Significant changes in attitude and

[arcane]

Oh, boy, we have one clown chatting about "bulk of scholarships" to be lost (apparently never got the memo related to skating) and another about lack of depth at safety.

I think a successful season will be 9 - 10 wins. Personally, I see 7-8 wins with this group. We still have a ways to go for elite talent on the roster, and if we can keep the 2016 kids committed when that signing day comes, talent will drastically improve.

7 wins is a disaster. Golden would not survive. He may live to coach next year, but that would be it. We have plenty of elite talent on this roster, we just don't have enough elite talent with enough experience.

A 7 win season will get Al canned. Especially considering that our arch rival is poised to pick up their 4th NC.

Mmmmmmm...no.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Unfortunately I've bought in to this before from Golden and co.

I'll wait until I see the team on the field before deciding whether the attitude has changed.

Excuse me but what exactly did you buy before?

That's the problem, you probably had some unrealistic expectations set on the team when you really shouldn't have and now you feel jaded.
No, we were not going to win the ACC in any of the 3 priors years.
Yeah, last year the Coastal was in sights and it sucks as **** that we couldn't find a way to win it. Golden does deserve criticism for how the season ended, but go back to before that season and many were predicting 7-8 win season with the highest anyone was putting them at was 9 wins. Well guess what that's what we ended up with.. So again, what the **** did you buy before?

 

[rsncane]

Overall very impressed that we are now "boys to men" and not thin like we were a few years back. I am not the computer savvy poster like most are but it would be interesting to get a before and after on our athletes to see the bulk they have increased to. Can someone walk me through making something like this?

Thank you

OP subtly looking for shirtless pics. Creepy.

No one claimed to see shirtless pictures of our kids what's creepy is your hidden desire to see them shirtless. While you fight with your homo desire you can see size with clothing on freak............

 

[rsncane]

I think 2016 will be a beautiful team to watch but we will be losing lots of players and the bulk of scholarships. So we will be in a rebuilding stage once again until we are done with losing scholarships. However I want to see what this years team can do.

is this an early excuse?

not at all

 

[INCaneFan]

This is the reason I'm hyped for this team and the future. The culture has changed and it's night and day from the Shannon days. It seems like these boys really want to put in the work, do the things necessary to win games. It just feels different for me.

Dumbest **** ever that fans make up, culture. It doesn't feel different, you're just hoping it is. Change the names to Shannon and Coker, same things were posted under Shannon.

Ive said it before, football is a abstract game. Its a art, not a science. If you dont think it matters how you run your program on a day to day basis then I dont know what to tell you. Your lack of understanding on this is the exact reason why 99% of the posters here couldnt be a coach(Myself included). Im sure you could scribble some plays on a napkin but coaching is as much about motivation and managing people as it is Xs and Os.

Maybe i am wrong about the feeling I have, but your assertion that culture is something made up by fans is straight wrong. The culture matters, and its what separates the top coaches from the rest.

I apologize for the confusion as I didn't state myself clearly on my first post.

Culture, or whatever name you choose to give it, is important in any sport. The problem I have with fans who aren't attached to the program in any capacity is they make large leaps causing statements that make absolutely no sense off of limited information. There's nothing to "feel" here, there's just hope on your part. Additionally, culture isn't the only thing that separates good coaches from the rest, but that another discussion entirely. I'd also take an elite X and O guy over an elite motivator.

This is the reason I'm hyped for this team and the future. The culture has changed and it's night and day from the Shannon days. It seems like these boys really want to put in the work, do the things necessary to win games. It just feels different for me.

I mean honestly, how the f do you know it's changed? You aren't there, reading the same canned quotes we all are. I'm hopeful of course but a decade of lame makes me Missouri. Show me.

This poster, hard to disagree with.

When Coker left, the country club was closing and part of his failed regime was here to save the day. People said he was good for at least two more wins on discipline alone and the dumb ******* said he'd shoot himself if we didn't win 8 or 9 games (I forget which it was) his first season. He didn't make it to that mark his first season and as we all know, he didn't shoot himself. Coaches say dumb**** all the time, so do players, and so do fans.

