Spoke to someone close to the Coley situation (non-Miami)

Don't like the Coley idea from an X's and O's standpoint.

We need someone stronger.

So what can you tell me about Coleys x's and o's?

His offense that one year at FIU stunk up the joint and he's never coached QBs other than that one stint at FIU.

But I'm sure he's posted plenty of XOXOs on his twitter account for recruits.

FIU was the worst program in football the year before he and Cristobal got there. You don't think that might have had something to with the offensive production? They also played 5 BCS teams in their first 8 games including the Kansas team that went 12-1. Final four games of the season they scored 24, 28, 23 and 38. So that offense improved as the year went on.

The year before they were held to single digits 7 times including 3 shutouts.
 
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Questionable at first. But this guy has been an ALL STAR assistant wherever he has gone. I maintain that I want a straight up nerd offensive strategist for the OC hire. But, I will admit that the idea of Coley is pretty intriguing to me and would be a very creative hire IMO.

Recruiting wise, he is one of the best in the game, especially in South Florida. That is a given and would be huge because of how significantly it both bolsters our recruiting efforts and completely destroys our biggest rivals recruiting efforts (especially in trying to get into South Florida).

Additionally you won't convince that this guy doesn't know offense. Why was he promoted to OC and not Eddie Gran? Both were big time assistants, both monster recruiters, but Coley got the nod. Tommy Tuberville, a solid CFB coach, just hired Eddie Gran to be the OC at Cinci. Will he succeed? I don't know, but I do know that a coach who has won a lot of football games just hired Gran to run his offense. I find it interesting that while both about equally lethal as recruiters, it was Coley who got the promotion to aid Jimbo in running the offense. Additionally, when Stoops got his SEC HC job at Kentucky, his first choice for OC was Coley.

Jimbo calls the plays (the big negative/unknown on him), but Jimbo does not create the playbook by himself and he does not scout defenses by himself and he does not create gameplans by himself and he does not make adjustments by himself. All this leads me to believe that Coley is more than just a recruiter and knows football. If that isn't enough convincing, the fact that this guy has been a position coach at the NFL (for Saban) tells me what Saban thinks of him. Saban did not bring him to coach in the NFL because of his recruiting, obviously. The fact that he was also a quality control assistant in the NFL is huge IMO because that is basically encompasses every facet of the offense except the actual in-game play calling. Whipple was a quality control offensive assistant with the Eagles before becoming our OC. He wasn't the best, but he was def a capable offensive mind.

Furthermore, if there is one person I would trust to evaluate Coley as an OC, it would be the one HC who had him as an OC, Mario Cristobal. That guy just happens to be on our staff. If Golden hires Coley, then I'm excited about the hire because it means A.) he impressed Golden in the same way that Fisch (now NFL OC) and McDonald (now D1 OC) impressed Golden and B.) Cristobal fully believes in him as an OC. And for those that want to throw out that FIU's offense was no good in 2007, I'll say nothing about FIU was good in 2007, it was their 3rd season in FBS (D1A), they lost every game the season before and averaged 9ppg on offense. No matter how bad it looked in comparison to real FBS level teams, FIU at least jumped up to 15 ppg with Coley at the helm and some big scoring games towards the end of the season.

The recruiting coup this would cause this year and into the future paired with the reality that Coley is a very experienced and respected offensive assistant has me VERY intrigued by this.

Solid post G. What are your reservations about Coley?



I'll ask Killa, would you give Coley an interview?

Yes. Id want to know what his offense would look like.

My reservations are just the unknown. If you look into it, there seems to be a lot out there to suggest that Coley is a trustworthy offensive mind. But, obviously there is not much track record in terms of playcalling. The extent of his involvement in shaping FSU's offense and gameplanning is likely significant, but we can't know with certainty.

As ridiculous as it sounds, that is why I maintain I am very excited about this hire IF Golden makes it. Golden's offensive hires so far at Miami have been outstanding IMO. A guy with virtually no OC experience is now an NFL OC after being OC at Miami for 2 years and a WR Coach with no playcalling experience is now Syracuse's OC after being Miami's WR Coach for 2 years. IMO Coach Richardson is one of the next RB coaches in the nation Kehoe is Kehoe. So, if the hire is made that means that Golden is impressed by not just Coley's resume, but by Coley's offensive outlook. Pair that with Cristobal's endorsement (which would obviously be present if he is being hired) and it would lead me to believe that Coley has what it takes

I am in no way guaranteeing that Coley will be a great OC. I am simply stating that if they do make the hire, I think it is due to truly knowing enough about Coley to make an extremely educated hire (having Cristobal here is huge for Golden to gauge Coley's worth as an OC) and with that, if they decide to pull the trigger it indicates that it is likely a good hire.

More solid points that I cant argue with.

