Spoke to someone close to the Coley situation (non-Miami)

[Canez1]

Now that Fisch is gone, going forward I do not want any FSU or UF alum on staff.

Coley is a Miami native and a beast recruiter, but this team can do better and needs to do better than Coley as an OC.

Why? Because he worked at FSU? Come on man.

I want number 6 and I don't care how we get it. You think you'll mind that Coley is on the sideline when you see 6, Ermon Lane, Chad Thomas, Stacy Coley, Alex Collins, Sony, Dalvin, and the like are tearing it up on the way to a National Championship? **** No.

This is the same thinking that has AG digging us out of the shallow grave we dug hiring Coker just to get to the ship. Just sayin

 

[jerzeycane]

Now that Fisch is gone, going forward I do not want any FSU or UF alum on staff.

Coley is a Miami native and a beast recruiter, but this team can do better and needs to do better than Coley as an OC.

Why? Because he worked at FSU? Come on man.

I want number 6 and I don't care how we get it. You think you'll mind that Coley is on the sideline when you see 6, Ermon Lane, Chad Thomas, Stacy Coley, Alex Collins, Sony, Dalvin, and the like are tearing it up on the way to a National Championship? **** No.

This is the same thinking that has AG digging us out of the shallow grave we dug hiring Coker just to get to the ship. Just sayin

Coker and Shannon weren't qualified. There's a difference.

Once again, I'm not saying that he should be hired sight unseen, what I'm saying is that him getting his most recent checks from FSU, shouldn't exclude him from consideration.

 

[deleted3746]

For those pimping Coley, please elaborate on why u want him on staff.

TIA

Its not even about pimping Coley, its about shooting down the close-minded reasons why he shouldn't get the job. I'm not a coach. I won't be talking to him. I can't evaluate his vision or his teaching ability. But the reasons given for why he shouldn't be a candidate are fairly weak. Specifically when the guy who came before him that people are happy with had big issues surrounding him as well.

That is a fair statement.

Maybe Im being close-minded, but Coley doesnt impress me as an OC. He can recruit, but we dont need another recruiter.

 

[Canez1]

I get what you're saying jerzey. I'm just not convinced that we are doing anything beyond helping recruiting and sticking it to FSU if we hired Coley.

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

Only thing I i would be upset about us getting coley is that it would open up a true OC spot on FSU instead of corch jimbo to corch em up. Thing about this whol coley situation is are offense should be real good next year and if he comes and are offense balls out im sure he will get offered more money so we will be starting over again.

You're assuming Jimbo would actually be willing to give up the playcalling.

 

[deleted3746]

For those pimping Coley, please elaborate on why u want him on staff.

TIA

- Monster Recruiter
- Was Quality Control for Saban so he comes highly recommended

Don't have anymore information to work on than that and there is no more information for anyone other prospective candidates. Saying "we can do better", because he's an FSU guy, doesn't cut it. It's always very easy to say "we shouldn't hire this guy/we should fire this guy". Takes way more to say who you SHOULD hire.

This staff has monster recruiters. Recruiting isnt a weakness for this team.

Id like another NFL guy or a proven QB guru.

 

[jerzeycane]

I get what you're saying jerzey. I'm just not convinced that we are doing anything beyond helping recruiting and sticking it to FSU if we hired Coley.

I'm not either, but his recruiting prowess alone should get him in the door. His knowledge, philosophy, and vision when he's brought into Al's office, should determine whether or not he's told, "Thanks but no thanks."

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

For those pimping Coley, please elaborate on why u want him on staff.

TIA

- Monster Recruiter
- Was Quality Control for Saban so he comes highly recommended

Don't have anymore information to work on than that and there is no more information for anyone other prospective candidates. Saying "we can do better", because he's an FSU guy, doesn't cut it. It's always very easy to say "we shouldn't hire this guy/we should fire this guy". Takes way more to say who you SHOULD hire.

This staff has monster recruiters. Recruiting isnt a weakness for this team.

Id like another NFL guy or a proven QB guru.

Agreed.

 

[gcane44]

Questionable at first. But this guy has been an ALL STAR assistant wherever he has gone. I maintain that I want a straight up nerd offensive strategist for the OC hire. But, I will admit that the idea of Coley is pretty intriguing to me and would be a very creative hire IMO.

Recruiting wise, he is one of the best in the game, especially in South Florida. That is a given and would be huge because of how significantly it both bolsters our recruiting efforts and completely destroys our biggest rivals recruiting efforts (especially in trying to get into South Florida).

