Spoke to someone close to the Coley situation (non-Miami)

[UMJer026]

Strong points, gcane.

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Additionally you won't convince that this guy doesn't know offense. Why was he promoted to OC and not Eddie Gran? Both were big time assistants, both monster recruiters, but Coley got the nod. Tommy Tuberville, a solid CFB coach, just hired Eddie Gran to be the OC at Cinci. Will he succeed? I don't know, but I do know that a coach who has won a lot of football games just hired Gran to run his offense. I find it interesting that while both about equally lethal as recruiters, it was Coley who got the promotion to aid Jimbo in running the offense. Additionally, when Stoops got his SEC HC job at Kentucky, his first choice for OC was Coley.

Furthermore, if there is one person I would trust to evaluate Coley as an OC, it would be the one HC who had him as an OC, Mario Cristobal. That guy just happens to be on our staff. If Golden hires Coley, then I'm excited about the hire because it means A.) he impressed Golden in the same way that Fisch (now NFL OC) and McDonald (now D1 OC) impressed Golden and B.) Cristobal fully believes in him as an OC. And for those that want to throw out that FIU's offense was no good in 2007, I'll say nothing about FIU was good in 2007, it was their 3rd season in FBS (D1A), they lost every game the season before and averaged 9ppg on offense. No matter how bad it looked in comparison to real FBS level teams, FIU at least jumped up to 15 ppg with Coley at the helm and some big scoring games towards the end of the season.

As ridiculous as it sounds, that is why I maintain I am very excited about this hire IF Golden makes it. Golden's offensive hires so far at Miami have been outstanding IMO. A guy with virtually no OC experience is now an NFL OC after being OC at Miami for 2 years and a WR Coach with no playcalling experience is now Syracuse's OC after being Miami's WR Coach for 2 years. IMO Coach Richardson is one of the next RB coaches in the nation Kehoe is Kehoe. So, if the hire is made that means that Golden is impressed by not just Coley's resume, but by Coley's offensive outlook. Pair that with Cristobal's endorsement (which would obviously be present if he is being hired) and it would lead me to believe that Coley has what it takes

 

[Consigliere]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

There are enough negatives related to bringing Coley in as OC that we don't need to re-invent when he worked at fiu. 15 ppg is really nothing to crow about anyway.

I hate his offensive mentor, and I hate the fact that he only called plays for one year and was a miserable failure. I also don't like that he has no pedigree grooming QBs.

Upside is that he's supposedly a great recruiter.

Seems like everything else being mentioned about him is wing and a prayer type stuff (i.e., he might do what Fish did because Fish's resume' wasn't so great either).

I'm not going to get worked up over it either way because D$$$ said Al hasn't even talked to Coley yet. So, it seems like this is probably in the early rumor stages.

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

If Al brings in Coley, we will know with certainty that he subscribes to the "I'm going to out-athlete you" theory of football. There's NOTHING to support the idea that Coley is: a. a QB corch; or b. a good playcaller. With this hire, Al would be banking on X's and O's not meaning much; he'd be telling the rest of college football that we're going to get players so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if we can coach 'em up. Not so sure that's a great theory, but we shall see how it goes. Maybe Coley's a secret savant, and Al gets lucky.

Truth. That is what this would lead me to believe.

We're going assemble a nasty team talent wise. I just think QB is a position that even if you get an elite guy (ex: Kyle Wright, Mitch Mustain, Tyrod Taylor etc.) doesn't mean you can develop him.

 

[stormsurge]

We didn't hear many rumors about Mario til very close to when he got hired. iirc the same with Fisch. We heard other names floated then (again iirc). My hunch is that Golden will keep the name of the guy he really is going to hire close to the vest and if a name is being bandied about all over the place right now before he's had a chance to speak to the candidate then I suspect that that's probably not going to be the guy.

 

[DerekDohrman]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

There are enough negatives related to bringing Coley in as OC that we don't need to re-invent when he worked at fiu. 15 ppg is really nothing to crow about anyway.

I hate his offensive mentor, and I hate the fact that he only called plays for one year and was a miserable failure. I also don't like that he has no pedigree grooming QBs.

Upside is that he's supposedly a great recruiter.

