Spoke to someone close to the Coley situation (non-Miami)

[Consigliere]

It's impossible, for me at least, to tell if this guy is a good OC or not simply from his résumé. He could be the **** as an OC or Patrick Nix.

How about some grey area?

 

[JHallCanes]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

I don't think those with skepticism are hoping for a guy who runs 49 trick plays per game or runs a gimmick offense. Instead, we would prefer a guy who has a track record of success as an OC. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure attached to it. Not everyone can do it.

People bring up Alabama as a simple offense. But Doug Nussmeier was a proven OC with a good track record working with some excellent offense corches over the years. He wasn't a huge shocking hire, but he's a very competent OC. I'd prefer that sort of hire, but I'm not closed off completely to a guy like Coley.

I'm not really sure why people keep bringing up the OC at Bama.

31st in Total O.
78th in Passing O.

8th in Passing in their own conference.

Not exactly the kind of numbers you would expect with all-world talent, and not reflective of the type of numbers I'd want to see at UM, given the same level of talent. He may be a "competent" OC in as much as his team scored when they needed to (which is key, don't me wrong), but much of that was a result of the Bama defense handing them the ball in good field position.

 

[Consigliere]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

I don't think those with skepticism are hoping for a guy who runs 49 trick plays per game or runs a gimmick offense. Instead, we would prefer a guy who has a track record of success as an OC. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure attached to it. Not everyone can do it.

People bring up Alabama as a simple offense. But Doug Nussmeier was a proven OC with a good track record working with some excellent offense corches over the years. He wasn't a huge shocking hire, but he's a very competent OC. I'd prefer that sort of hire, but I'm not closed off completely to a guy like Coley.

That is what I don't get, how can people be so confident about this guy as an OC? There is nothing that indicates this being true. Of course we could get a great guy with JC but it seems we have the right talent in place. I don't get why we wouldn't go hard for Tedford or a big name, they can use us as a stepping stone to their next gig and we would benefit with an excellent Xs and Os OC.

 

[Consigliere]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

I don't think those with skepticism are hoping for a guy who runs 49 trick plays per game or runs a gimmick offense. Instead, we would prefer a guy who has a track record of success as an OC. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure attached to it. Not everyone can do it.

People bring up Alabama as a simple offense. But Doug Nussmeier was a proven OC with a good track record working with some excellent offense corches over the years. He wasn't a huge shocking hire, but he's a very competent OC. I'd prefer that sort of hire, but I'm not closed off completely to a guy like Coley.

I'm not really sure why people keep bringing up the OC at Bama.

31st in Total O.
78th in Passing O.

8th in Passing in their own conference.

Not exactly the kind of numbers you would expect with all-world talent, and not reflective of the type of numbers I'd want to see at UM, given the same level of talent. He may be a "competent" OC in as much as his team scored when they needed to (which is key, don't me wrong), but much of that was a result of the Bama defense handing them the ball in good field position.

I am not sure why people love all these irrelevant stats.

What matters MOST is the Scoring Offense....Alabama was 12th in the nation with 38.71 PPG. This is what matters...SCORING!!!

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&div=B&rpt=IA_teamscoroff&site=org

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

I don't think those with skepticism are hoping for a guy who runs 49 trick plays per game or runs a gimmick offense. Instead, we would prefer a guy who has a track record of success as an OC. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure attached to it. Not everyone can do it.

People bring up Alabama as a simple offense. But Doug Nussmeier was a proven OC with a good track record working with some excellent offense corches over the years. He wasn't a huge shocking hire, but he's a very competent OC. I'd prefer that sort of hire, but I'm not closed off completely to a guy like Coley.

I'm not really sure why people keep bringing up the OC at Bama.

31st in Total O.
78th in Passing O.

8th in Passing in their own conference.

Not exactly the kind of numbers you would expect with all-world talent, and not reflective of the type of numbers I'd want to see at UM, given the same level of talent. He may be a "competent" OC in as much as his team scored when they needed to (which is key, don't me wrong), but much of that was a result of the Bama defense handing them the ball in good field position.

I am not sure why people love all these irrelevant stats.

What matters MOST is the Scoring Offense....Alabama was 12th in the nation with 38.71 PPG. This is what matters...SCORING!!!