Like Franchise mentioned above about the talent....with Morris as a SR and the weapons he has It'd be nice to see an OC brought in with a diverse and adaptable system that could maintain or improve upon the 36th total offense in FBS.

That unknown u talk about with Coley has me concerned it might not be the best fit at this point.

I will admit Im intrigued, but stll against a Coley hire.
 
Don't like the Coley idea from an X's and O's standpoint.

We need someone stronger.

So what can you tell me about Coleys x's and o's?

His offense that one year at FIU stunk up the joint and he's never coached QBs other than that one stint at FIU.

But I'm sure he's posted plenty of XOXOs on his twitter account for recruits.

FIU was the worst program in football the year before he and Cristobal got there. You don't think that might have had something to with the offensive production? They also played 5 BCS teams in their first 8 games including the Kansas team that went 12-1. Final four games of the season they scored 24, 28, 23 and 38. So that offense improved as the year went on.

The year before they were held to single digits 7 times including 3 shutouts.

Coley was there the year before Mario took over. He was not on Mario's staff.
 
Don't like the Coley idea from an X's and O's standpoint.

We need someone stronger.

So what can you tell me about Coleys x's and o's?

His offense that one year at FIU stunk up the joint and he's never coached QBs other than that one stint at FIU.

But I'm sure he's posted plenty of XOXOs on his twitter account for recruits.

FIU was the worst program in football the year before he and Cristobal got there. You don't think that might have had something to with the offensive production? They also played 5 BCS teams in their first 8 games including the Kansas team that went 12-1. Final four games of the season they scored 24, 28, 23 and 38. So that offense improved as the year went on.

The year before they were held to single digits 7 times including 3 shutouts.

Coley was there the year before Mario took over. He was not on Mario's staff.

His FSU profile says he was on the staff with Cristobal. His wiki one says he was there a year before. I'll take FSU at their word. Cristobal took over in 2007.

http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/coley_james00.html

Coley was the offensive coordinator at Florida International in 2007 and spent six seasons in the Miami high school ranks, including a three-year run as offensive coordinator at Norland, which won a state title. A two-year offensive graduate assistant at LSU, where he worked alongside coordinator Jimbo Fisher, was followed by two seasons on the offensive staff with the Miami Dolphins under Nick Saban.

• Prior to arriving at FSU, Coley spent one season as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at FIU. The Miami native completely overhauled the Golden Panthers offense and established new standards for rushing yardage, as the unit doubled its production over the second half of the season
 
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Da f*ck kinda question is that NINJA.....

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I think that was in regards to "NOT WANTING ANY COACH WHO HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH FSU" sort of question.
 
"I don't want any coach who has anything to do with ________" is the worst outlook ever.
 
I think coley is type of top notch receiver Al should personally going after and it would be grey to see us reel him in
 
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Fincane,

No disrespect but this guy is not the OC we need. In fact, I wouldn't put him on any short-list of OCs that would help the program on game day. Our staff is built to recruit as is and their leader has them organized and working hard. So here are my thoughts on the search and James Coley....

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In terms of calling plays...Coley was the OC for FIU in 2006 when they finished 0-12. Here is the best thing I read about his performance at FIU "Coley spent one season as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at FIU. The Miami native completely overhauled the Golden Panthers offense and established new standards for rushing yardage, as the unit doubled its production over the second half of the season." Yes, HIGHER STANDARDS. Wow!!! Now I know FIU is garbage but being associated with garbage isn't necessarily a good thing.

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Now I know it was Coley's first stint as a TRUE OC but it also was his last as he didn't CALL THE PLAYS FOR FSU. Not that play calling is a major part of being an OC.

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Now the other major issue is his lack of experience coaching QBs. I wouldn't call one year coaching QBs at FIU the experience we desperately need because we lack QB coaching on our remaining staff.

Now I know your going to tell me about Fisch and his lack of experience but Fisch was in the NFL from 2001-2008 and 2010 and coached QBs at Baltimore and Seattle (The NFL aka PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL). He also learned or was a GA under Spurrier. The man had QB Coaching Experience, he might have been a little GREEN at play calling but he did in fact know how to coach QBs. Also, I don't think at the time Fisch was the best hire but we know in 2010 when AL was hired he might not have the contacts he has now being at a MAJOR UNIVERSITY.

So I am going to strongly pass on Coley (not that MO matters).

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In terms of filling the position and the search...we need a guy who is REALLY READY TO GO. Coley doesn't do it for me because he is too GREEN at coaching QBs and Coaching an Offense. Unlike 2010, we have AMAZING TALENT on offense and that talent is ready to go (Morris, Duke, O-Line and WRs).

I think Al needs to go big, I think there are a ton of people who can be called upon now or AFTER NSD (Tedford, Bible, Stitt etc.) with QB Coaching Exp and the ability to call plays.