Additionally you won't convince that this guy doesn't know offense. Why was he promoted to OC and not Eddie Gran? Both were big time assistants, both monster recruiters, but Coley got the nod. Tommy Tuberville, a solid CFB coach, just hired Eddie Gran to be the OC at Cinci. Will he succeed? I don't know, but I do know that a coach who has won a lot of football games just hired Gran to run his offense. I find it interesting that while both about equally lethal as recruiters, it was Coley who got the promotion to aid Jimbo in running the offense. Additionally, when Stoops got his SEC HC job at Kentucky, his first choice for OC was Coley.

Jimbo calls the plays (the big negative/unknown on him), but Jimbo does not create the playbook by himself and he does not scout defenses by himself and he does not create gameplans by himself and he does not make adjustments by himself. All this leads me to believe that Coley is more than just a recruiter and knows football. If that isn't enough convincing, the fact that this guy has been a position coach at the NFL (for Saban) tells me what Saban thinks of him. Saban did not bring him to coach in the NFL because of his recruiting, obviously. The fact that he was also a quality control assistant in the NFL is huge IMO because that is basically encompasses every facet of the offense except the actual in-game play calling. Whipple was a quality control offensive assistant with the Eagles before becoming our OC. He wasn't the best, but he was def a capable offensive mind.

Furthermore, if there is one person I would trust to evaluate Coley as an OC, it would be the one HC who had him as an OC, Mario Cristobal. That guy just happens to be on our staff. If Golden hires Coley, then I'm excited about the hire because it means A.) he impressed Golden in the same way that Fisch (now NFL OC) and McDonald (now D1 OC) impressed Golden and B.) Cristobal fully believes in him as an OC. And for those that want to throw out that FIU's offense was no good in 2007, I'll say nothing about FIU was good in 2007, it was their 3rd season in FBS (D1A), they lost every game the season before and averaged 9ppg on offense. No matter how bad it looked in comparison to real FBS level teams, FIU at least jumped up to 15 ppg with Coley at the helm and some big scoring games towards the end of the season.

The recruiting coup this would cause this year and into the future paired with the reality that Coley is a very experienced and respected offensive assistant has me VERY intrigued by this.

 

[deleted3746]

So then you were saying the same when Fisch was hired. Thanks for making our point.

No, not at all.

Fisch was coming from the NFL as a QB coach, I was fine with it.

Your inference skills are weak.

He was a QB coach for less than a season when Golden targeted him. None of the QBs he mentored for that season are even still on the Seattle roster.

I was more interested in the fact he was coming from the NFL.

Coley would be coming from FSU. Big difference.

Coley spent time in the NFL. Did he lose whatever magic the NFL bestows on you when you get there?

QB coach >>> Offensive assistant or Quality control IMO

 

[hollyhood27]

Only thing I i would be upset about us getting coley is that it would open up a true OC spot on FSU instead of corch jimbo to corch em up. Thing about this whol coley situation is are offense should be real good next year and if he comes and are offense balls out im sure he will get offered more money so we will be starting over again.

You're assuming Jimbo would actually be willing to give up the playcalling.

If jimbo hasn't given up the play calling to coley then I don't know who he would do that with. Maybe his brother who was OC at fairmont state (their just got let go)

 

[deleted3746]

so let's say he's down.

Is he an upgrade over Fisch?

I have to say nay.


Can we do better?

Downgrade as an OC but an upgrade as a recruiter.

Would need a QB coach to go along with Coley.

Considering Fish masterminded zero points against KSU ND FSU and. Two stinking TDs against a bad UNC team with a default coach and couldn't get a first down in the last two possessions against a terrible UVA with an even more default of a coach.....a downgrade at OC means we lose 6 to 7 Games a year now.

Lulz.

Look at Jacory under Whipple, then Jacory under Gaytor boy.

Look at Morris under Whippe, then Morris under Gaytor boy.

 

[jerzeycane]

I'll ask Killa, would you give Coley an interview?

 

[Kevin]

Gcane pretty much erased anyone who should have any doubts.

 

[deleted3746]

Questionable at first. But this guy has been an ALL STAR assistant wherever he has gone. I maintain that I want a straight up nerd offensive strategist for the OC hire. But, I will admit that the idea of Coley is pretty intriguing to me and would be a very creative hire IMO.

Recruiting wise, he is one of the best in the game, especially in South Florida. That is a given and would be huge because of how significantly it both bolsters our recruiting efforts and completely destroys our biggest rivals recruiting efforts (especially in trying to get into South Florida).