Now here we are year four under the slick car salesman and the season is fast approaching. People are making the same dumb illogical statements they make every spring and fall every single year. We heard all about his discipline, how he was some master motivator, etc....why didn't that work in years past? I was cracking up last year when people were talking about the D after the Spring Game like it was going to be one of the best in the nation. We have a lot of holes and question marks, a **** poor record of good performance under this guy, and yet people take little blurbs or video highlight then run with it.

Simple question, when was the last spring or fall where you had a lot of comments saying the team or players were struggling a lot? Don't bother trying to find them, there's some out there, but it's mostly rainbows and sunshine....that's what the spring/fall is all about. It isn't reality, hasn't been for a long time, but take that leap of faith/hope and run with it.

 

[OldhamA]

Unfortunately I've bought in to this before from Golden and co.

I'll wait until I see the team on the field before deciding whether the attitude has changed.

Excuse me but what exactly did you buy before?

That's the problem, you probably had some unrealistic expectations set on the team when you really shouldn't have and now you feel jaded.
No, we were not going to win the ACC in any of the 3 priors years.
Yeah, last year the Coastal was in sights and it sucks as **** that we couldn't find a way to win it. Golden does deserve criticism for how the season ended, but go back to before that season and many were predicting 7-8 win season with the highest anyone was putting them at was 9 wins. Well guess what that's what we ended up with.. So again, what the **** did you buy before?

I had realistic expectations of a defence that wouldn't give up 500 yards to everyone.

Literally, everyone.

 

[INCaneFan]

Unfortunately I've bought in to this before from Golden and co.

I'll wait until I see the team on the field before deciding whether the attitude has changed.

Excuse me but what exactly did you buy before?

That's the problem, you probably had some unrealistic expectations set on the team when you really shouldn't have and now you feel jaded.
No, we were not going to win the ACC in any of the 3 priors years.
Yeah, last year the Coastal was in sights and it sucks as **** that we couldn't find a way to win it. Golden does deserve criticism for how the season ended, but go back to before that season and many were predicting 7-8 win season with the highest anyone was putting them at was 9 wins. Well guess what that's what we ended up with.. So again, what the **** did you buy before?

A good many people predicted above 9 wins, so let's not make stuff up to push your agenda.

Going into last season, the only two teams on the schedule we didn't have equal or better talent on paper to was FSU for sure with the Gates next. That was widely accepted and one would think at that point the season expectation should be 10 wins, not including post season. The problem then is what? People don't believe in Al and went from there, not knowing where the losses would come from, but knowing they would come.

Please don't pump those 9 wins either. The UF game, thought to be a challenge, thank you Chris Rix 2.0. The wins against Wake and UNC taking until the last minutes, pathetic. The entire season was a dumpster fire, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Republicane]

Unfortunately I've bought in to this before from Golden and co.

I'll wait until I see the team on the field before deciding whether the attitude has changed.

Excuse me but what exactly did you buy before?

That's the problem, you probably had some unrealistic expectations set on the team when you really shouldn't have and now you feel jaded.
No, we were not going to win the ACC in any of the 3 priors years.
Yeah, last year the Coastal was in sights and it sucks as **** that we couldn't find a way to win it. Golden does deserve criticism for how the season ended, but go back to before that season and many were predicting 7-8 win season with the highest anyone was putting them at was 9 wins. Well guess what that's what we ended up with.. So again, what the **** did you buy before?

I had realistic expectations of a defence that wouldn't give up 500 yards to everyone.

Literally, everyone.

There's your problem right there. Ludicrous, pie in the sky expectations. What did you expect?

 

[arcane]

Unfortunately I've bought in to this before from Golden and co.

I'll wait until I see the team on the field before deciding whether the attitude has changed.

Excuse me but what exactly did you buy before?

That's the problem, you probably had some unrealistic expectations set on the team when you really shouldn't have and now you feel jaded.
No, we were not going to win the ACC in any of the 3 priors years.
Yeah, last year the Coastal was in sights and it sucks as **** that we couldn't find a way to win it. Golden does deserve criticism for how the season ended, but go back to before that season and many were predicting 7-8 win season with the highest anyone was putting them at was 9 wins. Well guess what that's what we ended up with.. So again, what the **** did you buy before?