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&div=B&rpt=IA_teamscoroff&site=org

Re-read my last sentence. It's a lot easier to score if your D hands you the ball on the opponent's 45 after a turnover (Bama's D was 20th in TOs gained) or a 3-and-out (Bama's D was 13th in 3rd-down-efficiency) than it is if you've got to drive the length of the field.

Again, I'm not saying the guy's not a serviceable OC...I just don't think the numbers bear out that he's the be-all-end-all of OCs that some here are making him out to be.

 

[Consigliere]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

 

[bacane]

This is repetitive off what has already been said, but here goes.
1. Don't compare Coley with Fisch at the same stage. Fisch was highly thought of as an offensive mind and some who developed quarterbacks - ie. made them better, which was clearly the case with us.
2. Another ace recruiter would be a bonus, but foremost Miami needs someone to micro-manage the offense and continue the development of our quarterbacks. Not sure Coley fits the bill if Jumbo is running the show in Tally and not impressed with the development of their most recent QB
3. Trust AG, if interested, will determine if Coley has the goods for the job. He's not turning over the keys to his offense and QBs to a cleaner Trooper Taylor, as Coley has been described.
4. If Coley really wants out of Tally, it makes you wonder what kind of *** Jumbo is to work for if everyone is cannning the want ads

 

[gcane44]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

Because the unknown to us is not necessarily the unknown to Cristobal/Golden.

P.S. Tedford isn't happening. He is planted ont he West Coast and my money says he is getting paid plenty not to coach right now

 

[Consigliere]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

I don't think those with skepticism are hoping for a guy who runs 49 trick plays per game or runs a gimmick offense. Instead, we would prefer a guy who has a track record of success as an OC. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure attached to it. Not everyone can do it.

People bring up Alabama as a simple offense. But Doug Nussmeier was a proven OC with a good track record working with some excellent offense corches over the years. He wasn't a huge shocking hire, but he's a very competent OC. I'd prefer that sort of hire, but I'm not closed off completely to a guy like Coley.

I'm not really sure why people keep bringing up the OC at Bama.

31st in Total O.
78th in Passing O.

8th in Passing in their own conference.

Not exactly the kind of numbers you would expect with all-world talent, and not reflective of the type of numbers I'd want to see at UM, given the same level of talent. He may be a "competent" OC in as much as his team scored when they needed to (which is key, don't me wrong), but much of that was a result of the Bama defense handing them the ball in good field position.

I am not sure why people love all these irrelevant stats.

What matters MOST is the Scoring Offense....Alabama was 12th in the nation with 38.71 PPG. This is what matters...SCORING!!!

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&div=B&rpt=IA_teamscoroff&site=org

Re-read my last sentence. It's a lot easier to score if your D hands you the ball on the opponent's 45 after a turnover (Bama's D was 20th in TOs gained) or a 3-and-out (Bama's D was 13th in 3rd-down-efficiency) than it is if you've got to drive the length of the field.

No ****. This isn't ground breaking stuff but the fact is their offense put up almost 39PPG is what really matters. Sure there are reasons that aid in getting 39PPG (better talent, better field position, more opportunities on offense) but who cares. Doug Nussmeier can coach, he did what he had to do and got them 39PPG.

If we hired Doug, prior to Bama, I would feel MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Coley. The guy was/is a QB Coach from Day 1 and has been an OC since 2008.

 

[cane305]

our O has to carry our D for this coming season.

thus, we need our O to be elite for the overall team to be, "decent"

 

[3G Cane]

So is this the age old debate of Jimmy's and Joe's or X's and O's? Because if it is give me the guy that will help corral more of the thoroughbreds. You gotta have the horses, plus how do we know that Coley wouldnt be good with the playcalling???

 

[JHallCanes]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

He's unknown to this board is what I mean. He is certainly not unknown to our coaches and Golden won't just bring in a guy for nothing.

And just because we have a staff of great recruiters doesn't mean you don't bring in more. The guy might be the best in Florida. Just questioning whether that's worth it or not?

For me, I'm leaning towards "yes" given the assumption that he will have to fit Golden's plan as far as coaching.

Not saying this would be a slam dunk hire by any stretch but there is a lot to like as well.

 

[Consigliere]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

Because the unknown to us is not necessarily the unknown to Cristobal/Golden.

P.S. Tedford isn't happening. He is planted ont he West Coast and my money says he is getting paid plenty not to coach right now

Fine. But your missing the point, why not go big with a proven commodity? Would you call Cooley a proven commodity? Forget about Coach Golden and Cristobal, you are now HC of the 2013 Miami Hurricanes...if you wanted to bring in an OC (who would also coach QBs) would you go after Cooley?