Additionally you won't convince that this guy doesn't know offense. Why was he promoted to OC and not Eddie Gran? Both were big time assistants, both monster recruiters, but Coley got the nod. Tommy Tuberville, a solid CFB coach, just hired Eddie Gran to be the OC at Cinci. Will he succeed? I don't know, but I do know that a coach who has won a lot of football games just hired Gran to run his offense. I find it interesting that while both about equally lethal as recruiters, it was Coley who got the promotion to aid Jimbo in running the offense. Additionally, when Stoops got his SEC HC job at Kentucky, his first choice for OC was Coley.

Jimbo calls the plays (the big negative/unknown on him), but Jimbo does not create the playbook by himself and he does not scout defenses by himself and he does not create gameplans by himself and he does not make adjustments by himself. All this leads me to believe that Coley is more than just a recruiter and knows football. If that isn't enough convincing, the fact that this guy has been a position coach at the NFL (for Saban) tells me what Saban thinks of him. Saban did not bring him to coach in the NFL because of his recruiting, obviously. The fact that he was also a quality control assistant in the NFL is huge IMO because that is basically encompasses every facet of the offense except the actual in-game play calling. Whipple was a quality control offensive assistant with the Eagles before becoming our OC. He wasn't the best, but he was def a capable offensive mind.

Furthermore, if there is one person I would trust to evaluate Coley as an OC, it would be the one HC who had him as an OC, Mario Cristobal. That guy just happens to be on our staff. If Golden hires Coley, then I'm excited about the hire because it means A.) he impressed Golden in the same way that Fisch (now NFL OC) and McDonald (now D1 OC) impressed Golden and B.) Cristobal fully believes in him as an OC. And for those that want to throw out that FIU's offense was no good in 2007, I'll say nothing about FIU was good in 2007, it was their 3rd season in FBS (D1A), they lost every game the season before and averaged 9ppg on offense. No matter how bad it looked in comparison to real FBS level teams, FIU at least jumped up to 15 ppg with Coley at the helm and some big scoring games towards the end of the season.

The recruiting coup this would cause this year and into the future paired with the reality that Coley is a very experienced and respected offensive assistant has me VERY intrigued by this.

Solid post G. What are your reservations about Coley?

I'll ask Killa, would you give Coley an interview?

Yes. Id want to know what his offense would look like.

 

[deleted3746]

Gcane pretty much erased anyone who should have any doubts.

It was a solid post, but Im still a skeptical mutha.

 

[INCaneFan]

Remember people were whining to Kingdom Come when Fisch was hired. "Oh he sucked at Minnesota!". "Only one year of calling plays!" etc etc The moral of the story is, Trust in Albert Golden.

Why, Fisch wasn't anything special yet. Face a real defense, **** the bed. There's countless posts on how and why this guy wasn't worth the worry when he went to Jacksonville.

 

[gogeta4]

Would you trade D'Onfrio for Stoops?



Da f*ck kinda question is that NINJA.....

 

[JHallCanes]

For those pimping Coley, please elaborate on why u want him on staff.

TIA

- Monster Recruiter
- Was Quality Control for Saban so he comes highly recommended

Don't have anymore information to work on than that and there is no more information for anyone other prospective candidates. Saying "we can do better", because he's an FSU guy, doesn't cut it. It's always very easy to say "we shouldn't hire this guy/we should fire this guy". Takes way more to say who you SHOULD hire.

This staff has monster recruiters. Recruiting isnt a weakness for this team.

Id like another NFL guy or a proven QB guru.

Agreed but if we can't go that route this would be an interesting hire IMO. We wouldn't take a backseat to anyone in recruiting (if we even do now) but Golden ain't no dummy. He isn't going to bring in someone that can't coach just because he can recruit. What I do know is that if its legit Golden will be evaluating the **** out of him and see if he fits our plan. If he says yes, it would be hard for me to be upset.

 

[DaveT]

Remember people were whining to Kingdom Come when Fisch was hired. "Oh he sucked at Minnesota!". "Only one year of calling plays!" etc etc The moral of the story is, Trust in Albert Golden.

Why, Fisch wasn't anything special yet. Face a real defense, **** the bed. There's countless posts on how and why this guy wasn't worth the worry when he went to Jacksonville.

Seems people are forgetting our defense couldn't get off the field in those games, either. It's not like they were giving the offense opportunities. The offense never had a chance to gain any momentum in those games, thanks to the putrid defense.