Some early buzz from spring

[jazperbc]

Excluding Brown, are all of the other quarterbacks completing all of their passes in practice? That’s great if they are, but it sure as **** sounds like Brown is the only one in practice not completing all of his his passes.

This is a bit exaggerated but there was a noticeable difference in accuracy between TVD/Garcia and Brown but there is absolutely no drop off in arm talent. If Brown can gets things tightened up….there surely is a major future there.

 

[jazperbc]

Yes .. I mean you look at Jacurri Brown's overall production as a High School QB ... he had more PASSING TD'S than Jake Garcia and TVD ... combined ... and in addition to that he had another 54 rushing TD's. Are you freaking kidding me??

-TVD 4643 pass yards (39 Pass TDs) and 267 rush yards.
-Jake 4278 pass yards (47 pass TD) and 43 rush yards (don't know why some people feel he is 'mobile').
-Jacurri 5552 pass yards (51 pass TDs) and 4205 rushing yards with 54 rushing TD's. Heck ... he might be the best RB on the roster.

Ponce has to spend time with Jacurri ... kid is a rare, special player.

Now do passing yards and TDs per game. Garcia lost part of his junior year and senior year and TVD started under 20 games in HS. But….you may be right about Brown’s future. If he works hard, he will be a fun watch.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

No need to overthink James Williams.

Like AR82 said (I will continue to note, he goes hard for the Canes still), 0 needs to never leave the field. Move him around, be creative with him, and that seems to be Steele's thinking in regards to the safety trio.

 

[Jassid82]

James Williams is closer to Ray Ray than Sean T. He more fluid than Ray Ray though i will say that.
Comparing anybody to Sean isnt right TBH

Agree with this. Hes not Sean T but hes not Ray Ray either. Its JWs fluid movement that tells me this theory that he will eventually be a LB is definitely inaccurate. Ray Ray was just a OLB posing as a FS because of all the Sean T comparisons that he had to live up to. (He put it on himself too by wearing the number).

Steele won't mess this up. You dont get many shots at a specimen like JW. He was a legit 5* and top 15 player in the country for a reason.

 

[Milkcane]

I don’t think anybody strictly wants him to be a LB, at least no one with any sense.

But a kid his size with his skill set has the ability to be a versatile Defender.

The same way Isaiah Simmons & Jayron Kearse were used at Clemson, or Derwin James at FSU.

You can move him all over the field in certain packages & use his freakish ability to the Defenses advantage.

He can be a Swiss Army knife Defender & give the Defense more flexibility in certain personnel groupings on 3rd Downs, Blitz packages & in Nickel coverage etc..

We could realistically have JWill, Kam, Tae, Chase Smith, Keontra & Gilbert all on the field at the same time.

I'm praying for the same thing. The day this happens I might cry real tears. That would be the fastest, most athletic back 7 we've seen in loooong time... all dogs and playmakers!!!

 

[3FW]

Agree with Dmoney, we don't have the playmakers on offense and defense to play with the big boys. What we do have is a QB with enough weapons that if we can put together any type of defense, we can beat that next group and be a very solid top 20 type team.

 

[Rickd]

Now do passing yards and TDs per game. Garcia lost part of his junior year and senior year and TVD started under 20 games in HS. But….you may be right about Brown’s future. If he works hard, he will be a fun watch.

TVD played in 32 games (4643 yards passing 39 TDs / 16 ints 5 rush tds
Garcia played in 24 games (4178 yards passing 47 ads / 15 ints 4 rush tds
Jacurri played in 53 games (5552 yards passing 51 ads 17 int (rush 54 td)

 

[ddann]

We’re thin, we lack elite playmakers, our OL is short and gas prices are up.

Also, I heard James Bryant was moved from LB to FB.

 

[jhtheking]

Yes .. I mean you look at Jacurri Brown's overall production as a High School QB ... he had more PASSING TD'S than Jake Garcia and TVD ... combined ... and in addition to that he had another 54 rushing TD's. Are you freaking kidding me??

-TVD 4643 pass yards (39 Pass TDs) and 267 rush yards.
-Jake 4278 pass yards (47 pass TD) and 43 rush yards (don't know why some people feel he is 'mobile').
-Jacurri 5552 pass yards (51 pass TDs) and 4205 rushing yards with 54 rushing TD's. Heck ... he might be the best RB on the roster.

