Sean Spence weighs in on the Defense...interesting read

[LuCane]

Dear God are you clowns really gonna act like you understand football more than Sean spence?

It comes down to toughness, tackling , playing physical. Which coach is at fault there? Hint, his name rhymes with swasey

Are you going to act like you understand football more than Eric Winston or Duane Starks? What makes Sean Spence's opinion more valuable?

Sean Spence actually played for the man.

1. Are you saying we're doing the exact things right now that we were doing when he played for him?

2. Are you saying that Eric Winston or Duane Starks can't trust what they see because they didn't play for a coach?

3. More than that, are you saying that Sean Spence has some unique knowledge of our situation? He's watching games (presumably) and giving an opinion. Look at his quote:
“I don’t know if its misfits or guys missing tackles. I know the tackling system they go through every day in practice and that system shouldn’t create problems like that.”

yes, playing for D'onfrio for a year, being in meetings and being part of his game planning for a year makes Sean's opinion more valuable when forming an opinion on him as a D coordinator. And as the article states, when he did play for him and had 5-6 NFL caliber upperclassmen playing with him(Sean, Rayray, Forston, Olivier, Vandyke, Mcgee), D'onfrio ran a D ranked 17th in scoring.

Its Jim's and Joe's that matter more then X's and O's. This saturday we will be playing the worse team in the ACC and will have a DT starting for us that couldn't break the starting line up for them in 4 years…. That alone says a little something about our current talent level

not saying He gets a pass and the D isn't underperforming, but its more a talent issue right now. Corch Shannon was a genius when he had a D full of pro bowlers and now he's the LB coach for a team losing by 40 points every Saturday….

First of all, Spence said glowing things about every one of his coaches. That's the type of guy he is. All of 'em had problems.

Direct questions: should our defense, with our current talent, have performed better against VTech and Duke? Is our talent at least comparable to some of the teams those two teams have played?

 

[4Canes]

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[bbcane]

Where's Morgan these days? Can we get some quotes from Dan? That dude keeps it 100.

Does spence not?

Nope.

Not like Dan.

Didn't realize a known student of the game, still collecting a nfl check. Don't keep it 100.
I imagine he knows players on the team and he keeps it 100

Spence is still a kid and fresh out of UM. What is he gonna say? "Yeah I played for that guy and his scheme sucks."

Dan has no agenda or bias. He's long gone from UM and he's a grown *** man.

Spence knows players on the team. Why wouldn't call spade a spade. He did to the players he knows.
And dude had got to be at least 22. I don't know about you but I was and acted like a grown man at 22.

 

[Bicho]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

 

[252cane]

We were a 4-3 in 2011 and is now a 3-4 so spence and futch didn't play in this D.

 

[Canes2082]

Truth is we dont have the horses yet.... However they are coming. We have a great defensive class coming in and its something we havent had in a long time.

And most of them won't be able to play for another year or two.

So whats the answer??? Bring in new players or bring in a new coach?

 

[NVA CANE]

Truth is we dont have the horses yet.... However they are coming. We have a great defensive class coming in and its something we havent had in a long time.

And most of them won't be able to play for another year or two.

So whats the answer??? Bring in new players or bring in a new coach?

Golden isn't going anywhere, probably not for two years. Lets see what happens next year. He is bringing in a great class and the team will be all or mostly players he recruited. Since we can't come to a consensus as to what the problem is lets wait and see until next year. There shouldn't be any excuses next year. By year four we should no longer struggle to beat any of the opponents in the coastal. We won't be elite cause like DandyCane mentioned a while ago this really is a 5 year rebuild. But by year four we shouldn't be struggling against the UNCs, Wakes and Dukes of the world.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

exactly

 

[fastcane]

It's not one guy, it's a bunch of average at best players to blame.

farce...but I ain't sippin that kool-aid. What I trust is what i'm seeing, and what i'm seeing is us getting drubbed week after week.

Yeah you're just blaming the wrong guy

here's your chance...who should we blame?

 

[dadecounty25]

Dear God are you clowns really gonna act like you understand football more than Sean spence?

It comes down to toughness, tackling , playing physical. Which coach is at fault there? Hint, his name rhymes with swasey

That's exactly who I was thinking about when I was reading the 40 times. And it also might have to do something with Golden since he wants his players to get big and the Utough program.

The other thing I wanna know is, why aren't recruits committing to play on this Defense? In my opinion and watching football for so long recruits like the attention. You aren't necessarily going to get it on the DLine playing a 3-4. Sometimes I wanna throw the first stone but I'm just a fan and will enjoy watching my team on Saturday play no matter what. Anyway, I'm going ro the VA game this Saturday, I gotta say that watching Morris throw in person and missing his WR, looks worse than on TV.

 

[fastcane]

The D line will still suck, you can't expect freshmen to play like seniors.

Truth is we dont have the horses yet.... However they are coming. We have a great defensive class coming in and its something we havent had in a long time.

And most of them won't be able to play for another year or two.

So whats the answer??? Bring in new players or bring in a new coach?

Golden isn't going anywhere, probably not for two years. Lets see what happens next year. He is bringing in a great class and the team will be all or mostly players he recruited. Since we can't come to a consensus as to what the problem is lets wait and see until next year. There shouldn't be any excuses next year. By year four we should no longer struggle to beat any of the opponents in the coastal. We won't be elite cause like DandyCane mentioned a while ago this really is a 5 year rebuild. But by year four we shouldn't be struggling against the UNCs, Wakes and Dukes of the world.