Don't defend Coley or make him something he is not just because there is "talk" he may be the next OC. We don't need recruiters we need Xs and Os.
 
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It's not right to judge Coley by his one year at FIU. He was going to war armed with boxcutters and spitballs. No-one could have been successful with that team or offense. He is one **** of a recruiter, he is a solid coach and if Golden thinks that he is the best option for this team, then I will agree. I recalls few years back many people who just gushed over the Mark Whipple hire and for the most part he was a bum. I also recall many people bashing Fisch and he was rock solid. Let this play out and trust in Golden. I am sure he has more invested in this ad has more knowledge of what Coley can or can't do than most of us all here combined.
 
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Fisch, had lamer Miller and Duke Johnson to thank for his career here at Miami...took some heat off Jacory and Stephen.
 
It's not right to judge Coley by his one year at FIU. He was going to war armed with boxcutters and spitballs. No-one could have been successful with that team or offense. He is one **** of a recruiter, he is a solid coach and if Golden thinks that he is the best option for this team, then I will agree. I recalls few years back many people who just gushed over the Mark Whipple hire and for the most part he was a bum. I also recall many people bashing Fisch and he was rock solid. Let this play out and trust in Golden. I am sure he has more invested in this ad has more knowledge of what Coley can or can't do than most of us all here combined.

Based on what, if we can't judge his coaching at FIU and he doesn't call plays at FSU. Are you orgasming at the amount of TEs FSU has produced in his tenure? The guy doesn't give us what we need (QB Coach and Xs and Os on offense).

As for Fisch v. Coley, not the same at all. Fisch had the QB coaching exp. and he earned it in the NFL and not ONE YEAR AT FIU. But let's not compare 2010 Al Golden coming from Temple (few contacts) and 2012 Al Golden with an offense ready to go (more contacts and major program).

As for Whipple your opening up a can of worms and taking this thread straight toward irrelevantville. Oh people gushed at a hire under RS, FUCCCCCKING IRRELEVANT!

If Golden wants this guy to be his guy, that is his call and I trust him. I am just giving our thoughts on Coley.
 
Golden has done pretty well with his hires. Both guys leaving were promoted, not asked to leave. I think he would get input from Cristobal obviously, but also I would think he would have to come in prepared like Golden was himself when he interviewed for the Miami job and show exactly what he would have in mind for the offense. There's no way Golden would hire him just based on recruiting.
 
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My point exactly. Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. And no one here knows enough about what is going on. For all we know, this could be another John Gruden to Miami false alarm. Let it play out. And, Fisch was bashed over his tenure at Minnesota. He may have had some success coaching QBs in the NFL, but that doesnt make you a good OC. You need to give a man a chance to compete, a chance to have success. More than just 1 season at FIU. FIU was ranked last or second to last the year before Coley was OC. He had nothing to work with. All
 
My point exactly. Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one. And no one here knows enough about what is going on. For all we know, this could be another John Gruden to Miami false alarm. Let it play out. And, Fisch was bashed over his tenure at Minnesota. He may have had some success coaching QBs in the NFL, but that doesnt make you a good OC. You need to give a man a chance to compete, a chance to have success. More than just 1 season at FIU. FIU was ranked last or second to last the year before Coley was OC. He had nothing to work with. All

A few things:

1. Were you on canesport?

2. Wow, you're quite mistaken. You also just brushed over Fisch spending 8-9 years in the NFL quite quickly. Yes, 8-9 years in the NFL. That is a lot.

3. The problem is we need a QB coach (Fisch had exp.) and an OC (Fisch was green). Coley really has neither.

4. Al Golden has increased his contacts since he first got here and hired Fisch. Do you see the difference and why we need to stop bringing up Fisch? Probably not.

5. Again being at a garbage program (Coley at FIU) doesn't mean much, so why hire the guy? I understand he had **** to work with and did NOTHING with it. So does that mean hire the guy? Also, didn't you already say we can't judge what he did at FIU? If we can't judge it, then stop bringing it up.

Let me keep it simple for the simpletons

Coley LACKS QB Coaching exp AND Jimbo calls the plays at FSU. We know he can recruit but we already can recruit. We just got Cristoball too.
 
This hire to me would depend on what Golden thinks his upside is. Some coaches improve greatly with experience, others don't.

This, Golden knows he needs to start winning and that the offense is ready to roll, if he thinks Coley is the man for the job I'll trust his judgement.

I also believe we would have to get rid of a coach to bring in an QB coach, so I'm assuming whomever we bring as OC will also be the QB coach.
 
My concern, do we bring in a guy who hasn't been a successful OC so far to date with an offense as good as we have right now? With the schedule breaking down as it did, this team could do big things this year with the senior QB and the loads of talent on offense. I don't want to waste this year. If Golden picks this guy then so be it, In Al I trust, but maybe a seasoned guy is the way to go.
 
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