Ponce has to spend time with Jacurri ... kid is a rare, special player.

Brown did not have more pass tds than TVD and Jake combined..

 

[KrazyCane]

James Williams is closer to Ray Ray than Sean T. He more fluid than Ray Ray though i will say that.
Comparing anybody to Sean isnt right TBH

James Williams is a much better athlete than Ray Ray… I think a better comparison Is a more physical taller Kenny Phillips.

 

[ben]

Also, I heard James Bryant was moved from LB to FB.

Huge if big

 

[Canesdave]

Who wants to try and spell it?

Justice Oluwaseun

 

[AlexCane]

F-that, he aint spending 5 years here so why RS? I agree he is likely too light to play every down and would have a bigger learning curve against the run but on obvious passing downs? He can be that DE, think Garvin his TF year. I think he came in at 6'4 235 and while not having a huge impact, played in all 13 games, two huge strip sacks for us, dude was a problem off the edge when his only responsibility was go get the QB.

Edit: Even though I hate comparing players to rivals, look at Brian Burns. I think dude played at FSU around 220 his entire career. Came out of HS weight 209 and had 9 sacks his freshman year. Moss can do that. Also DE and OL are different when it comes to that weight/size analysis.

But he's not Garvin. Garvin was not as long and lean as Moss. I recall seeing Garvin on campus. He was a physically impressive kid. Moss both on video and in pics looks really thin. If we are going to do comparisons, he's likely closer to Jabari Ishmael who was listed at 6'5" 210 coming in. If anyone saw Ishmael on the sidelines last season, you can see he needed physical development over a redshirt season. I don't want to compare Moss to GR15 b/c that's a lofty comparison, but GR needed that redshirt season too. He too is a long, lean guy like Moss.

Anyways, we shall see. I think whether Moss sees the field will likely depend on what steps both Ishmael and Thomas Davis have made. We know Harvey, Roberts, and Chantz will be in the rotation; I am sure the staff wants 1 guy from the others to assert himself for the 4th spot.

 

[Cookie917]

But he's not Garvin. Garvin was not as long and lean as Moss. I recall seeing Garvin on campus. He was a physically impressive kid. Moss both on video and in pics looks really thin. If we are going to do comparisons, he's likely closer to Jabari Ishmael who was listed at 6'5" 210 coming in. If anyone saw Ishmael on the sidelines last season, you can see he needed physical development over a redshirt season. I don't want to compare Moss to GR15 b/c that's a lofty comparison, but GR needed that redshirt season too. He too is a long, lean guy like Moss.

Anyways, we shall see. I think whether Moss sees the field will likely depend on what steps both Ishmael and Thomas Davis have made. We know Harvey, Roberts, and Chantz will be in the rotation; I am sure the staff wants 1 guy from the others to assert himself for the 4th spot.

I know but I guess my point is we redshirted GR15 and he was still gone in 3 years so what is the point?

I agree with you if we have to rely on Moss for heavy minutes we are likely in trouble. Moss is also WAYYYY more athletic than Ishmael.

Garvin at the end of his tenure was physically imposing and got yoked up but he was the same weight coming in as Moss and as a TF he did look skinny out there. That is why I also gave the burns comparison as both were top 100 players and the fact Moss has those long as arms will help him more than hurt even if he needs to add weight. He will be able to use that speed to get around the edge and grab a QB or swat the ball (think burns against N'Kosi) without needing to be that close.

My point is we do not have a Garvin, or JP or Rosseau who can go get the QB in obvious passing downs. Moss can fill that roll.

 

[AlexCane]

I know but I guess my point is we redshirted GR15 and he was still gone in 3 years so what is the point?

I agree with you if we have to rely on Moss for heavy minutes we are likely in trouble. Moss is also WAYYYY more athletic than Ishmael.

Garvin at the end of his tenure was physically imposing and got yoked up but he was the same weight coming in as Moss and as a TF he did look skinny out there. That is why I also gave the burns comparison as both were top 100 players and the fact Moss has those long as arms will help him more than hurt even if he needs to add weight. He will be able to use that speed to get around the edge and grab a QB or swat the ball (think burns against N'Kosi) without needing to be that close.