I had realistic expectations of a defence that wouldn't give up 500 yards to everyone.

Literally, everyone.

But if your expectations turned out to be wrong, then wouldn't that also mean that they had been unrealistic?

 

[fndffsu]

I thought we had this change of attitude before last season?

 

[JHallCanes]

We play in the ACC. That alone says our schedule is soft. Our OOC schedule is solid but nothing to be afraid of. If this team has improved AT ALL it makes the ACCCG. I mean we were in the thick of it with the two worst defenses in the programs history. ****. We can't improve on THAT?

 

[ProjectMKUltra5]

This is the reason I'm hyped for this team and the future. The culture has changed and it's night and day from the Shannon days. It seems like these boys really want to put in the work, do the things necessary to win games. It just feels different for me.

Dumbest **** ever that fans make up, culture. It doesn't feel different, you're just hoping it is. Change the names to Shannon and Coker, same things were posted under Shannon.

Ive said it before, football is a abstract game. Its a art, not a science. If you dont think it matters how you run your program on a day to day basis then I dont know what to tell you. Your lack of understanding on this is the exact reason why 99% of the posters here couldnt be a coach(Myself included). Im sure you could scribble some plays on a napkin but coaching is as much about motivation and managing people as it is Xs and Os.

Maybe i am wrong about the feeling I have, but your assertion that culture is something made up by fans is straight wrong. The culture matters, and its what separates the top coaches from the rest.

I apologize for the confusion as I didn't state myself clearly on my first post.

Culture, or whatever name you choose to give it, is important in any sport. The problem I have with fans who aren't attached to the program in any capacity is they make large leaps causing statements that make absolutely no sense off of limited information. There's nothing to "feel" here, there's just hope on your part. Additionally, culture isn't the only thing that separates good coaches from the rest, but that another discussion entirely. I'd also take an elite X and O guy over an elite motivator.

This is the reason I'm hyped for this team and the future. The culture has changed and it's night and day from the Shannon days. It seems like these boys really want to put in the work, do the things necessary to win games. It just feels different for me.

I mean honestly, how the f do you know it's changed? You aren't there, reading the same canned quotes we all are. I'm hopeful of course but a decade of lame makes me Missouri. Show me.

This poster, hard to disagree with.

When Coker left, the country club was closing and part of his failed regime was here to save the day. People said he was good for at least two more wins on discipline alone and the dumb ******* said he'd shoot himself if we didn't win 8 or 9 games (I forget which it was) his first season. He didn't make it to that mark his first season and as we all know, he didn't shoot himself. Coaches say dumb**** all the time, so do players, and so do fans.

Now here we are year four under the slick car salesman and the season is fast approaching. People are making the same dumb illogical statements they make every spring and fall every single year. We heard all about his discipline, how he was some master motivator, etc....why didn't that work in years past? I was cracking up last year when people were talking about the D after the Spring Game like it was going to be one of the best in the nation. We have a lot of holes and question marks, a **** poor record of good performance under this guy, and yet people take little blurbs or video highlight then run with it.

Simple question, when was the last spring or fall where you had a lot of comments saying the team or players were struggling a lot? Don't bother trying to find them, there's some out there, but it's mostly rainbows and sunshine....that's what the spring/fall is all about. It isn't reality, hasn't been for a long time, but take that leap of faith/hope and run with it.

Eh, can't really disagree with that. Just that I should have been more clear in stating it was my opinion. We're all working with the same secondhand knowledge but I trust my gut, that's all this really is, call it what you may. The noise around Duke was different, same with Coley. I think the noise surrounding Kaaya is the same as them (universal acclaim).

 

[SmokeyRone]

Same stuff, EVERY preseason.

Players that were physically abused and metally intimidated by UL's punter in December come back on September 1st ready to dish out beatins?

That could be a new Charles Atlas System comic book ad.

