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Spoke to someone close to the Coley situation (non-Miami)

Is there any data that suggests having prior NFL experience is indicator of success? Prior playcalling experience? Heck, Gus Malzahn was a HS coach who only got a chance with Arkansas because Nutt wanted Mitch Mustain. Look at him now.
 
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JHallCanes said:
Thread Killa said:
jerzeycane said:
Thread Killa said:
For those pimping Coley, please elaborate on why u want him on staff.

TIA
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- Monster Recruiter
- Was Quality Control for Saban so he comes highly recommended

Don't have anymore information to work on than that and there is no more information for anyone other prospective candidates. Saying "we can do better", because he's an FSU guy, doesn't cut it. It's always very easy to say "we shouldn't hire this guy/we should fire this guy". Takes way more to say who you SHOULD hire.
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This staff has monster recruiters. Recruiting isnt a weakness for this team.

Id like another NFL guy or a proven QB guru.
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Agreed but if we can't go that route this would be an interesting hire IMO. We wouldn't take a backseat to anyone in recruiting (if we even do now) but Golden ain't no dummy. He isn't going to bring in someone that can't coach just because he can recruit. What I do know is that if its legit Golden will be evaluating the **** out of him and see if he fits our plan. If he says yes, it would be hard for me to be upset.
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Fair points J, cant hate on your post at all.
 
jbryant62 said:
Is there any data that suggests having prior NFL experience is indicator of success? Prior playcalling experience? Heck, Gus Malzahn was a HS coach who only got a chance with Arkansas because Nutt wanted Mitch Mustain. Look at him now.
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So we should hire Doug Gatewood then?
 
Thread Killa said:
gcane44 said:
Questionable at first. But this guy has been an ALL STAR assistant wherever he has gone. I maintain that I want a straight up nerd offensive strategist for the OC hire. But, I will admit that the idea of Coley is pretty intriguing to me and would be a very creative hire IMO.

Recruiting wise, he is one of the best in the game, especially in South Florida. That is a given and would be huge because of how significantly it both bolsters our recruiting efforts and completely destroys our biggest rivals recruiting efforts (especially in trying to get into South Florida).

Additionally you won't convince that this guy doesn't know offense. Why was he promoted to OC and not Eddie Gran? Both were big time assistants, both monster recruiters, but Coley got the nod. Tommy Tuberville, a solid CFB coach, just hired Eddie Gran to be the OC at Cinci. Will he succeed? I don't know, but I do know that a coach who has won a lot of football games just hired Gran to run his offense. I find it interesting that while both about equally lethal as recruiters, it was Coley who got the promotion to aid Jimbo in running the offense. Additionally, when Stoops got his SEC HC job at Kentucky, his first choice for OC was Coley.

Jimbo calls the plays (the big negative/unknown on him), but Jimbo does not create the playbook by himself and he does not scout defenses by himself and he does not create gameplans by himself and he does not make adjustments by himself. All this leads me to believe that Coley is more than just a recruiter and knows football. If that isn't enough convincing, the fact that this guy has been a position coach at the NFL (for Saban) tells me what Saban thinks of him. Saban did not bring him to coach in the NFL because of his recruiting, obviously. The fact that he was also a quality control assistant in the NFL is huge IMO because that is basically encompasses every facet of the offense except the actual in-game play calling. Whipple was a quality control offensive assistant with the Eagles before becoming our OC. He wasn't the best, but he was def a capable offensive mind.

Furthermore, if there is one person I would trust to evaluate Coley as an OC, it would be the one HC who had him as an OC, Mario Cristobal. That guy just happens to be on our staff. If Golden hires Coley, then I'm excited about the hire because it means A.) he impressed Golden in the same way that Fisch (now NFL OC) and McDonald (now D1 OC) impressed Golden and B.) Cristobal fully believes in him as an OC. And for those that want to throw out that FIU's offense was no good in 2007, I'll say nothing about FIU was good in 2007, it was their 3rd season in FBS (D1A), they lost every game the season before and averaged 9ppg on offense. No matter how bad it looked in comparison to real FBS level teams, FIU at least jumped up to 15 ppg with Coley at the helm and some big scoring games towards the end of the season.

The recruiting coup this would cause this year and into the future paired with the reality that Coley is a very experienced and respected offensive assistant has me VERY intrigued by this.
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Solid post G. What are your reservations about Coley?



jerzeycane said:
I'll ask Killa, would you give Coley an interview?
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Yes. Id want to know what his offense would look like.
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My reservations are just the unknown. If you look into it, there seems to be a lot out there to suggest that Coley is a trustworthy offensive mind. But, obviously there is not much track record in terms of playcalling. The extent of his involvement in shaping FSU's offense and gameplanning is likely significant, but we can't know with certainty.

As ridiculous as it sounds, that is why I maintain I am very excited about this hire IF Golden makes it. Golden's offensive hires so far at Miami have been outstanding IMO. A guy with virtually no OC experience is now an NFL OC after being OC at Miami for 2 years and a WR Coach with no playcalling experience is now Syracuse's OC after being Miami's WR Coach for 2 years. IMO Coach Richardson is one of the next RB coaches in the nation Kehoe is Kehoe. So, if the hire is made that means that Golden is impressed by not just Coley's resume, but by Coley's offensive outlook. Pair that with Cristobal's endorsement (which would obviously be present if he is being hired) and it would lead me to believe that Coley has what it takes

I am in no way guaranteeing that Coley will be a great OC. I am simply stating that if they do make the hire, I think it is due to truly knowing enough about Coley to make an extremely educated hire (having Cristobal here is huge for Golden to gauge Coley's worth as an OC) and with that, if they decide to pull the trigger it indicates that it is likely a good hire.
 