Seems like everything else being mentioned about him is wing and a prayer type stuff (i.e., he might do what Fish did because Fish's resume' wasn't so great either).

I'm not going to get worked up over it either way because D$$$ said Al hasn't even talked to Coley yet. So, it seems like this is probably in the early rumor stages.

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

If Al brings in Coley, we will know with certainty that he subscribes to the "I'm going to out-athlete you" theory of football. There's NOTHING to support the idea that Coley is: a. a QB corch; or b. a good playcaller. With this hire, Al would be banking on X's and O's not meaning much; he'd be telling the rest of college football that we're going to get players so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if we can coach 'em up. Not so sure that's a great theory, but we shall see how it goes. Maybe Coley's a secret savant, and Al gets lucky.

this post exhibits the one HUGE limitation of message board discussion(and i realize theres no way around it really). There is, in fact, something(not nothing) that supports the idea of Coley being a good QB coach and/or good playcaller. Especially if Al brings Coley in. What you mean to say is, there is nothing that us message board posters(casual fans) know. I'm going to assume Al has interviewed and picked apart this guys' brain a bit. Talked to others that have actually gotten to know Coley, and know how his mind works, his ideas on offensive playcalling and coordination, etc. There is that part, which is HUGE and unkown to all of us, which matters a whole heck of a lot.

Not to compare to fisch too much, but id imagine it would be that same "unknown" that al may have seen in interviewing fisch before he hired him.

unfortunately, this whole idea is a wash on an internet message board, because none of us are clued into Coley's actual mind, like al would be after interviewing him. the thing that matters most.

 

[The Franchise]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

There are enough negatives related to bringing Coley in as OC that we don't need to re-invent when he worked at fiu. 15 ppg is really nothing to crow about anyway.

I hate his offensive mentor, and I hate the fact that he only called plays for one year and was a miserable failure. I also don't like that he has no pedigree grooming QBs.

Upside is that he's supposedly a great recruiter.

Seems like everything else being mentioned about him is wing and a prayer type stuff (i.e., he might do what Fish did because Fish's resume' wasn't so great either).

I'm not going to get worked up over it either way because D$$$ said Al hasn't even talked to Coley yet. So, it seems like this is probably in the early rumor stages.

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

If Al brings in Coley, we will know with certainty that he subscribes to the "I'm going to out-athlete you" theory of football. There's NOTHING to support the idea that Coley is: a. a QB corch; or b. a good playcaller. With this hire, Al would be banking on X's and O's not meaning much; he'd be telling the rest of college football that we're going to get players so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if we can coach 'em up. Not so sure that's a great theory, but we shall see how it goes. Maybe Coley's a secret savant, and Al gets lucky.

this post exhibits the one HUGE limitation of message board discussion(and i realize theres no way around it really). There is, in fact, something(not nothing) that supports the idea of Coley being a good QB coach and/or good playcaller. Especially if Al brings Coley in. What you mean to say is, there is nothing that us message board posters(casual fans) know. I'm going to assume Al has interviewed and picked apart this guys' brain a bit. Talked to others that have actually gotten to know Coley, and know how his mind works, his ideas on offensive playcalling and coordination, etc. There is that part, which is HUGE and unkown to all of us, which matters a whole heck of a lot.

Not to compare to fisch too much, but id imagine it would be that same "unknown" that al may have seen in interviewing fisch before he hired him.

unfortunately, this whole idea is a wash on an internet message board, because none of us are clued into Coley's actual mind, like al would be after interviewing him. the thing that matters most.

I agree with you that Al will certainly discuss philosophies with Coley (or anyone else for that matter) prior to hiring him. However, I still think there's nothing concrete to support the idea that Coley can call plays successfully DURING A GAME. He's never done it.

Sure, Alshermond can pick his brain and attempt to determine if he thinks he can do it. But Coley hasn't shown anything objectively quantifiable to indicate that he can do it. It's a different world up in that booth with 2,133 disinterested fans texting about something unrelated to the game at Joe Robbie Stadium and having to get plays in under pressure than it is talking to Al in his office about what your philosophy on offense is.

 

[gcane44]

There are enough negatives related to bringing Coley in as OC that we don't need to re-invent when he worked at fiu. 15 ppg is really nothing to crow about anyway.