 

[supacane]

I think 2016 will be a beautiful team to watch but we will be losing lots of players and the bulk of scholarships. So we will be in a rebuilding stage once again until we are done with losing scholarships. However I want to see what this years team can do.

Those few schollies will not make one iota of difference if were good or not. If u cant field a team with 70 players u need a new job...and we have more than that

 

[Waffle Honcho]

I want to believe, but I feel like we say the same thing every offseason. Then the season starts and our D gives up 500 yards and our "massive" o-line gets stuffed in short yardage situations.

Yeah like last year when we started 7-0.

 

[supacane]

This is the reason I'm hyped for this team and the future. The culture has changed and it's night and day from the Shannon days. It seems like these boys really want to put in the work, do the things necessary to win games. It just feels different for me.

Dumbest **** ever that fans make up, culture. It doesn't feel different, you're just hoping it is. Change the names to Shannon and Coker, same things were posted under Shannon.

Ive said it before, football is a abstract game. Its a art, not a science. If you dont think it matters how you run your program on a day to day basis then I dont know what to tell you. Your lack of understanding on this is the exact reason why 99% of the posters here couldnt be a coach(Myself included). Im sure you could scribble some plays on a napkin but coaching is as much about motivation and managing people as it is Xs and Os.

Maybe i am wrong about the feeling I have, but your assertion that culture is something made up by fans is straight wrong. The culture matters, and its what separates the top coaches from the rest.

I apologize for the confusion as I didn't state myself clearly on my first post.

Culture, or whatever name you choose to give it, is important in any sport. The problem I have with fans who aren't attached to the program in any capacity is they make large leaps causing statements that make absolutely no sense off of limited information. There's nothing to "feel" here, there's just hope on your part. Additionally, culture isn't the only thing that separates good coaches from the rest, but that another discussion entirely. I'd also take an elite X and O guy over an elite motivator.

This is the reason I'm hyped for this team and the future. The culture has changed and it's night and day from the Shannon days. It seems like these boys really want to put in the work, do the things necessary to win games. It just feels different for me.

I mean honestly, how the f do you know it's changed? You aren't there, reading the same canned quotes we all are. I'm hopeful of course but a decade of lame makes me Missouri. Show me.

This poster, hard to disagree with.

When Coker left, the country club was closing and part of his failed regime was here to save the day. People said he was good for at least two more wins on discipline alone and the dumb ******* said he'd shoot himself if we didn't win 8 or 9 games (I forget which it was) his first season. He didn't make it to that mark his first season and as we all know, he didn't shoot himself. Coaches say dumb**** all the time, so do players, and so do fans.

Now here we are year four under the slick car salesman and the season is fast approaching. People are making the same dumb illogical statements they make every spring and fall every single year. We heard all about his discipline, how he was some master motivator, etc....why didn't that work in years past? I was cracking up last year when people were talking about the D after the Spring Game like it was going to be one of the best in the nation. We have a lot of holes and question marks, a **** poor record of good performance under this guy, and yet people take little blurbs or video highlight then run with it.

Simple question, when was the last spring or fall where you had a lot of comments saying the team or players were struggling a lot? Don't bother trying to find them, there's some out there, but it's mostly rainbows and sunshine....that's what the spring/fall is all about. It isn't reality, hasn't been for a long time, but take that leap of faith/hope and run with it.

Thats it right there. After i realize No D was still going to be here i started posting less, watch the soccer world cup and just wait for the season. After so many years of this you have to wonder if we just get new fans every offseason. If you have to wait 4 years to form an opinion about a coach...chances are he is not very good. The players got bigger faster stronger.....lol as if our opponents are not saying the same thing about their players. Has our coaches got any better at game planning, teaching and coaching their schemes and philosophies? When these can be answered then you know what u got. But none of that will be answered until live bullets fly. Which wont be till Labor day. All this rah rah. Im just laughing......and waiting, with no clue what to expect.

 

[k9cane]

I keep hearing dudes talking about how different things are this year and how everything seems so much better. Then, those same dudes are telling us we should be happy with 7 or 8 wins. That's a load of ****. I don't see this rugged schedule everyone is pre-whining about.