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I don't know how anybody can think Coley had a better resume than Fisch coming in. Fisch had been a OC in college and a WR coach & QB coach in the NFL. Coley has basically no coaching exp. in the NFL. Quality Control is not coaching. Now, Coley might be great but it's really hard to tell cause FSU offense hasnt really lit it up, they are as inconsistent as any O in the country. Also, is it him or is it Jimbo. I don't know, I would prob. prefer Lubick just b/c his pedigree w/ his pops and how he's apparently done a good job under Cutclife. Kinda same thing though is it Lubick or Cutclife.....Dammm. No but seriously Lubick/Cutclife maxed out what they had to work wit, while Coley/Fisher had as much talent as anybody and were crazy inconsistent.
 
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If Coley had the same career path but was currently, and I'm just making this up, co-offensive coordinator at Alabama but someone else called the plays, I think we'd all be a bit more optimistic and excited. The fact he's coming from FSU, has almost certainly negative recruited the **** out of us, and acts like a knucklehead on twitter makes it hard to like him. I'm wary of his ability as an OC, but if he becomes our OC, both Mario and Golden wanted him and that's reassuring.
 
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I'd love to give an opinion on the Coley situation, but I don't know enough about him as a technical O-coordinator. And, that scares the **** out of me. We're dangerously low on technical strategists.
 
CaneFanJosh said:
If Coley had the same career path but was currently, and I'm just making this up, co-offensive coordinator at Alabama but someone else called the plays, I think we'd all be a bit more optimistic and excited. The fact he's coming from FSU, has almost certainly negative recruited the **** out of us, and acts like a knucklehead on twitter makes it hard to like him. I'm wary of his ability as an OC, but if he becomes our OC, both Mario and Golden wanted him and that's reassuring.
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Bama was 31st in total O, and 75th in passing O. I'd be more concerned about hiring a co-OC from Bama than I would from FSU right now, honestly.
 
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Hurricanestorm said:
Shogungts said:
DMoney said:
What surprised me most about the conversation is that it sounded like FSU wasn't an option. It was Miami or something else.
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B/c he wants out of FSU or b/c FSU wants him out?
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Look at all the FSU coaches on the move recently. Very telling IMO about the culture amongst the staff. Jimbo is the common denominator....
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I realize that, but when D says that 'FSU wasn't an option', it made me pause.
 
I don't really see it as legit until Al talks to him. All it is without the HC talking to him is chatter or Coley trying to get the job.
 
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LuCane said:
I'd love to give an opinion on the Coley situation, but I don't know enough about him as a technical O-coordinator. And, that scares the **** out of me. We're dangerously low on technical strategists.
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It is scary....but what's Saban's famous quote about not being the best coach...but being the best recruiter. I'll take it, plus I have faith in Golden to make the right hire. All that said the sooner Coley is gone from FSU the better.
 
gacericardo said:
Mico Jones said:
Don't like the Coley idea from an X's and O's standpoint.

We need someone stronger.
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So what can you tell me about Coleys x's and o's?
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His offense that one year at FIU stunk up the joint and he's never coached QBs other than that one stint at FIU.

But I'm sure he's posted plenty of XOXOs on his twitter account for recruits.
 
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INCaneFan said:
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Remember people were whining to Kingdom Come when Fisch was hired. "Oh he sucked at Minnesota!". "Only one year of calling plays!" etc etc The moral of the story is, Trust in Albert Golden.
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Why, Fisch wasn't anything special yet. Face a real defense, **** the bed. There's countless posts on how and why this guy wasn't worth the worry when he went to Jacksonville.
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Meant to neg you. Go back to Scout with your mope-*** BS.
 
The legend of Jed Fisch has certainly exceeded his actual results. There's really no arguing the fact that our offense crapped the sheets against the better defenses we faced last year. He did an OK job here last year, but the hype's getting out of control. We should definitely be able to upgrade the playcalling with this next hire. I don't think Coley is that answer, but it's not like he'd be attempting to replace Bill Walsh. Fisch didn't set the bar unreachably high.

If it was up to me, I'd go after a proven playcaller. There's too much talent on the offensive side of the ball to take a wild chance on a complete unknown. Coley might turn out to be the second coming of Don Coryell, or he might be Pat Nix II. The uncertainty factor is too high, which makes the reward not worth the risk.

With a proven grey beard or a younger gun who has gotten done at a smaller school you generally know what you're getting. I'd like a guy who has proven he knows what he's doing and can handle the quick cool thinking necessary to be a great OC at this level.

Aside from his recruiting prowess, I've seen nothing that indicates Coley would be a great hire. I've seen guys claiming Fisch didn't have a great resume' and turned out OK, but that's not quality logic. Just because a guy with a shaky resume' did OK doesn't mean another guy with a shaky resume' will do well. I've also seen guys talking about him being an NFL assistant. So what? Brian Daboll's been an NFL assistant for many years, and has been hired twice by the great Bill Babychick. Yet, NO ONE wants that guy as our OC.
 
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