I hate his offensive mentor, and I hate the fact that he only called plays for one year and was a miserable failure. I also don't like that he has no pedigree grooming QBs.

Upside is that he's supposedly a great recruiter.

Seems like everything else being mentioned about him is wing and a prayer type stuff (i.e., he might do what Fish did because Fish's resume' wasn't so great either).

I'm not going to get worked up over it either way because D$$$ said Al hasn't even talked to Coley yet. So, it seems like this is probably in the early rumor stages.

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

If Al brings in Coley, we will know with certainty that he subscribes to the "I'm going to out-athlete you" theory of football. There's NOTHING to support the idea that Coley is: a. a QB corch; or b. a good playcaller. With this hire, Al would be banking on X's and O's not meaning much; he'd be telling the rest of college football that we're going to get players so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if we can coach 'em up. Not so sure that's a great theory, but we shall see how it goes. Maybe Coley's a secret savant, and Al gets lucky.

this post exhibits the one HUGE limitation of message board discussion(and i realize theres no way around it really). There is, in fact, something(not nothing) that supports the idea of Coley being a good QB coach and/or good playcaller. Especially if Al brings Coley in. What you mean to say is, there is nothing that us message board posters(casual fans) know. I'm going to assume Al has interviewed and picked apart this guys' brain a bit. Talked to others that have actually gotten to know Coley, and know how his mind works, his ideas on offensive playcalling and coordination, etc. There is that part, which is HUGE and unkown to all of us, which matters a whole heck of a lot.

Not to compare to fisch too much, but id imagine it would be that same "unknown" that al may have seen in interviewing fisch before he hired him.

unfortunately, this whole idea is a wash on an internet message board, because none of us are clued into Coley's actual mind, like al would be after interviewing him. the thing that matters most.

I agree with you that Al will certainly discuss philosophies with Coley (or anyone else for that matter) prior to hiring him. However, I still think there's nothing concrete to support the idea that Coley can call plays successfully DURING A GAME. He's never done it.

Sure, Alshermond can pick his brain and attempt to determine if he thinks he can do it. But Coley hasn't shown anything objectively quantifiable to indicate that he can do it. It's a different world up in that booth with 2,133 disinterested fans texting about something unrelated to the game at Joe Robbie Stadium and having to get plays in under pressure than it is talking to Al in his office about what your philosophy on offense is.

I agree that hiring Coley means that we likely won't be on the frontier of what an offense can do in football. He won't be a Mike Leach or a Chip Kelly that is reinventing the game. And I agree that it will (to an extent) the out-athlete philosophy. The same philosophy that Alabama implements, I guess. But, in terms of who he is as an OC, and what his ability is in terms of creating an offense, game planning, and calling plays, there is a lot of unknown for ALL of us. The reason I would be excited if this hire was made in a manner that makes it appear Coley was a top choice is that that would mean that one of the few people out there (Cristobal) who does have an idea of what Coley is made of as an offensive mind would be fully endorsing this hire and essentially tying the resurgence of his name to it.

That's why I am cautioning myself with the potential downfalls (which consist a lot more of unknown than they do with tangible negatives), getting excited about the benefits, and intently observing how this goes down.

 

[Mico Jones]

So why do people insist that Coley coached at FIU before Cristobal, in 2006 when basically everything I can find says that he coached at FIU in 2007 (with Cristobal) and was with the Dolphins during Nick Saban's tenure there (2005 & 2006 seasons)?

It seems like people are trying too hard to look for only the negatives of this potential hire, and Coley being OC in 2006 (when FIU averaged 9 ppg) is more convenient than the apparent truth that he was OC in 2007 (15 ppg)

It doesn't matter when he coached at FIU.

It matters his woeful lack of experience coaching offense and QBs.