 

[nystateofmind]

The people in here defending D'Onofrio and Golden are clueless.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

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• @
• Memphis

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• W
• 28-14

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• vs
• Georgia Tech

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• L
• 38-14

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• vs
• Pittsburgh

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• L
• 58-55

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• vs
• Troy

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• W
• 38-31

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]3-2 (0-2)[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]Sat, Oct 12[/TD]
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• vs
• Navy

[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]

• W
• 35-7

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[TD="bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]4-2 (0-2)[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sat, Oct 19[/TD]
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• @
• Virginia

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• W
• 35-22

[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]5-2 (1-2)[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]Sat, Oct 26[/TD]
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• @
• #14 Virginia Tech

[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]

• W
• 13-10

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[TD="bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]6-2 (2-2)[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sat, Nov 9[/TD]
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• vs
• NC State

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• W
• 38-20

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]7-2 (3-2)[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #F1F1F1"]Sat, Nov 16[/TD]
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• vs
• #23 Miami (FL)

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• W
• 48-30

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How many NFL players are on NC Central, Memphis, Georgia Tech, Troy, Navy, UVA, VT, and NC State? All of them held Duke below 48 points.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Are you going to act like you understand football more than Eric Winston or Duane Starks? What makes Sean Spence's opinion more valuable?

Sean Spence actually played for the man.

1. Are you saying we're doing the exact things right now that we were doing when he played for him?

2. Are you saying that Eric Winston or Duane Starks can't trust what they see because they didn't play for a coach?

3. More than that, are you saying that Sean Spence has some unique knowledge of our situation? He's watching games (presumably) and giving an opinion. Look at his quote:
“I don’t know if its misfits or guys missing tackles. I know the tackling system they go through every day in practice and that system shouldn’t create problems like that.”

yes, playing for D'onfrio for a year, being in meetings and being part of his game planning for a year makes Sean's opinion more valuable when forming an opinion on him as a D coordinator. And as the article states, when he did play for him and had 5-6 NFL caliber upperclassmen playing with him(Sean, Rayray, Forston, Olivier, Vandyke, Mcgee), D'onfrio ran a D ranked 17th in scoring.

Its Jim's and Joe's that matter more then X's and O's. This saturday we will be playing the worse team in the ACC and will have a DT starting for us that couldn't break the starting line up for them in 4 years…. That alone says a little something about our current talent level

not saying He gets a pass and the D isn't underperforming, but its more a talent issue right now. Corch Shannon was a genius when he had a D full of pro bowlers and now he's the LB coach for a team losing by 40 points every Saturday….

First of all, Spence said glowing things about every one of his coaches. That's the type of guy he is. They all got fired. I guess they were all badass coaches.

Secondly, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. The defense is underperforming, but it's more of a talent issue? Which is it?

Direct questions: should our defense, with our current talent, have performed better against VTech and Duke? Is our talent at least comparable to some of the teams those two teams have played?

So Spence is such a nice guy that he would be willing to talk bad about D'onfrio but he would be willing to about his ex-teamates?

Yes, it can be both. But think that he can do a good job with the right talent. As a coach you can be a lot more flexible and aggressive with you're approach with the right players. Without players, you're handcuffed.

and to your last question, i think Bicho reiterated my sentiments in a more understandable fashion.

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

 

[bbcane]

The people in here defending D'Onofrio and Golden are clueless.

Yea let's fire golden. Is Jimmie Johnson still available? Maybe saban will come back. Did you donate to fly the banner to?

 

[LuCane]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

exactly

You guys think that out of Chick, Porter, Pierre, AQM, Mccord, Perryman, Kirby, Luther Robinson and Figs...

…only Perryman would play at schools like Wake, Maryland, Duke, Troy, North Carolina Central, Navy, et al?

Would appreciate an answer.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

How many years in a row does D'Onofrio's defense have to give up over 45 points to Duke before people stop listening to bull**** strawman arguments and wake the **** up? 3? 4? 5? When? Trash is trash.

 

[cane33]

Spence knows D'onofrio personally and isn't going to throw him under the bus. Therefore he is biased. He's not going to criticize him in public, what he might say in private is completely different.


Starks and Winston have no bias or personal connection to D'onofrio so their statements hold more weight.

 

[PUNCICANE]

Bicho wonders....out of the guys currently playing in the front 7. Who actually is talented?

Who actually would play at maryland or wake forrest and be more than JAG there?

#52 and thats about it.

maybe Porter? Chickillo? They aren't playing any better than Renfrow and he couldnt crack the rotation for UVA. that says a lot.

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• L
• 38-14

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• vs
• Pittsburgh

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• L
• 58-55

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• vs
• Troy

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• W
• 38-31

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• vs
• Navy

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• W
• 35-7

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• @
• Virginia

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• 35-22

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• @
• #14 Virginia Tech

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• W
• 13-10

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• vs
• NC State

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• W
• 38-20

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]7-2 (3-2)[/TD]
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• vs
• #23 Miami (FL)

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• W
• 48-30

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How many NFL players are on NC Central, Memphis, Georgia Tech, Troy, Navy, UVA, VT, and NC State? All of them held Duke below 48 points.

Boston College vs :

Sat, Sept 14
@
USC
L35-7
2-1 (1-0)

Sat, Sept 28
vs
#8 Florida State
L48-34
2-2 (1-1)

So USC has a much better D then FSU? These arguments are pointless

 

[nystateofmind]

Spence knows D'onofrio personally and isn't going to throw him under the bus. Therefore he is biased. He's not going to criticize him in public, what he might say in private is completely different.


Starks and Winston have no bias or personal connection to D'onofrio so their statements hold more weight.

Bingo.