Unless there is total injury decimation, you win 11 total and the acc coastal, or this season is a fail. If you believe in Al and UM, then show it. Quit hedging your bets on this fake hard schedule.

Agreed, Im one of last few Golden Guys on this board, and regardless of who starts at QB this year, if UM doesn't break the double-digit W barrier this season -- it's a failure. Miami is in the ACC Coastal, not the SEC West. The schedules is very manageable and I see the best UM team athletically since around 2004.

Short of what you mentioned,'injury decimation', there is no excuse. Bottom line

Im all in with this squad...and Golden and staff

 

[Spidercane]

Unfortunately I've bought in to this before from Golden and co.

I'll wait until I see the team on the field before deciding whether the attitude has changed.

Excuse me but what exactly did you buy before?

That's the problem, you probably had some unrealistic expectations set on the team when you really shouldn't have and now you feel jaded.
No, we were not going to win the ACC in any of the 3 priors years.
Yeah, last year the Coastal was in sights and it sucks as **** that we couldn't find a way to win it. Golden does deserve criticism for how the season ended, but go back to before that season and many were predicting 7-8 win season with the highest anyone was putting them at was 9 wins. Well guess what that's what we ended up with.. So again, what the **** did you buy before?

Put me in the camp that expected a somewhat competent defense.

Not me, you or anyone else expected to have some of the worst defenses in our programs history.

We were historically bad. Was our talent, the cloud, any excuse that you want to use that bad to be historically inept on defense since Golden came here?

We had bad teams with Coker and Randy. We had horrible recruiting, entitled kids, kids not working hard etc... under said coaches.

Were we ever this bad on defense? Were we this bad on defense in 97 when we were playing walk ons?

You may give the coaching staff a pass but I certainly don't.

Golden has been nothing more but an average/below average coach so far in his career.

Louisville will tell us everything we need to know.

I'm guessing we will give up a sh*t ton of yards on defense again and make virtually every QB look like the second coming of Andrew Luck.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Unfortunately I've bought in to this before from Golden and co.

I'll wait until I see the team on the field before deciding whether the attitude has changed.

Excuse me but what exactly did you buy before?

That's the problem, you probably had some unrealistic expectations set on the team when you really shouldn't have and now you feel jaded.
No, we were not going to win the ACC in any of the 3 priors years.
Yeah, last year the Coastal was in sights and it sucks as **** that we couldn't find a way to win it. Golden does deserve criticism for how the season ended, but go back to before that season and many were predicting 7-8 win season with the highest anyone was putting them at was 9 wins. Well guess what that's what we ended up with.. So again, what the **** did you buy before?

Put me in the camp that expected a somewhat competent defense.

Not me, you or anyone else expected to have some of the worst defenses in our programs history.

We were historically bad. Was our talent, the cloud, any excuse that you want to use that bad to be historically inept on defense since Golden came here?

We had bad teams with Coker and Randy. We had horrible recruiting, entitled kids, kids not working hard etc... under said coaches.

Were we ever this bad on defense? Were we this bad on defense in 97 when we were playing walk ons?

You may give the coaching staff a pass but I certainly don't.

Golden has been nothing more but an average/below average coach so far in his career.

Louisville will tell us everything we need to know.

I'm guessing we will give up a sh*t ton of yards on defense again and make virtually every QB look like the second coming of Andrew Luck.

I hope I'm wrong.

Again, I could care less what you expected. And trust me I too expected more from the defense, a lot more.
And yes, our talent was that bad. So was our depth. Offense not being able to convert on 3rd downs didn't help.
I've reconciled all this against my expectations and accept it. You obviously still haven't.
But in spite our "historically" bad defense ( which I think some folks are forgetting JJ's 84 defense), we won 9 games.
Funny you brought 97 WHEN WE ONLY WON 5 games. what the *** do I care that we didn't have a historically bad defense that year?
It's like some of you would have cared less what are record was as long as we fielded a top 30 defense.

 

[JgDaCane]

lmao safety..were loaded