Also, when did you become buddy-buddy with Tedford's agent?

 

[Consigliere]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

He's unknown to this board is what I mean. He is certainly not unknown to our coaches and Golden won't just bring in a guy for nothing.

And just because we have a staff of great recruiters doesn't mean you don't bring in more. The guy might be the best in Florida. Just questioning whether that's worth it or not?

For me, I'm leaning towards "yes" given the assumption that he will have to fit Golden's plan as far as coaching.

Not saying this would be a slam dunk hire by any stretch but there is a lot to like as well.

Same question for you (this is a message board, so lets have some fun)...why not go big with a proven commodity? Would you call Cooley a proven commodity? Forget about Coach Golden and Cristobal, you are now HC of the 2013 Miami Hurricanes...if you wanted to bring in an OC (who would also coach QBs) would you go after Cooley?

 

[JHallCanes]

I guess it also should be taken into consideration that we have no clue who else is really available.

My preference is an OC that would be an upgrade over Fisch but similar resume (NFL experience, QB Coach experience etc.)

To answer your other ?, yes I would go after Coley.

Resting on your laurels in recruiting is not an option, not for us, and especially not right now. I would at least see what he has to offer offensively because the recruiting part is worth a look. He might be the best recruiter in the whole state, why not drive another dagger home?

 

[rok]

Listen to me, because I know what is best for everyone. There are a great many problems facing America today, and I have all the answers to all of them.

Everyone should listen to what I have to say and heed my advice because I am correct.

College football is about talent. When we had more talent than everyone else we won 34 games in a row.

If Coley's expertise is recruiting then I will take a chance and hope he's smart enough to get the ball to Duke Johnson for the next 2 years.

 

[Consigliere]

I guess it also should be taken into consideration that we have no clue who else is really available.

My preference is an OC that would be an upgrade over Fisch but similar resume (NFL experience, QB Coach experience etc.)

Thank you. I am with you.

Do you get what I am getting at now?

 

[Dwinstitles]

Does the risk outweigh the reward with Coley? I say yes.

Reward - Locks up Stacey Coley who is the best WR in FL. Also eliminates FSU's presence in South Florida.

Risk - Only one year calling plays at FIU; however, has NFL experience and has been very involved in game planning and preparation for 4 years with Jimbo Fisher. FSU's offense has struggled the last two years because of QB play. EJ Manuel is just not a good QB. FSU's offense was dynamic with Ponder in 2010. They lost games on defense that year.

I am all for this move. The main reason is the damage it would do to FSU.

this

how epic a meltdown for fsu it would be lol, also hes the guy that Climbs over AG electric SFLA fence. Hire this man and SFLA is on locldown. then we can out athlete every ACC opponent and be in contention every year, and recruits will come.

 

[gcane44]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

Thing is, nobody really knows if he can't coach. Heck, hollyhood says he is a great teacher and that's a **** of a lot more meaningful than a bunch of posters looking at his experience on his wikipedia page.

In a perfect world I think we could do better but you can't help but look at the damage that FSU has done on the recruiting trail and think about the guy in charge being here. I know we have a great staff of recruiters, but look at how bad FSU has stuck their faces in our territory this year. We could always use more help and dealing them a huge blow would be a nice bonus.

Why go with the unknown with this staff of recruiters?

Because the unknown to us is not necessarily the unknown to Cristobal/Golden.

P.S. Tedford isn't happening. He is planted ont he West Coast and my money says he is getting paid plenty not to coach right now

Fine. But your missing the point, why not go big with a proven commodity? Would you call Cooley a proven commodity? Forget about Coach Golden and Cristobal, you are now HC of the 2013 Miami Hurricanes...if you wanted to bring in an OC (who would also coach QBs) would you go after Cooley?

I have maintained that I primarily want a nerdy *** strategist who just sees the game different than the average person. I would love to bring in a guy tearing it up offensively at a smaller school. Also, bringing in a NFL QB coach is a great venue that I would explore, but just taking any QB coach is no guarantee of success. I like Atlanta's QB coach that has been thrown around on here. With that said, I would have never thought about Coley, but I think it is a VERY interesting and creative idea.

Would I bring in Coley? It depends what Cristobal is telling me and what I gauge from him in interviewing him and those around him.