 

[The Franchise]

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

If Al brings in Coley, we will know with certainty that he subscribes to the "I'm going to out-athlete you" theory of football. There's NOTHING to support the idea that Coley is: a. a QB corch; or b. a good playcaller. With this hire, Al would be banking on X's and O's not meaning much; he'd be telling the rest of college football that we're going to get players so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if we can coach 'em up. Not so sure that's a great theory, but we shall see how it goes. Maybe Coley's a secret savant, and Al gets lucky.

this post exhibits the one HUGE limitation of message board discussion(and i realize theres no way around it really). There is, in fact, something(not nothing) that supports the idea of Coley being a good QB coach and/or good playcaller. Especially if Al brings Coley in. What you mean to say is, there is nothing that us message board posters(casual fans) know. I'm going to assume Al has interviewed and picked apart this guys' brain a bit. Talked to others that have actually gotten to know Coley, and know how his mind works, his ideas on offensive playcalling and coordination, etc. There is that part, which is HUGE and unkown to all of us, which matters a whole heck of a lot.

Not to compare to fisch too much, but id imagine it would be that same "unknown" that al may have seen in interviewing fisch before he hired him.

unfortunately, this whole idea is a wash on an internet message board, because none of us are clued into Coley's actual mind, like al would be after interviewing him. the thing that matters most.

I agree with you that Al will certainly discuss philosophies with Coley (or anyone else for that matter) prior to hiring him. However, I still think there's nothing concrete to support the idea that Coley can call plays successfully DURING A GAME. He's never done it.

Sure, Alshermond can pick his brain and attempt to determine if he thinks he can do it. But Coley hasn't shown anything objectively quantifiable to indicate that he can do it. It's a different world up in that booth with 2,133 disinterested fans texting about something unrelated to the game at Joe Robbie Stadium and having to get plays in under pressure than it is talking to Al in his office about what your philosophy on offense is.

I agree that hiring Coley means that we likely won't be on the frontier of what an offense can do in football. He won't be a Mike Leach or a Chip Kelly that is reinventing the game. And I agree that it will (to an extent) the out-athlete philosophy. The same philosophy that Alabama implements, I guess. But, in terms of who he is as an OC, and what his ability is in terms of creating an offense, game planning, and calling plays, there is a lot of unknown for ALL of us. The reason I would be excited if this hire was made in a manner that makes it appear Coley was a top choice is that that would mean that one of the few people out there (Cristobal) who does have an idea of what Coley is made of as an offensive mind would be fully endorsing this hire and essentially tying the resurgence of his name to it.

That's why I am cautioning myself with the potential downfalls (which consist a lot more of unknown than they do with tangible negatives), getting excited about the benefits, and intently observing how this goes down.

I'm probably a little more skeptical of Coley as an OC here than you are. But I think we share a lot of the same thoughts about this potential hire. I don't love the idea of bringing him in, but I am somewhat intrigued by the possibilities. In either event, it's good to read intelligent and cogent counter-points from guys like you and Derek.

 

[Boston_Cane]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

 

[cane305]

bottom line: You can't bring in someone who is just a great recruiter to be a COORDINATOR. they need to be actually competent coordinators.

then again Dorito is neither so...

 

[Ispyin]

There are enough negatives related to bringing Coley in as OC that we don't need to re-invent when he worked at fiu. 15 ppg is really nothing to crow about anyway.

I hate his offensive mentor, and I hate the fact that he only called plays for one year and was a miserable failure. I also don't like that he has no pedigree grooming QBs.

Upside is that he's supposedly a great recruiter.

Seems like everything else being mentioned about him is wing and a prayer type stuff (i.e., he might do what Fish did because Fish's resume' wasn't so great either).

I'm not going to get worked up over it either way because D$$$ said Al hasn't even talked to Coley yet. So, it seems like this is probably in the early rumor stages.

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

If Al brings in Coley, we will know with certainty that he subscribes to the "I'm going to out-athlete you" theory of football. There's NOTHING to support the idea that Coley is: a. a QB corch; or b. a good playcaller. With this hire, Al would be banking on X's and O's not meaning much; he'd be telling the rest of college football that we're going to get players so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if we can coach 'em up. Not so sure that's a great theory, but we shall see how it goes. Maybe Coley's a secret savant, and Al gets lucky.

this post exhibits the one HUGE limitation of message board discussion(and i realize theres no way around it really). There is, in fact, something(not nothing) that supports the idea of Coley being a good QB coach and/or good playcaller. Especially if Al brings Coley in. What you mean to say is, there is nothing that us message board posters(casual fans) know. I'm going to assume Al has interviewed and picked apart this guys' brain a bit. Talked to others that have actually gotten to know Coley, and know how his mind works, his ideas on offensive playcalling and coordination, etc. There is that part, which is HUGE and unkown to all of us, which matters a whole heck of a lot.

