position. He claims Nussmeier was just punching in a bunch of 35 yard drives for TDs and that that somehow minimizes the fact that he hung 39 per game on the board. He then points to yards to attempt to minimize what Nussmeier did. He just cut his own throat with that argument because if the D was giving him a short field to work with, then how does this dude expect him to rack up a ton of yards on all these short fields? Bottom line is he put the ball in the endzone, which is what counts in football.

 

[gcane44]

Bottom line is he put the ball in the endzone, which is what counts in football.

Which was also often a weakness of Fisch, who is quickly becoming a legend in this thread

 

[The Franchise]

Bottom line is he put the ball in the endzone, which is what counts in football.

Which was also often a weakness of Fisch, who is quickly becoming a legend in this thread

Exactly how I see it, gman. Fish has parlayed the final couple games of 2012 into elite status as an OC. People suddenly forget all the foibles.

 

[Consigliere]

Because the unknown to us is not necessarily the unknown to Cristobal/Golden.

P.S. Tedford isn't happening. He is planted ont he West Coast and my money says he is getting paid plenty not to coach right now

Fine. But your missing the point, why not go big with a proven commodity? Would you call Cooley a proven commodity? Forget about Coach Golden and Cristobal, you are now HC of the 2013 Miami Hurricanes...if you wanted to bring in an OC (who would also coach QBs) would you go after Cooley?

I have maintained that I primarily want a nerdy *** strategist who just sees the game different than the average person. I would love to bring in a guy tearing it up offensively at a smaller school. Also, bringing in a NFL QB coach is a great venue that I would explore, but just taking any QB coach is no guarantee of success. I like Atlanta's QB coach that has been thrown around on here. With that said, I would have never thought about Coley, but I think it is a VERY interesting and creative idea.

Would I bring in Coley? It depends what Cristobal is telling me and what I gauge from him in interviewing him and those around him.

I love nerds at the OC/DC. I love geniuses that can out coach someone. Cooley doesn't strike me as that. I don't really care what Cristobal has to say about other coaches because, I don't think he is that good of a coach (in terms of Xs and Os). I would listen to Cristobal about recruiting but not so much about Xs and Os.

Usually great leaders are great at gauging people. You don't have to be a tactical genius to understand who is a tactical genius. Most CEOs are not (see the best HCs we've had at Miami - Jimmy, Schnelly, Butch). I think Cristobal has a good gauge for it and I definitely think Golden does. Neither are Xs and Os geniuses. This board has gone a little overboard with the Cristobal for recruiter of the century idea to the point that people now only see him as such.

I don't know about Cristobal being able to gauge quality of Coaching Staffs but that is me.

 

[AZHurricane]

Bottom line is he put the ball in the endzone, which is what counts in football.

Which was also often a weakness of Fisch, who is quickly becoming a legend in this thread

Not saying Fisch was the greatest OC ever, but when I watched our games last year I saw receivers running wide open all over the field most of the time.

When our inconsistent QB was on, he threw for 500 yards. When he was off, we struggled.

I rarely saw an oline that could impose itself on another team in the running game.

I think Fisch was pretty good.

 

[Larry]

Fisch was ehhhh here. He ran a much more pro-oriented system at the college level than I would have liked. The "pro-style" in today's NFL is a pass-leaning style that doesn't yield the high end results at the college level. I thought our offense was inconsistent and its high points came against the weakest teams on our schedule. Perhaps that was by design...I don't know, but it wasn't what I like a college offense to be.

 

[Boston_Cane]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

I don't think those with skepticism are hoping for a guy who runs 49 trick plays per game or runs a gimmick offense. Instead, we would prefer a guy who has a track record of success as an OC. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure attached to it. Not everyone can do it.

People bring up Alabama as a simple offense. But Doug Nussmeier was a proven OC with a good track record working with some excellent offense corches over the years. He wasn't a huge shocking hire, but he's a very competent OC. I'd prefer that sort of hire, but I'm not closed off completely to a guy like Coley.

I can't disagree with what you've said here, with the caveat that this man does seem to have a track record of success in one area that a good coordinator must: Getting guys to buy in to what he's selling. A great recruiter makes kids believe in him, want to go to war with him. As an OC with superior SoFla talent that he helps bring in, he could succeed with a simple game plan, so long as he can make in-game adjustments as any coordinator must.

 

[707canesfan]

What about Jeremy Bates?

 

[nadiamufdi]

If our defense hadnt been historically bad this year, Fisch wouldve caught a lot more sh*t than he did. Any halfway decent defense we faced this year we struggled with for the most part.

 

[Joecane]

It's impossible, for me at least, to tell if this guy is a good OC or not simply from his résumé. He could be the **** as an OC or Patrick Nix.

How about some grey area?

Well yeah, or anywhere in between.

 

[JHallCanes]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

He's unknown to this board is what I mean. He is certainly not unknown to our coaches and Golden won't just bring in a guy for nothing.

And just because we have a staff of great recruiters doesn't mean you don't bring in more. The guy might be the best in Florida. Just questioning whether that's worth it or not?

For me, I'm leaning towards "yes" given the assumption that he will have to fit Golden's plan as far as coaching.

Not saying this would be a slam dunk hire by any stretch but there is a lot to like as well.

He's actually unknown as an OC to EVERYONE including our corches. They might know him personally, but they don't know what he'd accomplish as an OC because he has no track record. They can make a decent guess, but that's all it would be.

As an OC, yes I absolutely agree. But what his responsibilities have been or could be are a mystery, and there are a lot of unfounded opinions going on.