My point is we do not have a Garvin, or JP or Rosseau who can go get the QB in obvious passing downs. Moss can fill that roll.

But kids can't be provided playing time merely because they might be 3 and gone. Kids need to earn it obviously and not at the expense of someone more qualified at the moment. We have repeatedly lamented over the last several years our line play, much of it because we play young kids because of a lack of experience or depth (due to recruiting, scholly limitations, transfers, early NFL departures, whatever). If we put physically undeveloped kids at a position where physical development is at a premium, then we're throwing S&C under the bus b/c we're getting pushed around in the trenches. So it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Cookie917]

But kids can't be provided playing time merely because they might be 3 and gone. Kids need to earn it obviously and not at the expense of someone more qualified at the moment. We have repeatedly lamented over the last several years our line play, much of it because we play young kids because of a lack of experience or depth (due to recruiting, scholly limitations, transfers, early NFL departures, whatever). If we put physically undeveloped kids at a position where physical development is at a premium, then we're throwing S&C under the bus b/c we're getting pushed around in the trenches. So it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I get you dont play them just because they might be 3 and gone but you do not think GR15 his RS year could have had more production than a Pat Joyner, which in turn is better for the team? If Moss legitimately is beaten on Greentree by an older guy (whether it is Ishmael or Davis or whoever) then that is fine the entire point is moot, if we had GR15, JP and Roche still you are right he does not likely see the field. But you are arguing to throw in perhaps a less talented player because they are older and thus stronger and bigger. That is likewise a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You are saying to RS Moss JUST because of his weight.

Lets not forget how this started, you stated Moss is 220lbs and asked us to remember how Zion got pushed around as a TF (again I disagree with the comparison between the two but that was your point to make) and stated Moss needs a RS to focus on physical development. We both agree he should not be counted on for starter level snaps. We disagree that I think Moss will beat out Ish and can have a Garvin or Burns like freshman impact as a pass rushing specialist as a FR and you want him to RS to get bigger and be that guy next year.

 

[Rickd]

Brown did not have more pass tds than TVD and Jake combined..

No ... it should have read "had more total yardage than TVD and Jake Combined". His rushing yardage was pretty amazing.

 

[Silver King]

- Starting OL has been Zion-Troure-Clark-Justice-Scaife... (with Scaife pushed in and Troure/Justice moving to second team).

So what you're saying is nothing's changed with Scaife - another year of him not being able to play a position and then he gets a fallback position. Please let his not be so, or its another "Groundhog day."

 

[AlexCane]

I get you dont play them just because they might be 3 and gone but you do not think GR15 his RS year could have had more production than a Pat Joyner, which in turn is better for the team? If Moss legitimately is beaten on Greentree by an older guy (whether it is Ishmael or Davis or whoever) then that is fine the entire point is moot, if we had GR15, JP and Roche still you are right he does not likely see the field. But you are arguing to throw in perhaps a less talented player because they are older and thus stronger and bigger. That is likewise a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You are saying to RS Moss JUST because of his weight.

Lets not forget how this started, you stated Moss is 220lbs and asked us to remember how Zion got pushed around as a TF (again I disagree with the comparison between the two but that was your point to make) and stated Moss needs a RS to focus on physical development. We both agree he should not be counted on for starter level snaps. We disagree that I think Moss will beat out Ish and can have a Garvin or Burns like freshman impact as a pass rushing specialist as a FR and you want him to RS to get bigger and be that guy next year.

You're putting words in my mouth a little bit.

I'm not predicting what Moss can or can't do this year. I'm no recruitnik! I don't watch HS film and prognosticate about his talent. Simply stated, I think the likelihood of a true freshman playing along the line (that goes for OL too) is rarer than a true freshman WR, DB or RB, where physical development matters much less. I think the likelihood of him getting burn is small unless he's simply a stud or we have injuries. That's just me playing the odds.

 

[DTP]

Moss is scrawny right now so if he plays at all, it's purely in a reserve pass rush package. The good thing about the 4 game redshirt rule is you don't have to make the decision before the season starts. He'll likely get a few snaps in a blowout game and if he's overwhelmed, play him in is four games and give him a shirt. If he's holding his own in practice and can pack on some weight, then give him a shot in the rotation. You really have nothing to lose. Either he's not ready for college football and gets red shirted or he can contribute now and doesn't get red shirted.