Not to compare to fisch too much, but id imagine it would be that same "unknown" that al may have seen in interviewing fisch before he hired him.

unfortunately, this whole idea is a wash on an internet message board, because none of us are clued into Coley's actual mind, like al would be after interviewing him. the thing that matters most.

I agree with you that Al will certainly discuss philosophies with Coley (or anyone else for that matter) prior to hiring him. However, I still think there's nothing concrete to support the idea that Coley can call plays successfully DURING A GAME. He's never done it.

Sure, Alshermond can pick his brain and attempt to determine if he thinks he can do it. But Coley hasn't shown anything objectively quantifiable to indicate that he can do it. It's a different world up in that booth with 2,133 disinterested fans texting about something unrelated to the game at Joe Robbie Stadium and having to get plays in under pressure than it is talking to Al in his office about what your philosophy on offense is.

as much as you guys may say there is not enough evidence that coley can be a great coach and not just a great recruiter, there is also not enough evidence public to most here that he can't also be a great coach. Few if any of us know that, know what someone like Mario may know about the aptitude he has even if that one year at fou was not ideal (I'm with those that say you can't put too much into that). I believe there maybe risk, but the reward could be great. Yes we need good coaches as well, but in my mind talent masks a lot at the collegiate level, without dismissing the notion that great coaching (Boise st) can make up for lack of talent. I think at worse he would be an ok oc, nowhere near the nix side, even if he's not the next guru ultimately.

 

[stormsurge]

I am not seeing a lot of evidence on Coley's resume about developing and handling QBs. Put aside the playcalling for now. I saw that Craig coached QBs at FSU while Coley took care of OC/TE. That concerns me a little. What I liked most about Fisch was the way he reined in Jacory and improved his composure and decision making. Same with Morris. Personally, I want to see some evidence of a prospective OC/QB coach here being able to do this before they get here.

 

[jakeman1]

I'd like an established OC from a decent school or QB coach from the NFL.

 

[rudebuddha]

None of us knows about his talent as a playcaller, but as most everyone knows Al Golden has his hands in everything.
It's not like the OC at Miami has free reign to do whatever the **** he wants with no input from the HC.
This guy Coley set up the gameplans for Fisher and then Fisher called the plays. He didn't just do it on a sticky pad while he was
on the toilet.

Most importantly Coley is the recruiting coordinator at FSU and the past couple years they have had monster classes.
I know we really wanted Eddie Goldman last year.
Their recruiting classes from the past couple years are littered with 4-5 star guys we wanted.
To say that we have enough recruiters is pretty naive and to underemphasize recruiting in college football is just foolish.
Recruiting is everything.
Reminds me of a line in Shawshank Redemption.
"Show me a fighter who is all heart and I'll show you a fighter getting ready to take a beating."
You need the horses first. Without the talent, the best game plan is just a lot of paper.

 

[The Franchise]

The bold part is the dumbest argument I ever heard. The truth is I think (in 2010) Fisch was a better hire as OC then Coley would be today.

Fisch at least struck me as a guy that could coach QBs, Coley is not that guy.

We all acknowledge that he is a great recruiter but I think this staff is built to recruit and we just added Cristobal.

If Al brings in Coley, we will know with certainty that he subscribes to the "I'm going to out-athlete you" theory of football. There's NOTHING to support the idea that Coley is: a. a QB corch; or b. a good playcaller. With this hire, Al would be banking on X's and O's not meaning much; he'd be telling the rest of college football that we're going to get players so much better than everyone else that it doesn't matter if we can coach 'em up. Not so sure that's a great theory, but we shall see how it goes. Maybe Coley's a secret savant, and Al gets lucky.

this post exhibits the one HUGE limitation of message board discussion(and i realize theres no way around it really). There is, in fact, something(not nothing) that supports the idea of Coley being a good QB coach and/or good playcaller. Especially if Al brings Coley in. What you mean to say is, there is nothing that us message board posters(casual fans) know. I'm going to assume Al has interviewed and picked apart this guys' brain a bit. Talked to others that have actually gotten to know Coley, and know how his mind works, his ideas on offensive playcalling and coordination, etc. There is that part, which is HUGE and unkown to all of us, which matters a whole heck of a lot.

Not to compare to fisch too much, but id imagine it would be that same "unknown" that al may have seen in interviewing fisch before he hired him.

unfortunately, this whole idea is a wash on an internet message board, because none of us are clued into Coley's actual mind, like al would be after interviewing him. the thing that matters most.

I agree with you that Al will certainly discuss philosophies with Coley (or anyone else for that matter) prior to hiring him. However, I still think there's nothing concrete to support the idea that Coley can call plays successfully DURING A GAME. He's never done it.

Sure, Alshermond can pick his brain and attempt to determine if he thinks he can do it. But Coley hasn't shown anything objectively quantifiable to indicate that he can do it. It's a different world up in that booth with 2,133 disinterested fans texting about something unrelated to the game at Joe Robbie Stadium and having to get plays in under pressure than it is talking to Al in his office about what your philosophy on offense is.

as much as you guys may say there is not enough evidence that coley can be a great coach and not just a great recruiter, there is also not enough evidence public to most here that he can't also be a great coach. Few if any of us know that, know what someone like Mario may know about the aptitude he has even if that one year at fou was not ideal (I'm with those that say you can't put too much into that). I believe there maybe risk, but the reward could be great. Yes we need good coaches as well, but in my mind talent masks a lot at the collegiate level, without dismissing the notion that great coaching (Boise st) can make up for lack of talent. I think at worse he would be an ok oc, nowhere near the nix side, even if he's not the next guru ultimately.

I don't think anyone's saying Coley would be a definite failure (and if they are saying that, then they're just dummies you should ignore) because no one knows that with any degree of certainty. I think that people are skeptical because there's no data to support him as a QB corch/OC. Many are risk averse when it comes to hirings at those positions. Some would prefer to minimize risk, and there are options out there that would achieve that. Of course, the upside of some of those options (especially from a recruiting standpoint and crushing your in-state rival standpoint) isn't as tantalizing as the Coley hire.

 

[Joecane]

It's impossible, for me at least, to tell if this guy is a good OC or not simply from his résumé. He could be the **** as an OC or Patrick Nix.

 

[canesman]

Does the risk outweigh the reward with Coley? I say yes.

Reward - Locks up Stacey Coley who is the best WR in FL. Also eliminates FSU's presence in South Florida.

Risk - Only one year calling plays at FIU; however, has NFL experience and has been very involved in game planning and preparation for 4 years with Jimbo Fisher. FSU's offense has struggled the last two years because of QB play. EJ Manuel is just not a good QB. FSU's offense was dynamic with Ponder in 2010. They lost games on defense that year.

I am all for this move. The main reason is the damage it would do to FSU.

 

[The Franchise]

I'm not too concerned with a potential OC's background as a playcaller. This is Miami football, no need to reinvent the wheel with overly complicated schemes, triple-reverse statue of liberty Boise State foolishness. We hand the ball off to elite backs running behind Kehoe's stallions, play action, stretch the field with elite speed, TE's over the middle, dominate with superior talent and athleticism. Pro-style Canes football, no need to try and become Texas Tech or Hawaii.

I don't think those with skepticism are hoping for a guy who runs 49 trick plays per game or runs a gimmick offense. Instead, we would prefer a guy who has a track record of success as an OC. It's a tough gig with a lot of pressure attached to it. Not everyone can do it.

People bring up Alabama as a simple offense. But Doug Nussmeier was a proven OC with a good track record working with some excellent offense corches over the years. He wasn't a huge shocking hire, but he's a very competent OC. I'd prefer that sort of hire, but I'm not closed off completely to a guy like Coley.

 

[mapcane]

We have enough recruiters on this staff, including Cristobal, who is a beast in that department and less of a technician. No one disputes that we need elite talent, but we can't win national titles by trying to out-athlete other teams. Alabama is dominant both because they have elite talent and because they're being superbly coached up on both sides of the ball. So, if people are saying that bringing in Coley will help a lot on the recruting front but leaves question marks in the development / playcalling department, then I'm opposed to us bringing him in.

 

[ScubaCane]

I would prefer a proven OC, but I have faith in Golden if he thinks Coley is the guy